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Man-is-good
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6/26/2011 8:45:51 PM
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I would like to ask if anyone would like to rank the worst presidents in American history (top ten is preferable, but you could do more).

Please provide reasons to why you think so.
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6/26/2011 8:56:55 PM
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Let's see...
There's FDR, for saving the Great Depression from just being a recession.
There's Lincoln, for declaring an aggressive war against independence.
There's Nixon, for Watergate.
There's John Adams, for directing the government towards tyranny and passing the Alien and Sedition Acts.
There's more that I won't bother to describe.
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6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM
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Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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6/26/2011 9:04:04 PM
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I suppose I largely agree with mongeese.
FDR was terrible for his prologing of the great depression.
Before him however we have to look at Woodrow Wilson for his bad economic decisions.
Lincoln for suspending habeus corpus.
John Adams for primarily the alien and sedition acts.
Herbert Hoover for the same reasons as FDR and Wilson.
I have said I would reserve it until after his term was up but Obama is well in his way to establishing himself on this list.
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6/26/2011 9:09:38 PM
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Presidents who are not sufficiently hated:

Jefferson, for betraying his principles systematically upon being elected.
Jackson, for being a genocidal, warmongering maniac
Kennedy, for risking nuclear war with the USSR to pursue hegemony
Washington, for using the army against citizens for resisting unfair taxation (lol at hypocrisy)

Honorable mention to Hamilton, who thankfully never became president, for supporting centralization and the interests of the wealthy over everyone else.
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6/26/2011 9:12:22 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:09:38 PM, Grape wrote:
Jackson, for being a genocidal, warmongering maniac
Forgot about that--replace Hoover on my list with Jackson.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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6/26/2011 9:17:12 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

So essentially every president who was in charge when the U.S. was engaged in an armed conflict?
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6/26/2011 9:23:24 PM
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FDR- Great Depression
Lincon- Was a tyrrant
Bill Clinton- He was a marxist.
Richard Nixon- Water Gate
Bush- Declared war a war against a country that did nothing to us. and caused a ression.
Obama- Pushed socialist health care.
James Buchanan- In his inaugural speech, Buchanan stated that the slavery issue was of "little practical importance
Millard Fillmore- signed the fugative slave act.
Hoover- created the FBI
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6/26/2011 9:26:17 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:17:12 PM, quarterexchange wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

So essentially every president who was in charge when the U.S. was engaged in an armed conflict?

Essentially. Also, you say 'was in charge' as if they had nothing to do with starting/perpetuating those conflicts.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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6/26/2011 9:31:09 PM
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Jimmy Carter should be somewhere on there too, for arming anti-communist rebels in Afghanistan (before the Soviet invasion), even though he was warned that doing so would likely cause the Soviets to invade to aid the communist government there.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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6/26/2011 9:36:43 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:26:17 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:17:12 PM, quarterexchange wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

So essentially every president who was in charge when the U.S. was engaged in an armed conflict?

Essentially. Also, you say 'was in charge' as if they had nothing to do with starting/perpetuating those conflicts.

I'm not saying that either. I'm just not ready to call Harry Truman one of the worst presidents in American history for saving South Korea or Woodrow Wilson one of the worst presidents for declaring war with Germany after it was uncovered that Germany was attempting to instigate a war between Mexico and the U.S. during WW1.

Also what do you expect FDR to have done about WW2?
Even if you were to make the case that WW2 was wrong for the U.S. enter, do you think that FDR could have stopped the U.S. from going to war after the attacks?
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6/26/2011 9:38:58 PM
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At 6/26/2011 8:56:55 PM, mongeese wrote:
Let's see...
There's FDR, for saving the Great Depression from just being a recession.
What? You wanted the Great Depression from becoming more than "just...a recession"?
There's Lincoln, for declaring an aggressive war against independence.
Well, I assume you are supportive of the Confederacy's cause...Is that correct?
There's Nixon, for Watergate.
Agree.
There's John Adams, for directing the government towards tyranny and passing the Alien and Sedition Acts.
There's more that I won't bother to describe.

After all, you could post more than just ten if you want.
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6/26/2011 9:41:42 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.

What's wrong with Obama's presidency [not that I don't know of, but I would like a detailed reason why "he could certainly make the top ten". Are his mistakes and policies that bad to warrant a position in the top ten?]
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6/26/2011 9:42:27 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.

There is plenty of fault with Nixon but how can you blame the Vetnam war on him, that was Kennedy and Johnson. Nixon got us out, albeit after a few years in office. Add Truman for dropping the bomb and Carter for being an all around failure to my list.
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6/26/2011 9:44:11 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:42:27 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.

There is plenty of fault with Nixon but how can you blame the Vetnam war on him, that was Kennedy and Johnson. Nixon got us out, albeit after a few years in office. Add Truman for dropping the bomb and Carter for being an all around failure to my list.

That's why. It's his fault for escalating bombings and not just getting out as quickly as he could.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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6/26/2011 9:44:56 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:41:42 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.

