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Freeman
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8/26/2011 12:34:26 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
How do you feel about Rick Perry getting the GOP nomination? If he is able to oust Mitt Romney, that seems very likely.

I'm not the first person to notice this, but he seems very similar to Bush II.....
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8/26/2011 12:59:56 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I honestly don't want another rambling Texan in office. After Rick Perry and his prayer order, I say, get that imperialist fascist out of office
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8/26/2011 1:45:58 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I agree he is very much like Bush. He is also similar to Romney in that he has a habit of changing his views to fit the situation.
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8/26/2011 2:07:05 AM
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8/26/2011 9:00:23 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 12:34:26 AM, Freeman wrote:
How do you feel about Rick Perry getting the GOP nomination? If he is able to oust Mitt Romney, that seems very likely.

I'm not the first person to notice this, but he seems very similar to Bush II.....:

Every single Republican candidate except Gary Johnson and Ron Paul, and perhaps Herman Cain, are cut-out's of the Bush doctrine.
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8/26/2011 1:01:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 12:59:56 AM, kohai wrote:
I honestly don't want another rambling Texan in office. After Rick Perry and his prayer order, I say, get that imperialist fascist out of office

Rick Perry isn't a fascist. Fascists don't like religion and seek to end it.
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8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe. So how do leftists respond to their policies having failed? Obviously they can't talk about policy. The two approaches are (a) blame someone else: it's all Bush's fault, the earthquake in Japan did us in, the Republicans in Congress stopped us from completing the Glorious Workers Revolution or (b) personal attacks: everyone who opposes us is either corrupt or just like someone who we have deemed corrupt. Without working policies, conjuring up devils is all that's available.

Perry is a capitalist. Any capitalist will suffice at this point.
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8/26/2011 4:49:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe. So how do leftists respond to their policies having failed? Obviously they can't talk about policy. The two approaches are (a) blame someone else: it's all Bush's fault, the earthquake in Japan did us in, the Republicans in Congress stopped us from completing the Glorious Workers Revolution or (b) personal attacks: everyone who opposes us is either corrupt or just like someone who we have deemed corrupt. Without working policies, conjuring up devils is all that's available.

Perry is a capitalist. Any capitalist will suffice at this point.

Palin?
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8/26/2011 5:30:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 4:49:25 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe. So how do leftists respond to their policies having failed? Obviously they can't talk about policy. The two approaches are (a) blame someone else: it's all Bush's fault, the earthquake in Japan did us in, the Republicans in Congress stopped us from completing the Glorious Workers Revolution or (b) personal attacks: everyone who opposes us is either corrupt or just like someone who we have deemed corrupt. Without working policies, conjuring up devils is all that's available.

Perry is a capitalist. Any capitalist will suffice at this point.

Palin?

Yup, better. She would get some capitalists into government.
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8/26/2011 5:45:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe. So how do leftists respond to their policies having failed? Obviously they can't talk about policy. The two approaches are (a) blame someone else: it's all Bush's fault, the earthquake in Japan did us in, the Republicans in Congress stopped us from completing the Glorious Workers Revolution or (b) personal attacks: everyone who opposes us is either corrupt or just like someone who we have deemed corrupt. Without working policies, conjuring up devils is all that's available.

Perry is a capitalist. Any capitalist will suffice at this point.

That has got to be the biggest load of *(#&$ I've heard from you. Obama hasn't tried "European socialism" worth poo. He inherited a tanking economy, which lost a net of over 7 million jobs (with peaks of over 700,000 job losses a month), and has already recovered over 2 million of them (a comparison, Reagan only lost 2 million from his Carter inheritance). Rather than implimenting any actual "socialist" policies, he's been comprimising on all of them, from Health care, to budgets, to the military, to unemployment benefits, to etc.

For someone that is so smart in engineering and science and so many other things, I cannot believe that you think that this is a "fair chance to try European Socialism" (or that it is European Socialism at all).
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8/26/2011 6:40:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 5:45:03 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
That has got to be the biggest load of *(#&$ I've heard from you. ...
For someone that is so smart in engineering and science and so many other things, I cannot believe that you think that this is a "fair chance to try European Socialism" (or that it is European Socialism at all).

I'm impressed. You responded with a personal attack on me, followed by its being the fault of Bush and the fault of the Republicans, who failed to fully implement the Glorious Workers Revolution.

If you have resolution you'd like to debate relative to policy, I'm up for it.
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8/26/2011 7:02:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 6:40:06 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 8/26/2011 5:45:03 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
That has got to be the biggest load of *(#&$ I've heard from you. ...
For someone that is so smart in engineering and science and so many other things, I cannot believe that you think that this is a "fair chance to try European Socialism" (or that it is European Socialism at all).

I'm impressed. You responded with a personal attack on me, followed by its being the fault of Bush and the fault of the Republicans, who failed to fully implement the Glorious Workers Revolution.

LOL

Hey we did fine when Clinton was in office... then we got "too" rich and had to implement safeguards to destroy the economy under Bush so that we could stop being able to afford all these silly liberal policies. Now we are perpetually in an economic crisis and HEY! Now we can't afford not to have a Republican in office, or to take any money away from the rich, because it's irresponsible. Kind of funny how that breaks down, isn't it.
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8/26/2011 7:08:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 7:02:44 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 8/26/2011 6:40:06 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 8/26/2011 5:45:03 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
That has got to be the biggest load of *(#&$ I've heard from you. ...
For someone that is so smart in engineering and science and so many other things, I cannot believe that you think that this is a "fair chance to try European Socialism" (or that it is European Socialism at all).

I'm impressed. You responded with a personal attack on me, followed by its being the fault of Bush and the fault of the Republicans, who failed to fully implement the Glorious Workers Revolution.

LOL

Hey we did fine when Clinton was in office... then we got "too" rich and had to implement safeguards to destroy the economy under Bush so that we could stop being able to afford all these silly liberal policies. Now we are perpetually in an economic crisis and HEY! Now we can't afford not to have a Republican in office, or to take any money away from the rich, because it's irresponsible. Kind of funny how that breaks down, isn't it.

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8/26/2011 7:14:33 PM
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Hey we did fine when Clinton was in office... then we got "too" rich and had to implement safeguards to destroy the economy under Bush so that we could stop being able to afford all these silly liberal policies. Now we are perpetually in an economic crisis and HEY! Now we can't afford not to have a Republican in office, or to take any money away from the rich, because it's irresponsible. Kind of funny how that breaks down, isn't it.:

A sad state of affairs to admit that Clinton was, economically, the best president we've had in quite some time. And yet, truth is truth.
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8/26/2011 7:14:41 PM
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At 8/26/2011 7:02:44 PM, Lasagna wrote:
LOL

Hey we did fine when Clinton was in office... then we got "too" rich and had to implement safeguards to destroy the economy under Bush so that we could stop being able to afford all these silly liberal policies. Now we are perpetually in an economic crisis and HEY! Now we can't afford not to have a Republican in office, or to take any money away from the rich, because it's irresponsible. Kind of funny how that breaks down, isn't it.

Do you have any idea how many economic crises this nation has faced? Its not perpetual. Its been improving. What I've learned about people, or at least the American people is, once we hate something we ENJOY hating it, and we WANT to hate it. We look for even the stupidest excuses to hate it. This applies most to the government and the president. If we would just abandon our strong desire to be enemies of the government and the president, we would see more clearly why things are done and how things can be done.

Reading about American history and learning a bit of economics wouldn't hurt either. People need to shut off the news for bit and start figuring things out themselves. I'm sick of seeing people come to the foolish conclusion that the government is bad or lazy just because they're currently unemployed.
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8/26/2011 9:11:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 7:14:41 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 8/26/2011 7:02:44 PM, Lasagna wrote:
LOL

Hey we did fine when Clinton was in office... then we got "too" rich and had to implement safeguards to destroy the economy under Bush so that we could stop being able to afford all these silly liberal policies. Now we are perpetually in an economic crisis and HEY! Now we can't afford not to have a Republican in office, or to take any money away from the rich, because it's irresponsible. Kind of funny how that breaks down, isn't it.


Do you have any idea how many economic crises this nation has faced? Its not perpetual. Its been improving. What I've learned about people, or at least the American people is, once we hate something we ENJOY hating it, and we WANT to hate it. We look for even the stupidest excuses to hate it. This applies most to the government and the president. If we would just abandon our strong desire to be enemies of the government and the president, we would see more clearly why things are done and how things can be done.

Reading about American history and learning a bit of economics wouldn't hurt either. People need to shut off the news for bit and start figuring things out themselves. I'm sick of seeing people come to the foolish conclusion that the government is bad or lazy just because they're currently unemployed.

How did you know I was unemployed?
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8/26/2011 9:13:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 9:00:46 PM, Rockylightning wrote:
At 8/26/2011 7:32:38 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Rick Perry is an attendee of Bilderberg. Just putting that out there.

You aren't?

Of course I am. How else would I know?
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8/26/2011 9:44:21 PM
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At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe. So how do leftists respond to their policies having failed? Obviously they can't talk about policy. The two approaches are (a) blame someone else: it's all Bush's fault, the earthquake in Japan did us in, the Republicans in Congress stopped us from completing the Glorious Workers Revolution or (b) personal attacks: everyone who opposes us is either corrupt or just like someone who we have deemed corrupt. Without working policies, conjuring up devils is all that's available.

Perry is a capitalist. Any capitalist will suffice at this point.

I dunno... I don't really agree with authoritarians. And I don't know if he qualifies as a capitalist. See: http://motherjones.com...
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8/27/2011 12:19:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 8/26/2011 7:02:44 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Hey we did fine when Clinton was in office... then we got "too" rich and had to implement safeguards to destroy the economy under Bush so that we could stop being able to afford all these silly liberal policies. Now we are perpetually in an economic crisis and HEY! Now we can't afford not to have a Republican in office, or to take any money away from the rich, because it's irresponsible. Kind of funny how that breaks down, isn't it.

Yes, let's go back to the Clinton paradigm. Republicans controlled Congress, wrote the balanced budgets, and the country benefited from free trade agreements, welfare reform, and a large capital gains tax cut. Those were worked out between Gingrich and a president who had a good dose of realism. One thing we cannot recreate is the savings from cutting 600,000 troops as a result of the "peace dividend."

Taxing the rich is mainly advocated for ideological reasons, not to raise money. Maryland and Oregon, reliable liberal states, raised taxes on the rich two years ago. Revenues dropped. New York raised taxes and got a tiny fraction of what the simple math would predict.

The financial crisis was mainly caused by Freddie and Fannie buying unlimited quantities of bogus loans to implement a policy of expanding home ownership. With the government backing, investors were convinced that the loans must have been safe. Bush tried to stop the practice by increasing regulation on Fannie and Freddie, but efforts were blocked by Democrats in Congress.
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8/27/2011 12:25:30 PM
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At 8/26/2011 9:44:21 PM, seraine wrote:
I dunno... I don't really agree with authoritarians. And I don't know if he qualifies as a capitalist. See: http://motherjones.com...

So Mother Jones is attacking Perry on the grounds that he is not conservative enough. Oh sure.
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8/27/2011 12:57:35 PM
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At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe.

Tell that to our far superior healthcare systems.
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8/27/2011 1:26:02 PM
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At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Perry is a capitalist. Any capitalist will suffice at this point.

This is false, because Rick Santorum is a capitalist, and will most certainly not suffice at this point.
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8/27/2011 1:51:04 PM
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At 8/27/2011 12:57:35 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe.

Tell that to our far superior healthcare systems.

The US subsidizes health care in the rest of the world (Canada's price caps next door being a perfect example) by being essentially the only viable market to motivate medicine development.
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8/27/2011 1:52:10 PM
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At 8/27/2011 12:57:35 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe.

Tell that to our far superior healthcare systems.

Yes, healthy and unemployed is a grand goal.
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8/27/2011 1:52:21 PM
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At 8/27/2011 1:51:04 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/27/2011 12:57:35 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe.

Tell that to our far superior healthcare systems.

The US subsidizes health care in the rest of the world (Canada's price caps next door being a perfect example) by being essentially the only viable market to motivate medicine development.

This is of course despite having regulatory intervention out the wazoo for the past century, such as tax incentives for the inefficient model of employer-based health care.
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8/27/2011 2:03:33 PM
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At 8/27/2011 12:57:35 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe.

Tell that to our far superior healthcare systems.

There is universal agreement among professionals who study health care that the primary determinant of health is not the health care system, but rather lifestyle. Costa Rica spends about $330 per year on health care, but life expectancy is only two years less than the US. We spend around $8000. Costa Ricans are rich enough to have clean water and food, but they have lean diets, few drugs and traffic accidents, and so forth. The US has the worst life style in the world.

The mistake in confusing health with health care is chronic and unjustified. It's like observing that North Dakota has fewer drownings than Florida and then concluding that North Dakota must have fabulous life guards.
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8/27/2011 3:15:41 PM
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At 8/27/2011 2:03:33 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 8/27/2011 12:57:35 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 8/26/2011 2:43:47 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Obama was given a fair chance to try European Socialism, and, big surprise, it failed in the US as badly as it has failed in Europe.

Tell that to our far superior healthcare systems.

There is universal agreement among professionals who study health care that the primary determinant of health is not the health care system, but rather lifestyle. Costa Rica spends about $330 per year on health care, but life expectancy is only two years less than the US. We spend around $8000. Costa Ricans are rich enough to have clean water and food, but they have lean diets, few drugs and traffic accidents, and so forth. The US has the worst life style in the world.

The mistake in confusing health with health care is chronic and unjustified. It's like observing that North Dakota has fewer drownings than Florida and then concluding that North Dakota must have fabulous life guards.

Well obvious the life guards are better...it's not like you'd be so regionalist as to suggest that North Dakotans are naturally better at swimming than Floridians.
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