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8/20/2011 11:45:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Let us begin with the fact that in nearly every history book in the world, Adolf Hitler and the 3rd Reich are listed as pure evil, or perhaps the worst in history whenever it comes into terms of the ideology that was practiced and the so termed tragic "death toll". I question these so called "facts" that these history books claim to represent. In today's politically correct world, we are taught to believe that anyone who embraces racism and/or any racial ideology should be harassed, squelched and immediately exiled from modern society and prevent him from getting a platform to preach his opinions. Just look at what happened to some politicians such as Ron Paul and David Duke. While Ron Paul may not seemingly embrace some racial views that David Duke has, he is none the less squelched by the liberal society that we live in and is an unfortunate victim of this practice.

But, not to get carried away with political correctness so much, I want to show you folks some interesting facts that today's modern day "history" books have missed. Now history has traditionally shown Adolf Hitler to be the so called worst person that has ever lived. And some even go further to say that the 3rd Reich, under his rule committed more atrocities than any other regime that has ever existed. I question this "fact". If one were to compare the atrocities that Hitler committed and compared them to other leaders (2 other leaders especially) you will find that Hitler wasn't actually that bad of a person. Granted he was still pretty bad from most of your perspectives due to the toll of political correctness, but anyways, this is just a comparison.

People label the Holocaust as the worst genocide that was ever perpetuated by man. I question this "fact" as well. To charleslb and all the other communists out there that bash fascism, what about the "Holodomor" atrocity perpetuated by Joseph Stalin on the country Ukraine during the years, 1932 to 1933? That genocide supposedly killed up to 12 million innocent Ukrainians, and caused unborn or unrecorded births that are said to be as high as 6 million. That total would equal 18 million people. Why do the history books not take this information into consideration? However, I do acknowledge that some do, but people aren't taught the tragedy anywhere near to the percentage of people that are taught about the Holocaust. Why? Political correctness. People (Particularly Zionists) wanted to remember the genocide that had racially and/or ethnically profiled people into devastation instead of the other genocide because it wasn't according to racial and/or ethnic purposes.

Joseph Stalin also had implemented other mass killings other than the Holodomor. Notable mentions are: approximately 800,000 prisoners under Stalin for either political or criminal offenses, around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulags and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement. That accounts for a total of 3 million official deaths according to these categories. If you include deaths for Stalin's Great Purge, the total death tolls attributed to Stalin and/or his regime are 20 to 30 Million. Compare 20-30 million to 6 million by Hitler and the Nazis.

Next up is Mao Zedong. The Chinese reformer who is one of the primary reasons China is a communist country to this day. He tried programs called the Cultural Revolution and The Great Leap Forward that have more deaths than Stalin or Hitler combined. The deaths attributed to those programs are approx. 40 to 70 million people. But this is not including the number of people that suffered during Mao Zedong's rule. All in all if you include the people that suffered and died under Mao's regime it is a little over 100 million (Natural deaths not included).

So if communist governments have a documented record of killing more people, then why is fascist governments getting all the blame? The answer my friends is political correctness. If you look at it from a certain perspective, liberals advocate social programs. Social programs lead to a socialist society. Socialism if not controlled can lead to communism. So, if you look at it from a certain perspective, liberals may be behind this motive of displaying history books with political correctness to increase their chances of a socialist takeover of America. They also try to display fascism as a pre-dominantly right-wing ideology which it isn't.

So if you compare the worst communist governments and then compare them to the "worst" fascist governments, it would be Mao Zedong's China & Joseph Stalin's Russia vs. Adolf Hitler's Germany. Adolf Hitler can be attributed to a maximum of 50 million deaths if you consider Hitler responsible for all the deaths in the European Theatre of WWII. If not, then he can be fairly accountable for 6-8 million deaths (The Holocaust). Mao Zedong can be held at a minimum of 40-70 million deaths, and can be held at a maximum of 100 million deaths. Joseph Stalin is at a maximum of 30 million deaths and 15-20 million deaths at the lowest.

So, if one were to make to say that communist governments have a better humanitarian record than fascist governments, think again. Communists governments (Especially the Soviet Union and China) worldwide and throughout history are probably held accountable for well over 200 million deaths. Compared to fascist governments such as Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy under Benito Mussolini, the number only reaches about a low of 6 million to perhaps a high of 50 million. There is a huge difference. Consider the fact that Joseph Stalin's death rate and Mao Zedong were only during peacetime. Think about the deaths that they would be responsible for if Hitler or his 3rd Reich never existed? Stalin certainly would have invaded Europe (He did invade some countries such as Poland and Finland) if he had the chance and there is some research that Stalin said that he "wanted to rule the world".

I think that Fascism could work much better than Communism could be operated. Everyone just thinks that Fascism is an evil political ideology because of Adolf Hitler. The fact is, if you look at Il Duce's Italy, it wasn't that bad. Also, as I have showed above, communist governments have worse records for genocide than fascist governments do. Fascism can easily work much better and has historically had more beneficial and successful leaders than communism. This brings me on to talk about my other point. If one were to compare Hitler's accomplishments to Stalin's Or Mao Zedong's, Hitler would come out on top. Here are several reasons to state why.

For starters, we can put aside all the bad things that all 3 of the leaders did and only focus on the positive notions that they advocated for. Adolf Hitler was able to revive the German economy and bring post World War I Germany back on its heels. He did that without causing any casualties. If anyone doubts this, one can easily type the words "The Holocaust" into wikipedia and notice that the Holocaust only considers the murders of Jews during the years of World War II (1939-1945). So that aside, from the years 1933-1939 Adolf Hitler was able to reconstruct and revive the Germany without any mass number of casualties as opposed to Joseph Stalin and China. Also, Adolf Hitler was able to peacefully acquire more land before World War II started.

I shall summarize this with a conclusion that shall be presented below.
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8/20/2011 11:46:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Conclusion:

Fascism for all of its evils is wrongly stated by the history books as being the most "evil", or the most disturbing political ideology. Communist governments worldwide throughout history have killed much more people than any fascist governments have. Even whenever the fascists existed in the same time period that the communists such as Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin existed, they managed to kill more people. Political correctness on fascism is an attempt by the socialist liberals to completely eradicate all the good notions thought up by fascism, and try to slowly promote communism by using political correctness. The "history" books need to be re-written for our future children so that there isn't any perspective bias in there and any political correctness that is currently in there should be excluded. The history books should then actually represent true history by showing fascism in a bit more light and showing communism as the greater of the two evils.
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8/20/2011 11:47:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Hear, hear, my good sir! History is an objective study--it is on the student to judge, not the teacher.

I can't really think of any other way to summarize my feelings about that besides that sentence.
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8/20/2011 11:49:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/20/2011 11:47:05 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Hear, hear, my good sir! History is an objective study--it is on the student to judge, not the teacher.

I can't really think of any other way to summarize my feelings about that besides that sentence.

You have got to be kidding me. Can't you make some reference to the topic at hand?
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8/20/2011 11:53:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/20/2011 11:49:48 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/20/2011 11:47:05 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Hear, hear, my good sir! History is an objective study--it is on the student to judge, not the teacher.

I can't really think of any other way to summarize my feelings about that besides that sentence.

You have got to be kidding me. Can't you make some reference to the topic at hand?

What? You mean how I find the nature of history-writing itself disturbing? That it's always the winners who get to declare the morality of the losers? That history is a remarkably easy way of gaining a disturbing amount of control?

I don't know what you mean by reference to the topic--I assume that what I've stated above is referencing the topic at hand--not SPECIFICALLY, but in a much broader sense.
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8/20/2011 11:56:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/20/2011 11:53:53 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 8/20/2011 11:49:48 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/20/2011 11:47:05 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Hear, hear, my good sir! History is an objective study--it is on the student to judge, not the teacher.

I can't really think of any other way to summarize my feelings about that besides that sentence.

You have got to be kidding me. Can't you make some reference to the topic at hand?

What? You mean how I find the nature of history-writing itself disturbing? That it's always the winners who get to declare the morality of the losers? That history is a remarkably easy way of gaining a disturbing amount of control?
No, it was your statement. It was nearly the exact same thing that you said before in my other thread on the "Society" page. I know that you warned me that you were going to say it, but still, you couldn't have mixed it up a little?

I don't know what you mean by reference to the topic--I assume that what I've stated above is referencing the topic at hand--not SPECIFICALLY, but in a much broader sense.

Well, I was hoping for a much more specific response, but alright. I have to get some sleep and will check this thread back in the morning.
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8/20/2011 11:58:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/20/2011 11:45:46 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
Let us begin with the fact that in nearly every history book in the world, Adolf Hitler and the 3rd Reich are listed as pure evil, or perhaps the worst in history whenever it comes into terms of the ideology that was practiced and the so termed tragic "death toll". I question these so called "facts" that these history books claim to represent. In today's politically correct world, we are taught to believe that anyone who embraces racism and/or any racial ideology should be harassed, squelched and immediately exiled from modern society and prevent him from getting a platform to preach his opinions. Just look at what happened to some politicians such as Ron Paul and David Duke. While Ron Paul may not seemingly embrace some racial views that David Duke has, he is none the less squelched by the liberal society that we live in and is an unfortunate victim of this practice.

But, not to get carried away with political correctness so much, I want to show you folks some interesting facts that today's modern day "history" books have missed. Now history has traditionally shown Adolf Hitler to be the so called worst person that has ever lived. And some even go further to say that the 3rd Reich, under his rule committed more atrocities than any other regime that has ever existed. I question this "fact". If one were to compare the atrocities that Hitler committed and compared them to other leaders (2 other leaders especially) you will find that Hitler wasn't actually that bad of a person. Granted he was still pretty bad from most of your perspectives due to the toll of political correctness, but anyways, this is just a comparison.

People label the Holocaust as the worst genocide that was ever perpetuated by man. I question this "fact" as well. To charleslb and all the other communists out there that bash fascism, what about the "Holodomor" atrocity perpetuated by Joseph Stalin on the country Ukraine during the years, 1932 to 1933? That genocide supposedly killed up to 12 million innocent Ukrainians, and caused unborn or unrecorded births that are said to be as high as 6 million. That total would equal 18 million people. Why do the history books not take this information into consideration? However, I do acknowledge that some do, but people aren't taught the tragedy anywhere near to the percentage of people that are taught about the Holocaust. Why? Political correctness. People (Particularly Zionists) wanted to remember the genocide that had racially and/or ethnically profiled people into devastation instead of the other genocide because it wasn't according to racial and/or ethnic purposes.

Joseph Stalin also had implemented other mass killings other than the Holodomor. Notable mentions are: approximately 800,000 prisoners under Stalin for either political or criminal offenses, around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulags and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement. That accounts for a total of 3 million official deaths according to these categories. If you include deaths for Stalin's Great Purge, the total death tolls attributed to Stalin and/or his regime are 20 to 30 Million. Compare 20-30 million to 6 million by Hitler and the Nazis.

Next up is Mao Zedong. The Chinese reformer who is one of the primary reasons China is a communist country to this day. He tried programs called the Cultural Revolution and The Great Leap Forward that have more deaths than Stalin or Hitler combined. The deaths attributed to those programs are approx. 40 to 70 million people. But this is not including the number of people that suffered during Mao Zedong's rule. All in all if you include the people that suffered and died under Mao's regime it is a little over 100 million (Natural deaths not included).

So if communist governments have a documented record of killing more people, then why is fascist governments getting all the blame? The answer my friends is political correctness. If you look at it from a certain perspective, liberals advocate social programs. Social programs lead to a socialist society. Socialism if not controlled can lead to communism. So, if you look at it from a certain perspective, liberals may be behind this motive of displaying history books with political correctness to increase their chances of a socialist takeover of America. They also try to display fascism as a pre-dominantly right-wing ideology which it isn't.

So if you compare the worst communist governments and then compare them to the "worst" fascist governments, it would be Mao Zedong's China & Joseph Stalin's Russia vs. Adolf Hitler's Germany. Adolf Hitler can be attributed to a maximum of 50 million deaths if you consider Hitler responsible for all the deaths in the European Theatre of WWII. If not, then he can be fairly accountable for 6-8 million deaths (The Holocaust). Mao Zedong can be held at a minimum of 40-70 million deaths, and can be held at a maximum of 100 million deaths. Joseph Stalin is at a maximum of 30 million deaths and 15-20 million deaths at the lowest.

So, if one were to make to say that communist governments have a better humanitarian record than fascist governments, think again. Communists governments (Especially the Soviet Union and China) worldwide and throughout history are probably held accountable for well over 200 million deaths. Compared to fascist governments such as Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy under Benito Mussolini, the number only reaches about a low of 6 million to perhaps a high of 50 million. There is a huge difference. Consider the fact that Joseph Stalin's death rate and Mao Zedong were only during peacetime. Think about the deaths that they would be responsible for if Hitler or his 3rd Reich never existed? Stalin certainly would have invaded Europe (He did invade some countries such as Poland and Finland) if he had the chance and there is some research that Stalin said that he "wanted to rule the world".

I think that Fascism could work much better than Communism could be operated. Everyone just thinks that Fascism is an evil political ideology because of Adolf Hitler. The fact is, if you look at Il Duce's Italy, it wasn't that bad. Also, as I have showed above, communist governments have worse records for genocide than fascist governments do. Fascism can easily work much better and has historically had more beneficial and successful leaders than communism. This brings me on to talk about my other point. If one were to compare Hitler's accomplishments to Stalin's Or Mao Zedong's, Hitler would come out on top. Here are several reasons to state why.

For starters, we can put aside all the bad things that all 3 of the leaders did and only focus on the positive notions that they advocated for. Adolf Hitler was able to revive the German economy and bring post World War I Germany back on its heels. He did that without causing any casualties. If anyone doubts this, one can easily type the words "The Holocaust" into wikipedia and notice that the Holocaust only considers the murders of Jews during the years of World War II (1939-1945). So that aside, from the years 1933-1939 Adolf Hitler was able to reconstruct and revive the Germany without any mass number of casualties as opposed to Joseph Stalin and China. Also, Adolf Hitler was able to peacefully acquire more land before World War II started.

I shall summarize this with a conclusion that shall be presented below.

Could you point to a history book that says that the Nazi holocaust was the worst genocidal act in history?
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8/21/2011 12:04:18 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/20/2011 11:53:53 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
What? You mean how I find the nature of history-writing itself disturbing? That it's always the winners who get to declare the morality of the losers? That history is a remarkably easy way of gaining a disturbing amount of control?


History is a record of facts, it is your own personal deduction of who was good and who was bad. There is no censure or selective behavior in the publicizing of historic facts. People notice the pattern of history favoring sides, but mistake it as some bias from the books. Untrue.
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8/21/2011 12:59:27 AM
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I agree that Stalin and Mao were worse but that fact doesn't make Hitler good. Should a murder be labeled a good person simply because he didn't kill as many people as someone else? Now what does annoy me is that people assert that Communism and Fascism are polar opposites. Are you the same user who used to go by the name David_Duke?
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8/21/2011 1:56:01 AM
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That rant it to boring to go through properly.

Essentially Hitler and the Nazi's are demonised and held up as the epitome of evil. Is such a classification valid consdering comparisons with Stalin. No.

Does it really matter though?
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9/8/2011 10:16:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/21/2011 1:56:01 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
That rant it to boring to go through properly.

Essentially Hitler and the Nazi's are demonised and held up as the epitome of evil. Is such a classification valid consdering comparisons with Stalin. No.

Does it really matter though?

Yes, but it is unfairly giving us an example showing that National Socialism and/or Fascism is worse than Communism and that is definetly not the the case.
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9/8/2011 10:18:29 PM
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Wait, is Mengele just a multiaccount of Charles?
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9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM
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Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.
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9/8/2011 10:22:23 PM
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At 9/8/2011 10:18:29 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Wait, is Mengele just a multiaccount of Charles?

No I'm not a multi-account of Charleslb. Havn't people done IP address checks to confirm this? Also, if I was Charleslb's other account, then why don't I use language that you need a dictionary for? Exactly, I don't.
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9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM
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At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?
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9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM
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At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.
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9/8/2011 10:28:05 PM
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I didn't bother reading the entire first post, but I do agree to an extent. The holocaust is indeed exaggerated, likely as a means to promote a specific political agenda(I'm referring to zionism). I think Norman Finkelstein may have talked about this. Sure, Communists killed more people, but they didn't really focus mainly on one particular ethnic group; they killed anybody who was against their political agenda. Also, there was the famine that caused a majority of the deaths. While not directly caused by communists, it was as a result of Communist party policies. So yea, it seems funny to me that there's holocaust memorial day, but no such day to remember the victims of Stalinist USSR, Maoist China, Pol Potist Cambodia, etc. Possibly because it doesn't need to be used to promote a specific political agenda?

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9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM
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At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.
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9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM
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At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?
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9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM
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At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.
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9/8/2011 10:33:29 PM
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At 9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.

Okay, fine with me. The holocaust is the number 1 reason why I hate Hitler.
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9/8/2011 10:37:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:33:29 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.

Okay, fine with me. The holocaust is the number 1 reason why I hate Hitler.

Well, if that is your primary reason for hating him, it seems like a bad reason.
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9/8/2011 10:39:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Explain how communism can be enforced in a stateless society where force isn't applied in a heavy handed way.
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9/8/2011 10:40:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:37:19 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:33:29 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.

Okay, fine with me. The holocaust is the number 1 reason why I hate Hitler.

Well, if that is your primary reason for hating him, it seems like a bad reason.

Killing 6,000,000+ people is a bad reason to hate someone?
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9/8/2011 10:40:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:37:19 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:33:29 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.

Okay, fine with me. The holocaust is the number 1 reason why I hate Hitler.

Well, if that is your primary reason for hating him, it seems like a bad reason.

*facepalm*

Seriously, why do you have to say things like that? It's one thing to think your rac is better. It's another to hate other races. And it's yet another (and far worse) to condone genocide.
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9/8/2011 10:41:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:40:45 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:37:19 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:33:29 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.

Okay, fine with me. The holocaust is the number 1 reason why I hate Hitler.

Well, if that is your primary reason for hating him, it seems like a bad reason.


Killing 6,000,000+ people is a bad reason to hate someone?

11,000,000.
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9/8/2011 10:43:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:41:49 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:40:45 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:37:19 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:33:29 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.

Okay, fine with me. The holocaust is the number 1 reason why I hate Hitler.

Well, if that is your primary reason for hating him, it seems like a bad reason.


Killing 6,000,000+ people is a bad reason to hate someone?

11,000,000.

Sorry. 11,000,000 people. I find it funny Joseph doesnt support communism cos of the "death" total and forgets to look at fascism!
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9/8/2011 10:48:41 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:40:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:37:19 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:33:29 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.

Okay, fine with me. The holocaust is the number 1 reason why I hate Hitler.

Well, if that is your primary reason for hating him, it seems like a bad reason.

*facepalm*

Seriously, why do you have to say things like that? It's one thing to think your rac is better. It's another to hate other races. And it's yet another (and far worse) to condone genocide.

Because he's an awkward, provocative teenager whose never been outside buttfcuk, Kentucky? You know this "heil Hitler" bullsh*t goes out the door the minute some hot jewish girl starts talking to him.
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9/8/2011 10:50:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:43:00 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:41:49 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:40:45 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:37:19 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:33:29 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:32:24 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:30:41 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:29:50 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:27:34 PM, kohai wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:25:06 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.
If Stalin declares himself to be a communist, in which he did, then I will sure take his word for it. Even if he didn't supposedly follow the communist "doctrine" didn't mean that he wasn't a communist.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Well that certainly is interesting isn't it. Would you be willing to do a debate centering around the fact that fascism is a better political ideology than communism is?

I accept your challenge. Resolved: Communism is a better form of government than fascism.

Keep in mind that as an anarcho-communist (libertarian) I support a direct democracy.

Except that I can't do it now, so maybe later whenever I have the time. I'm just throwing it out there that we should have debate of this stature sometime.

Okay, perhaps we can also debate on Stalin if he was fascist or communist.
Like I said, this resolution would work fine as well, but unfortunetly I just don't have the time now, just really on the forums and to finish up my current debate.

I suppose you're also a holocaust denier?

Ehhh...not so sure on the Holocaust yet. I havn't made my mind up indefinitly about it.

Okay, fine with me. The holocaust is the number 1 reason why I hate Hitler.

Well, if that is your primary reason for hating him, it seems like a bad reason.


Killing 6,000,000+ people is a bad reason to hate someone?

11,000,000.

Sorry. 11,000,000 people. I find it funny Joseph doesnt support communism cos of the "death" total and forgets to look at fascism!

The deaths that were caused by the Nazis were for a good reason. Mostly for the objective of stopping Zionism as well as other potential problematic ideas from spreading into the world. Just look what Zionism has given us now.

Hitler didn't want to kill Jews, he tried expelling them first and sending them out of the country. They didn't listen obviously.

Has anyone ever tried decyphering the cryptic meaning of "The Final Solution".
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9/8/2011 10:50:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/8/2011 10:39:45 PM, quarterexchange wrote:
At 9/8/2011 10:21:09 PM, kohai wrote:
Stalin was certainly no communist, he was fascist as evident by the great purge. Communism is stateless.

I am a communist and don't support any of the so-called communist nations that have ever existed.

Explain how communism can be enforced in a stateless society
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