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The State Really is Our Foe

Reasoning
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6/16/2011 12:42:17 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
"[O]f the really serious and important acts of invasion of individual sovereignty, at least nine-tenths are committed by organized State governments or through privileges granted by them, and that the governmental idea, with the State as its principal embodiment, is the efficient cause of almost all of our social evils." - Benjamin Tucker
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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6/20/2011 10:42:07 PM
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At 6/16/2011 12:42:17 AM, Reasoning wrote:
"[O]f the really serious and important acts of invasion of individual sovereignty, at least nine-tenths are committed by organized State governments or through privileges granted by them, and that the governmental idea, with the State as its principal embodiment, is the efficient cause of almost all of our social evils." - Benjamin Tucker

And so many voters see this as protection. Unbelievable!
askbob
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6/20/2011 10:50:37 PM
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oil subsidies - artificially increasing the consumption of gas which completely negates green energy subsidies.

agricultural subsidies - responsible for most of the worlds global warming via methane gas via cow farts, responsible for pollution, obesity (lower corn prices -->lower high fructose corn syrup prices ---> lower soda/fastfood/candy/etc prices) responsible for high price of vegetables and healthy foods

ethanol subsidies - (---benefit and more demand for growing corn = farmers growing less veges for more corn space thus supply of veges is smaller creating higher prices)

green energy subsidies - paying for factories to be built that will need constant taxpayer money to be profitable.

foreign aid (aka money for Pakistan) subsidies - paying for al qaeda salaries with taxpayer money reminiscent of Attila the Hun tributes during the fall of the byzantine empire.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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6/21/2011 3:26:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
It's not because there is a state that violence happens, it's because violence happens that there is a state. Remove the state and poof-- next state in line. That state might have different targets for its violence-- more, less, it might even limit itself to retaliatory force if you planned this stuff out or got incredibly lucky, but there will be a state (or perhaps two or three, and those might war on even grounds for a while). The state in the abstract is not protection, though a particular state might be if the next state in line is worse.

In any case, there is no "our."
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BenYadangsi
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6/21/2011 5:30:40 AM
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At 6/16/2011 12:42:17 AM, Reasoning wrote:
"[O]f the really serious and important acts of invasion of individual sovereignty, at least nine-tenths are committed by organized State governments or through privileges granted by them, and that the governmental idea, with the State as its principal embodiment, is the efficient cause of almost all of our social evils." - Benjamin Tucker

Well, what about the workplace? It invades individual sovereignty at an even greater degree than the government.
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6/21/2011 5:39:01 AM
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At 6/21/2011 5:30:40 AM, BenYadangsi wrote:
At 6/16/2011 12:42:17 AM, Reasoning wrote:
"[O]f the really serious and important acts of invasion of individual sovereignty, at least nine-tenths are committed by organized State governments or through privileges granted by them, and that the governmental idea, with the State as its principal embodiment, is the efficient cause of almost all of our social evils." - Benjamin Tucker

Well, what about the workplace? It invades individual sovereignty at an even greater degree than the government.

You have the right to withdraw your labour. With states there is no such luck.
Reasoning
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6/21/2011 10:00:53 AM
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At 6/21/2011 5:30:40 AM, BenYadangsi wrote:
Well, what about the workplace? It invades individual sovereignty at an even greater degree than the government.

The workplace, as we know it, is a product of government privilege.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran