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Why do you not support the Green Party?

Tiel
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8/23/2011 7:55:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I am one of the only Green Party supporters that I know of on this website. I would like to hear some of your reasons as to why you do not support the Green Party.

Thank you for your time and energy.
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8/23/2011 8:03:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I don't think party politics is an efficient way of supporting libertarian-left policies. I do support what they pronounce though.

Lasagna and unitedandy both support it.
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Joseph_Mengele
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8/23/2011 8:13:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/23/2011 7:55:11 PM, Tiel wrote:
I am one of the only Green Party supporters that I know of on this website. I would like to hear some of your reasons as to why you do not support the Green Party.

Thank you for your time and energy.

I think its great and everything that you should protect the environment, but whenever it comes to the topic of global "warming", I think the Green Party gets way too extreme with its views.

For starters, the Green Party believes that humans are causing global warming. Even if that is true (which it isn't), there are more positive effects of global warming than there are harmful.

Also, the Green Party tends to almost always be left-oriented in politics, and the left are usually against racism and advocate political correctness, so that would perhaps be another reason why I don't like them.

As far as protecting the environment goes, sure you should protect the environment, you just shouldn't deny a homeowner land to build his house simply because there is a rare species of bird living in a tree (Near and/or on the property where the house would be built of course).
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8/23/2011 8:19:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Unfortunately, people listen to the likes of Joseph on matters of science before they give the Ph.Ds in the field any credence, simply because there are so fewer actual scientists to ask on the subject.
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8/23/2011 8:24:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/23/2011 8:13:23 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
there are more positive effects of global warming than there are harmful.

Hmmm...let us analyze the harmful effects of global warming: the increase of tidal levels near coastal areas, hypothetical increase of the spread of tropical diseases, decrease in numbers of population of species not adapted to warmer climates, and so on compared to the benefits such as increased productivity of farming and an increase in global food supply.

But I will let other members decide whether or not the benefits of global warming outweigh the detrimental consequences...
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8/23/2011 8:30:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/23/2011 8:19:48 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Unfortunately, people listen to the likes of Joseph on matters of science before they give the Ph.Ds in the field any credence, simply because there are so fewer actual scientists to ask on the subject.

That might explain the feud over global warming in the scientific community...
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8/23/2011 8:36:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/23/2011 8:24:04 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 8/23/2011 8:13:23 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
there are more positive effects of global warming than there are harmful.

Hmmm...let us analyze the harmful effects of global warming: the increase of tidal levels near coastal areas, hypothetical increase of the spread of tropical diseases, decrease in numbers of population of species not adapted to warmer climates, and so on compared to the benefits such as increased productivity of farming and an increase in global food supply.

But I will let other members decide whether or not the benefits of global warming outweigh the detrimental consequences...

http://retardzone.com...
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8/23/2011 8:40:57 PM
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At 8/23/2011 8:36:33 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 8/23/2011 8:24:04 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 8/23/2011 8:13:23 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
there are more positive effects of global warming than there are harmful.

Hmmm...let us analyze the harmful effects of global warming: the increase of tidal levels near coastal areas, hypothetical increase of the spread of tropical diseases, decrease in numbers of population of species not adapted to warmer climates, and so on compared to the benefits such as increased productivity of farming and an increase in global food supply.

But I will let other members decide whether or not the benefits of global warming outweigh the detrimental consequences...

http://retardzone.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Many of the effects are negative, and can lead to the destruction of several biological systems.
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Tiel
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8/23/2011 9:13:52 PM
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The Green Party represents a lot more than Global Warming.
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8/23/2011 9:40:02 PM
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If the Green Party supports the preservation of our environment, then I would support it, especially in regards to global warming and of other issues in current biological processes.
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Tiel
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8/23/2011 10:08:14 PM
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Here is the Green Party's Platform.

http://www.gp.org...
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8/24/2011 1:29:01 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/23/2011 7:55:11 PM, Tiel wrote:
I am one of the only Green Party supporters that I know of on this website. I would like to hear some of your reasons as to why you do not support the Green Party.

Thank you for your time and energy.

For one reason, they seek affirmative action in congress. Instead of the best representative, they want to tell us that half of congress has to be female.

Most importantly though, I could never endorse a candidate, or party, who refers to killing babies as "reproductive rights", and says that it must remain legal.

To me, it seems like the green party is just the far left wing of the democratic party with more emphasis on environmental issues.
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8/24/2011 1:41:03 AM
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I'm pro-human, not pro-nature.
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8/24/2011 2:34:56 AM
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Environmentalists are too extreme and make life too uncomfortable and irritating to normal humans. Save Paper! Save trees! Save gas! Save damn everything! Go back to the stone age! I say this as a liberal democrat. People who worry about the environment also often have a god complex as if they are doing the "right thing" by "going green."
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8/24/2011 2:38:55 AM
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doesn't it make more sense to PLANT trees than save them? We need trees, and there's no getting around that.
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8/24/2011 2:49:48 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/23/2011 7:55:11 PM, Tiel wrote:
I am one of the only Green Party supporters that I know of on this website. I would like to hear some of your reasons as to why you do not support the Green Party.

Thank you for your time and energy.

Because i don't consider their agenda to be truly about being green, but rather an economic agenda. If the green party was more about smaller government, not larger government i would give them more legitimacy, but the greens believe that the only way to acheive their agenda is to over regulate everything, and control everything.
I also find that the greens devalue human life in favor of, well everything else. I also never understood why a tree should be given greater value than a carrot.
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8/24/2011 4:05:45 AM
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Their foreign and social policies are pretty awesome, but I don't support them in their economics.
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8/24/2011 4:56:21 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Idk much about the Green Party, but I like Ralph Nader. He's a good ol' Libertarian who fights the New World Order.
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8/24/2011 5:03:18 AM
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In the UK the Green Party appears to overlap with the socialist/liberal lunatic fringe. The sort of people that want open borders, statues of nelson mandela, and react to riots by building youth clubs.
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8/24/2011 6:34:16 AM
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I don't take the Green Party seriously because they don't take themselves seriously. The whole party is run by extreme leftists.
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8/24/2011 9:01:49 AM
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They oppose free speech and private property. They are uncompromising fanatics who want to suppress all dissent from their views. It would be an economic and human rights nightmare.
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8/24/2011 9:42:55 AM
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At 8/24/2011 9:01:49 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
They oppose free speech and private property. They are uncompromising fanatics who want to suppress all dissent from their views. It would be an economic and human rights nightmare.

Can you provide some examples of them opposing free speech and private property?
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8/24/2011 10:39:29 AM
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At 8/24/2011 9:42:55 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 8/24/2011 9:01:49 AM, RoyLatham wrote:
They oppose free speech and private property. They are uncompromising fanatics who want to suppress all dissent from their views. It would be an economic and human rights nightmare.

Can you provide some examples of them opposing free speech and private property?

As a policy.
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8/24/2011 10:39:44 AM
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At 8/23/2011 8:24:04 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 8/23/2011 8:13:23 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
there are more positive effects of global warming than there are harmful.

Hmmm...let us analyze the harmful effects of global warming: the increase of tidal levels near coastal areas, hypothetical increase of the spread of tropical diseases, decrease in numbers of population of species not adapted to warmer climates, and so on compared to the benefits such as increased productivity of farming and an increase in global food supply.

But I will let other members decide whether or not the benefits of global warming outweigh the detrimental consequences...

Humans have prospered in warm climates and died in cold climates. Look at the graph: http://www.stanford.edu....
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8/24/2011 10:50:28 AM
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Let's actually look at their party platform on Free Speech.

http://www.gp.org...

They seem to focus on intent rather than verbage. They seem to focus on freedom of the press more than basic free speech. They say that the reason the founding fathers put in freedom of the press is because, "an exchange of ideas and an unfettered debate were considered essential components of a democratic society. Today, however, government policy is designed less to enhance public deliberation than to boost the profitability of media corporations."

With their "Green Solutions" I support

#1, #2, #3 (though that is for a specific reason for those funds), #6, #9, #12 (the licencing fees should fund this, rather than tax payer dollars), #15 (noticing a patern of 3's here), #18, #19 (C-c-c-combo breaker).
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8/24/2011 10:54:06 AM
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At 8/24/2011 10:39:44 AM, seraine wrote:
At 8/23/2011 8:24:04 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 8/23/2011 8:13:23 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
there are more positive effects of global warming than there are harmful.

Hmmm...let us analyze the harmful effects of global warming: the increase of tidal levels near coastal areas, hypothetical increase of the spread of tropical diseases, decrease in numbers of population of species not adapted to warmer climates, and so on compared to the benefits such as increased productivity of farming and an increase in global food supply.

But I will let other members decide whether or not the benefits of global warming outweigh the detrimental consequences...

Humans have prospered in warm climates and died in cold climates. Look at the graph: http://www.stanford.edu....

I didn't realize that Mexico was doing better than the USA, nor that Northern Africa was more prosperous than Europe.

I also didn't notice that when comparing average life spans, that you could simply select different locations as well as different times and assume that the difference is based on time alone.
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8/24/2011 10:57:07 AM
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I voted for them the last time. As has been said, in Britain, they're pretty much the most left-wing of the mainstream parties, which was my main motivation, but obviously the environmental side is their main ideological target, which is fine with me.