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Why This Time Is Different For Ron Paul

jat93
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6/15/2011 10:32:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
This originally belonged to another thread, but I wanted to specifically discuss the differences between Paul's 2008 and 2012 campaign and his improved chances, so I started a new thread.

At 6/15/2011 1:42:09 PM, kelly224 wrote:
At 6/14/2011 6:37:22 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/14/2011 6:12:29 PM, Hambone wrote:
Still his to lose at this point, with no real contender

Ron Paul

If he was a viable contender he would have made more waves last time. And if he gets elected will people make him a messiah as they did Obama?

False on many accounts. This time is different and the odds are far more in his favor than they were in 2008, because:

- it was that campaign that started building his by now massive following, which attracts more and more people each day, while going into last primaries he was virtually unknown despite his presence in Washington for almost 3 decades.

- since then he's published tree books I believe, all of them becoming best sellers. Out of all the presidential candidates, Paul leads in book sales by a very wide margin.

- Facebook/youtube and other similar social networks were not as popular and widespread as they are now. The increase in users on these sites has given Paul the biggest grassroots following in all of politics, because people can easily access his messages/videos even if the mainstream media tries to keep him out of the limelight.

- The Tea Party. Ron is unanimously recognized as its "intellectual grandfather" and thus an imperative role in its formation, which of course took place post 2008 election. They have become extremely influential, as evidenced by their recent victory in the Senate elections.

- Lastly, since 2008, more of his past predictions have been proven accurate, and have greatly influenced the Republican party. Everything he warned about the economy was proven true, which makes his argument to "end the fed" and cut spending all the more relevant and appealing. Remember, people literally laughed off his warnings of impending crisis back in 2008. Additionally, his warnings about the deadly impact of perpetual wars and the fact that Obama wouldn't keep his promise to withdraw troops have both been proven true --- and very importantly, his anti-war stance has profoundly influenced the GOP since 2008. Now at debates you hear people echoing the same message that he's been reiterating for decades. The opposite was true in 2008 with almost every other candidate taking a pro-war, pro-interventionist, pro-imperialistic stance.

And people are starting to realize that he's been so influential as of late. People are waking up. His simple message of liberty for all is resonating with the people, who, as a whole, are becoming increasingly disillusioned with Obama's epic failure of a first term marked by constant lies, failed promises, and an overall lack of progress.

There is hope. At least more so than there was 4 years ago.
GeoLaureate8
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6/15/2011 11:03:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
"Here is a summary of what Ron Paul has going for him to win the GOP nomination in 2012:

1) Rand Paul is polling at 44% and is up by 21% in his primary for US Senate in Kentucky. Rand has outfundraised the anointed GOP choice (Trey Grayson) by a 3 to 2 ratio over the past 6 months; $1.8 million to $ 1.2 million. Rand out-polls the likely democrat in the general election by about 15%.

If Rand can win, Ron Paul can win.

2) CPAC Straw Poll; Ron Paul won with 31%, Romney was second with 22%, Palin third at 7%, then Pawlenty at 6%, Mike Pence (congressman from Indiana) 5%, Huckabee 4%. Last year in 2009, Paul had finished tied for third with Palin, while Romney won it ( I can't remember who got 2nd).

When Ron Paul wins nationally promoted straw polls, it creates the perception he can win.

3) Ron Paul just won his House seat primary by a whopping 70%. He won 81% to 11%. Ron Paul will grab more headlines when he wins the general election in November.

This creates the perception Ron can win. The greatest enemy to Ron is the mass media created perception that he can't win.

4) Ron Paul has often been described as irrelevant because he has never sponsored major legislation into law, nor has he ever even gained national media for his legislation. That has now changed. Ron Paul's Audit the Fed bill has passed the House with 317 sponsors, and is in the Senate with over 30 sponsors. This legislation is not going away. It will keep Ron Paul in the news during all of this year and 2011 for his legislative work. Rand Paul in the Senate also makes a big difference here.

5) The Tea Party movement backs Ron Paul. The only other leading GOP contender who has any tea party appeal is Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is a phony and is not fooling anyone.

6) Every four years, we get an age shift in voters. New young voters tend to back Ron Paul, while old voters who have died since 2008 do not support Ron Paul. A four year shift is about 7% of the electorate.

7) Newspapers are against Ron Paul; they are going out of business or their circulation is declining. The Internet supports Ron Paul and it is on the rise.

8) Paul's leading contenders are Sarah Palin, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee (if he runs).

All these candidates have weaknesses.

Huckabee has a cushy TV job, and doesn't seem ambitious enough to run.

Palin is widely viewed as unqualified to be president and has less money than Ron Paul.

Romney is a strong candidate, but he is a Mormon which hurts him among Christian conservatives. He was also a pro-abortion liberal governor of Massachusetts who now says he is a pro-life conservative. In other words, he's a phony. He does not anywhere near the organization of Ron Paul.