What's wrong with Obama's presidency [not that I don't know of, but I would like a detailed reason why "he could certainly make the top ten". Are his mistakes and policies that bad to warrant a position in the top ten?]

Escalation in Afghanistan, escalation of drone bombings, Libyan war, and his economic policies. But he's not done yet, so I don't know.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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6/26/2011 9:46:04 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:41:42 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:
...

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.

What's wrong with Obama's presidency [not that I don't know of, but I would like a detailed reason why "he could certainly make the top ten". Are his mistakes and policies that bad to warrant a position in the top ten?]
Let's see, he got us further into debt than Bush did in his 8 years, he has gotten us into another undeclared war. He has forced unconstitutional socialized healthcare down America's throat. I could go on, basically he has the bad qualities of Carter and FDR combined.
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6/26/2011 9:46:57 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:42:27 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.

There is plenty of fault with Nixon but how can you blame the Vietnam war on him, that was Kennedy and Johnson. Nixon got us out, albeit after a few years in office. Add Truman for dropping the bomb and Carter for being an all around failure to my list.

Well, I don't know about Truman: his decision to drop the bomb over Hiroshima and Nagasaki did cost lives [and left an entire generation of those affected by the radioactive poisoning], but he did end World War II. In fact, he was confronted with a "year of decisions", one of which included, I believe, how to confront the growing presence of Communism.

And about Carter, I guess the fact that the increases in debt and inflation, coupled with that of unemployment, and so on, could make him a failure. Thankfully, he was succeeded by the "Great Communicator". Anyone disagree?
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6/26/2011 9:47:28 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:46:04 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:41:42 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:
...

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.

What's wrong with Obama's presidency [not that I don't know of, but I would like a detailed reason why "he could certainly make the top ten". Are his mistakes and policies that bad to warrant a position in the top ten?]
Let's see, he got us further into debt than Bush did in his 8 years, he has gotten us into another undeclared war. He has forced unconstitutional socialized healthcare down America's throat. I could go on, basically he has the bad qualities of Carter and FDR combined.

That, and the really superficial speeches he give.
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6/26/2011 9:48:36 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:46:04 PM, BennyW wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:41:42 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:
...

Obama's not done yet, but he could certainly make the top 10.

What's wrong with Obama's presidency [not that I don't know of, but I would like a detailed reason why "he could certainly make the top ten". Are his mistakes and policies that bad to warrant a position in the top ten?]
Let's see, he got us further into debt than Bush did in his 8 years, he has gotten us into another undeclared war. He has forced unconstitutional socialized healthcare down America's throat. I could go on, basically he has the bad qualities of Carter and FDR combined.

And what are those qualities?
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6/26/2011 9:58:09 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:36:43 PM, quarterexchange wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:26:17 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:17:12 PM, quarterexchange wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:02:13 PM, LaissezFaire wrote:
Ten worst?

In chronological order:

Abraham Lincoln- Civil War
William McKinley- Spanish American War
Woodrow Wilson- World War I
Herbert Hoover- Creating the Great Depression
FDR- Prolonging the Great Depression, WWII
Harry Truman- WWII, Korean War
Lyndon Johnson- 'Great Society', Vietnam
Richard Nixon- Vietnam, drug war
George Bush Sr.- Persian Gulf War, Iraqi sanctions
George Bush Jr.- Afghanistan, Iraq

So essentially every president who was in charge when the U.S. was engaged in an armed conflict?

Essentially. Also, you say 'was in charge' as if they had nothing to do with starting/perpetuating those conflicts.

I'm not saying that either. I'm just not ready to call Harry Truman one of the worst presidents in American history for saving South Korea
For saying, "we will protect all these countries from communist invasion" and deliberately leaving S. Korea off that list to provoke a North Korean attack. And getting the Russians involved in the war with Japan (that might have been FDR though, not sure), which created a communist N. Korea in the first place.
or Woodrow Wilson one of the worst presidents for declaring war with Germany after it was uncovered that Germany was attempting to instigate a war between Mexico and the U.S. during WW1.
Which they did in response to Wilson giving military aid to Germany's enemies in a war that had nothing to do with the US.
Also what do you expect FDR to have done about WW2?
Even if you were to make the case that WW2 was wrong for the U.S. enter, do you think that FDR could have stopped the U.S. from going to war after the attacks?
He could have not deliberately provoked the attacks in the first place.
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: At 6/22/2011 6:57:23 PM, el-badgero wrote:
: i didn't like [Obama]. he was the only black dude in moneygall yet he claimed to be home. obvious liar is obvious liar. i bet him and bin laden are bumfvcking right now.
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6/26/2011 10:05:03 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:38:58 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 8:56:55 PM, mongeese wrote:
Let's see...
There's FDR, for saving the Great Depression from just being a recession.
What? You wanted the Great Depression from becoming more than "just...a recession"?

That's not a even a sentence. The point is, the Great Depression didn't have to be so bad, but FDR decided to mess everything up. Those public works projects he set up? He put up a large portion in swing states just to guarantee reelection.

