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9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.
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9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.
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9/26/2011 7:08:21 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.

Yes, we know you're a troll who pretends to be a racist who will not defend his beliefs. Thanks, let's move on.
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9/26/2011 7:09:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Gah! My dreams of President Paul are feeling crushed right now. I think every other candidate is a loony.
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9/26/2011 7:10:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:08:21 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.

Yes, we know you're a troll who pretends to be a racist who will not defend his beliefs. Thanks, let's move on.

Check my debates before you start throwing inaccurate accusations toward my way.
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9/26/2011 7:10:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:08:21 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.

Yes, we know you're a troll who pretends to be a racist who will not defend his beliefs. Thanks, let's move on.

You know, Obama's been prez for a while...a racist of this extreme magnitude would probably have moved out by now. Methinks this guy is fishy, nothing new there I suppose.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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9/26/2011 7:10:45 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.

I would like a white supremacy debate with you, I asked a while and you claimed to be swamped by such requests... which is irrelevant as you appear to be ignoring them.

You are a rational person, you must have reasons for affirming white supremacy.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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9/26/2011 7:11:09 PM
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At 9/26/2011 7:09:50 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gah! My dreams of President Paul are feeling crushed right now. I think every other candidate is a loony.

Personally, I think that in order for Ron Paul to win, a lot of the left libertarians and/or moderates who identify themselves as Democrats, should switch over to the Republican party for the purpose of electing Ron Paul.
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9/26/2011 7:12:08 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:10:02 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:

Check my debates before you start throwing inaccurate accusations toward my way.

Two invalid, crippled, illegitimate and poorly executed debates are nothing to strut around with as a badge of honor....
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9/26/2011 7:12:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:11:09 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:09:50 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gah! My dreams of President Paul are feeling crushed right now. I think every other candidate is a loony.

Personally, I think that in order for Ron Paul to win, a lot of the left libertarians and/or moderates who identify themselves as Democrats, should switch over to the Republican party for the purpose of electing Ron Paul.

The way I look at it is thus: is the candidate a sensible and good choice? Well, scratch him off the list of possible prez's.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

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9/26/2011 7:14:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:10:02 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:08:21 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.

Yes, we know you're a troll who pretends to be a racist who will not defend his beliefs. Thanks, let's move on.

Check my debates before you start throwing inaccurate accusations toward my way.

I checked those debates, and the accusations stand affirmed.
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Joseph_Mengele
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9/26/2011 7:15:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:10:31 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:08:21 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.

Yes, we know you're a troll who pretends to be a racist who will not defend his beliefs. Thanks, let's move on.

You know, Obama's been prez for a while...a racist of this extreme magnitude would probably have moved out by now. Methinks this guy is fishy, nothing new there I suppose.

Ok, here is my perspective on it.

I've basically stayed in America for the belief that Ron Paul will become President one day. If Ron Paul doesn't win this time, then perhaps the only hope for America is Rand Paul. But if Ron Paul doesn't win, and isn't going to run for another bid in 2016 (He is getting quite old and may not be able to), and if Herman Cain wins, then I will move to Finland and/or Sweden, Germany or Norway.

The argument that I should have moved out of America whenever Obama became President is irrelevent because I still had hope for Ron Paul.
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9/26/2011 7:15:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:12:38 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:11:09 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:09:50 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Gah! My dreams of President Paul are feeling crushed right now. I think every other candidate is a loony.

Personally, I think that in order for Ron Paul to win, a lot of the left libertarians and/or moderates who identify themselves as Democrats, should switch over to the Republican party for the purpose of electing Ron Paul.

The way I look at it is thus: is the candidate a sensible and good choice? Well, scratch him off the list of possible prez's.

lol, that's part of having a minorty view.
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9/26/2011 7:15:55 PM
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I don't believe in the validity of polls. They create biases and 9 out of 10 times they have as much scientific rigor as young earth creationism.
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9/26/2011 7:18:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:15:16 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:

Ok, here is my perspective on it.