Pawlenty is the NWO choice for president. But he has low name recognition and is boring. He's also a liberal republican Governor from Minnesota with little appeal for conservatives. He is counting on the NWO media to help him.

9) The Economy; the weak economy plays into Ron Paul's hands to some extent.

10) End the Fed - Ron Paul's book gives him another outlet for his message. Unlike Mitt Romney's book, which is stone cold boring, people actually read Ron Paul's books.

11) Ron Paul is good for TV ratings and is getting a lot of national TV interviews on cable news like Fox, CNN, MSNBC and CNBC. Rand Paul is also getting a lot of national TV interviews.

12) Voters are getting used to Ron Paul's "odd" ideas.

13) Ron Paul is 74, but has the health and spunk of a 60 year old; he's not too old to run for president and serve one term in office.

14) Fund-raising - In the 4th quarter of 2007, Ron Paul was the # 1 GOP fundraiser. This was when he was below 10% in the polls. He will raise a lot more if he is at 15%-30% in the polls. Ron Paul could end up with more money to spend than Mitt Romney.

15) The NWO sets the pecking order when they start to do polls in early 2011. In 2007, Ron Paul was at 1% in these polls. Ron Paul will be at a minimum of 15% in the early 2011 polls, putting him among the viable contenders from the beginning.

16) The Wars in the Middle East - People are getting sick of these wars, and Ron Paul opposes them. Democrats who found out Obama was a phony might support Ron Paul.

17) 2012 is the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, and will gain national attention. Interesting that the president during the War of 1812 was none other than James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution.

James Madison is the ONLY president to follow the Constitution during a major war. Despite an invasion from the British Empire that included the burning of Buffalo and Washington, a siege upon Baltimore, and attack on New Orleans, the capture of Detroit, an Atlantic ocean naval blockade, and a secession movement in Hartford, Connecticut, James Madison never claimed special war powers, arrested dissidents, issued war propaganda, had a draft, or suspended habeas corpus, despite going up against the worlds greatest power with no income tax, no central bank, and not much of an army of navy. And we won it, gaining free trade for all American on the Great Lakes, Atlantic ocean, Mississippi river, West Indies, and Mediterranean Sea.

Word of what James Madison did in the War of 1812 might leak out to the people in 2011 and 2012.

18) A lot of people are getting sick of the war on drugs. Neither Bush or Obama will even consider legalizing medical marijuana, an issue which polls at 80% in favor of.

19) Ron Paul is the only candidate who can talk intelligently about the U.S. Constitution.

20) People are sick of the health care bill, and Ron Paul has credibility in opposing it. Ron Paul is also a medical doctor.

21) The Campaign For Liberty, Ron Paul's PAC, is raising lots of cash and forging many ties with key GOP leaders at the state level.

22) Rand Paul got the endorsements of the Ronald Reagan PAC, Sarah Palin, Steve Forbes, and the Gun Owners of America. Expect to see Ron Paul get some major endorsements, if Rand Paul can.

23) Ron Paul voted against all the bank bailouts.

24) Ron Paul has an army of volunteers that will hit every straw poll, from CPAC to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, to the county GOP straw poll at the annual meeting of John Doe County in all 50 States. He is going to win almost all of them.

25) Ron Paul has enough support to win the Ames Iowa STraw Poll in the summer of 2011. He got 1300 votes in 2007, and needs only about 5000 to win."

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6/15/2011 11:05:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/15/2011 10:34:51 PM, jat93 wrote:
Sorry, I said he has published tree books since 2008, I meant three.

Dude... I seriously thought Ron Paul was some serious logger-type when I read that. No idea it was a typo!
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6/15/2011 11:16:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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6/15/2011 11:19:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
OK not to be the party-pooper or anything, but this is exactly what happened last year - zealous Paul supporters kept talking him up and talking him up amongst themselves and created quite a stir where-ever they went. I contacted a local Paul group here in GB in 2008, although never ended up hooking up with them... I remember at one point they had the cops eject them from an overpass because they were gathering with signs. They camera-phoned the cop and kept being cocky to him to try and get something to show some sign of oppressive behavior (but the cop was very professional, much to their dismay). At any rate, Paul supporters were over-confident last time because they don't realize how many other people there are out there who have no intention to vote for him. We'll need to get OUT the vote instead of beating the dead horse within our own circles this time.

Now I will admit, I am seeing a difference this time and despite the CNN bullsh*t poll which gave him 0%, I am actually hearing talk-radio types warming up to him that weren't before. But I'm not sure if it's just that they are trying their damnedest to make everyone (Republican) look squeaky clean, as opposed to actually believing what he's saying. You find me a conservative who is hunky-dory about ending the WoD, after all, or pulling out of our "commitment" to the war on terror.
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6/16/2011 12:21:29 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
If Rand can win, Ron Paul can win.
Rand wasn't running for national election.
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6/16/2011 5:15:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
There was an Indian origin fellow, Bobby or something - who was being considered as GOP vice president candidate, before they went for Palin... What happened to him. Is he still around?
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