There's Lincoln, for declaring an aggressive war against independence.
Well, I assume you are supportive of the Confederacy's cause...Is that correct?

Independence? Heck yes.
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6/26/2011 10:05:30 PM
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At 6/26/2011 9:09:38 PM, Grape wrote:
Presidents who are not sufficiently hated:

Jefferson, for betraying his principles systematically upon being elected.

Elaborate?
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6/26/2011 10:08:05 PM
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At 6/26/2011 10:05:03 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:38:58 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 8:56:55 PM, mongeese wrote:
Let's see...
There's FDR, for saving the Great Depression from just being a recession.
What? You wanted the Great Depression from becoming more than "just...a recession"?

That's not a even a sentence. The point is, the Great Depression didn't have to be so bad, but FDR decided to mess everything up. Those public works projects he set up? He put up a large portion in swing states just to guarantee reelection.

Perhaps, you would like to have: "I don't understand how you could say that FDR, who saved the "Great Depression from...being a recession", is one of the worst presidents." I hope that's a sentence.


There's Lincoln, for declaring an aggressive war against independence.
Well, I assume you are supportive of the Confederacy's cause...Is that correct?

Independence? Heck yes.
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6/26/2011 10:10:58 PM
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At 6/26/2011 10:08:05 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 10:05:03 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:38:58 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 8:56:55 PM, mongeese wrote:
Let's see...
There's FDR, for saving the Great Depression from just being a recession.
What? You wanted the Great Depression from becoming more than "just...a recession"?

That's not a even a sentence. The point is, the Great Depression didn't have to be so bad, but FDR decided to mess everything up. Those public works projects he set up? He put up a large portion in swing states just to guarantee reelection.

Perhaps, you would like to have: "I don't understand how you could say that FDR, who saved the "Great Depression from...being a recession", is one of the worst presidents." I hope that's a sentence.

He saved the Great Depression from being a recession, as in, he made the Great Depression turn out to be as bad as it was.
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6/26/2011 10:19:00 PM
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At 6/26/2011 10:10:58 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/26/2011 10:08:05 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 10:05:03 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:38:58 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 8:56:55 PM, mongeese wrote:
Let's see...
There's FDR, for saving the Great Depression from just being a recession.
What? You wanted the Great Depression from becoming more than "just...a recession"?

That's not a even a sentence. The point is, the Great Depression didn't have to be so bad, but FDR decided to mess everything up. Those public works projects he set up? He put up a large portion in swing states just to guarantee reelection.

Perhaps, you would like to have: "I don't understand how you could say that FDR, who saved the "Great Depression from...being a recession", is one of the worst presidents." I hope that's a sentence.

He saved the Great Depression from being a recession, as in, he made the Great Depression turn out to be as bad as it was.

Oh, I see. A little unclear for me, but please answer my question: is that a sentence above?
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6/26/2011 10:47:53 PM
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For saying, "we will protect all these countries from communist invasion" and deliberately leaving S. Korea off that list to provoke a North Korean attack.

For what reason?

Also the North Koreans didn't excactly back off when it became apparant that the U.S. was willing to protect South Korea.

And getting the Russians involved in the war with Japan (that might have been FDR though, not sure)

How?

Which they did in response to Wilson giving military aid to Germany's enemies in a war that had nothing to do with the US.

We were aiding valuable allies who were defending themselves from Germany.

He could have not deliberately provoked the attacks in the first place.

You mean by cutting off the oil supply to Japan after they invaded China and slaughtered millions of Chinese?
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6/26/2011 11:10:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/26/2011 10:19:00 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 10:10:58 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/26/2011 10:08:05 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 10:05:03 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:38:58 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 8:56:55 PM, mongeese wrote:
Let's see...
There's FDR, for saving the Great Depression from just being a recession.
What? You wanted the Great Depression from becoming more than "just...a recession"?

That's not a even a sentence. The point is, the Great Depression didn't have to be so bad, but FDR decided to mess everything up. Those public works projects he set up? He put up a large portion in swing states just to guarantee reelection.

Perhaps, you would like to have: "I don't understand how you could say that FDR, who saved the "Great Depression from...being a recession", is one of the worst presidents." I hope that's a sentence.

He saved the Great Depression from being a recession, as in, he made the Great Depression turn out to be as bad as it was.

Oh, I see. A little unclear for me, but please answer my question: is that a sentence above?

I believe so.
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6/26/2011 11:12:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 6/26/2011 10:05:03 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/26/2011 9:38:58 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 6/26/2011 8:56:55 PM, mongeese wrote:
Let's see...
There's FDR, for saving the Great Depression from just being a recession.
What? You wanted the Great Depression from becoming more than "just...a recession"?

That's not a even a sentence. The point is, the Great Depression didn't have to be so bad, but FDR decided to mess everything up. Those public works projects he set up? He put up a large portion in swing states just to guarantee reelection.

Plus he completely destroyed the Constitution. He turned it into just a piece of paper that doesn't mean anything.

Not to mention his social security plan will bankrupt our nation today.
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