I've basically stayed in America for the belief that Ron Paul will become President one day. If Ron Paul doesn't win this time, then perhaps the only hope for America is Rand Paul. But if Ron Paul doesn't win, and isn't going to run for another bid in 2016 (He is getting quite old and may not be able to), and if Herman Cain wins, then I will move to Finland and/or Sweden, Germany or Norway.

The argument that I should have moved out of America whenever Obama became President is irrelevent because I still had hope for Ron Paul.

Something tells me that you didn't know a Ron Paul existed until the launch of this election,...but okay, I'll take your words for it.

I wish someone would deport you to The Democratic Republic of Congo for 5 years. That'd be funny.
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9/26/2011 7:20:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:10:45 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.

I would like a white supremacy debate with you, I asked a while and you claimed to be swamped by such requests... which is irrelevant as you appear to be ignoring them.

You are a rational person, you must have reasons for affirming white supremacy.

No response?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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9/26/2011 7:22:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:15:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
I don't believe in the validity of polls. They create biases and 9 out of 10 times they have as much scientific rigor as young earth creationism.



To be fair, the RCP polls predicted an Obama win over McCain by 7.6 points. Ultimately, Obama won by 7.3 points (well within the margin of error).

They also accurately picked 23 out of 26 cacusses for the Democratic Primary.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

And 13 out of 15 for the republicans.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
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9/26/2011 7:23:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:15:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
I don't believe in the validity of polls. They create biases and 9 out of 10 times they have as much scientific rigor as young earth creationism.

I don't think it's really possible to get bias in a question of "Which candidate would you vote for in the Republican primary?"
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9/26/2011 7:26:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:23:18 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:15:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
I don't believe in the validity of polls. They create biases and 9 out of 10 times they have as much scientific rigor as young earth creationism.

I don't think it's really possible to get bias in a question of "Which candidate would you vote for in the Republican primary?"

But it is possible to give a bias to which audience actually votes in this poll. A poll that is strategically inviting and advertised to republican viewers will probably show some very skewed results. None of the candidates in this primary hold a candle to Obama. The majority of America is democratic,...but then again, the majority of America does not vote.
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9/26/2011 7:27:27 PM
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I've basically stayed in America for the belief that Ron Paul will become President one day.:

Why would a white supremacist want Ron Paul to win so badly?

But if Ron Paul doesn't win, and isn't going to run for another bid in 2016 (He is getting quite old and may not be able to):

He'll probably be dead by 2016... I guarantee he won't run in 2016. It was epic enough for him to run on this election cycle.

and if Herman Cain wins, then I will move to Finland and/or Sweden, Germany or Norway.:

On the sole basis that he's black?

Hypothetical: You would rather vote for Stalin or Cain? (State reasons for your answer).
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9/26/2011 7:29:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:26:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:23:18 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:15:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
I don't believe in the validity of polls. They create biases and 9 out of 10 times they have as much scientific rigor as young earth creationism.

I don't think it's really possible to get bias in a question of "Which candidate would you vote for in the Republican primary?"

But it is possible to give a bias to which audience actually votes in this poll. A poll that is strategically inviting and advertised to republican viewers will probably show some very skewed results. None of the candidates in this primary hold a candle to Obama. The majority of America is democratic,...but then again, the majority of America does not vote.

That is much like the Ames straw poll, which I believe Ron Paul got a very close 2nd. For one, not every candidate was given equal opportunity, Ron Paul placed the highest bid, and so got the best location to set up his booth so that he could attract voters that likely will not vote for him. While people with lower bids got sent to the back where they were at an automatic disadvantage. We also have that you had to pay to vote, and candidates would pay their supporter's voting fee (called a meal ticket) and essentually buy their vote (but what else is new in politics).
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9/26/2011 7:37:48 PM
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To be fair, the RCP polls predicted an Obama win over McCain by 7.6 points. Ultimately, Obama won by 7.3 points (well within the margin of error).:

But so what?

Here's the real question: If those polls were not disseminated to the public, would that have affected the outcome? (See: self-fulfilling prophecy)

What does it matter what other people think? What does it matter to you, on a personal level, what other people vote or how they're projected to vote? It should be irrelevant.

Here's a great reason not to pay any attention to the straw polls. Call it the "Lesser of Two Evils" argument. A huge grass roots support is for Ron Paul. But as the election nears, the polls announce that Ron Paul is in 5th place. Feeling that their candidate cannot win, they switch alliances to the lesser of two evils. Extrapolate this on a mass scale and think just how many people would not have switched if these "polls" were not announced publically beforehand?

Imagine people actually voting for who they wanted in office and not the lesser of two evils. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, and never will be. I will not vote for people that I feel will march this nation in to ruin, albeit at a marginally slower rate than the greater of two evils, when the end result is still ruin. Voting for the crocodile because he promises to eat you last for your allegiance is little consolation when the end result is still the same... you're still going to be eaten.
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9/26/2011 7:40:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:23:18 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:15:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
I don't believe in the validity of polls. They create biases and 9 out of 10 times they have as much scientific rigor as young earth creationism.

I don't think it's really possible to get bias in a question of "Which candidate would you vote for in the Republican primary?":

I don't think you understand the greater point. Consider the source. Who here honestly trusts pollsters to be objective? Where did they gather their information? Was it targeting a specific demographic to skew the results?
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9/26/2011 7:42:56 PM
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"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics." -- Mark Twain
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9/26/2011 7:46:23 PM
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At 9/26/2011 7:20:18 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:10:45 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:07:05 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:01:43 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...

Herman Cain takes a very solid win 21.7 points over the runner up, Perry. Paul finishes in 5th, and lovely enough, Bachman finishes dead last with only 1.5%.

If Herman Cain wins then I'm moving to Finland. While Socialism is bad, I will move there if another black President is elected over Ron Paul and/or elected in any general sense.

I would like a white supremacy debate with you, I asked a while and you claimed to be swamped by such requests... which is irrelevant as you appear to be ignoring them.

You are a rational person, you must have reasons for affirming white supremacy.

No response?

Well...I was watching T.V. but I suppose I might do a debate with you. If I dont respond to a post within a "certain given amount of time" do you automatically come under the assertion that I perhaps dodged the issue?

If so, that is poor character on your part.
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9/26/2011 7:48:32 PM
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At 9/26/2011 7:42:56 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics." -- Mark Twain

And all his books were nothing but the truth, right?
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9/26/2011 7:48:49 PM
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At 9/26/2011 7:46:23 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:

Well...I was watching T.V. but I suppose I might do a debate with you

Cerebral, send him a request pronto. Lets pin him down before he denies ever saying this.
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9/26/2011 7:51:44 PM
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At 9/26/2011 7:48:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:46:23 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:

Well...I was watching T.V. but I suppose I might do a debate with you

Cerebral, send him a request pronto. Lets pin him down before he denies ever saying this.

Well...I didn't say I'll debate now, I have a lot of things going on at the moment. I would certainly like to have a debate over white supremacy and/or whatever my views are that annoy Cerebral.
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9/26/2011 7:54:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/26/2011 7:48:32 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:42:56 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics." -- Mark Twain

And all his books were nothing but the truth, right?:

I haven't read all his books, but that particular maxim rings true.

In any event, who can tell me what inherent value exists in straw polls? We have straw polls, we presumably conduct them for some reason that we value... but what precisely is the inherent value in polls?
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9/26/2011 7:56:50 PM
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At 9/26/2011 7:51:44 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:48:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/26/2011 7:46:23 PM, Joseph_Mengele wrote:

Well...I was watching T.V. but I suppose I might do a debate with you

Cerebral, send him a request pronto. Lets pin him down before he denies ever saying this.

Well...I didn't say I'll debate now, I have a lot of things going on at the moment. I would certainly like to have a debate over white supremacy and/or whatever my views are that annoy Cerebral.

And reality sets in....great dodge you racist.
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