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Hilarious Ayn Rand Quote

seraine
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9/27/2011 6:35:11 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
This came from her book Atlas Shrugged.

Background: Fransico is a brilliant head of a copper company, but after being repeatedly screwed over by regulation he decides to let his company go under and do whatever he wants. He invests 15 million into a worthless copper mine, and James Taggart, head of Taggart Transcontinental who is also basically a socialist, invests 100 million into the copper mine. Once he discovers this, he asks him why. Here is Fransisco's response.

"I don't know why you should call my behavior rotten. I thought you would recognize it as an honest effort to practice what the whole world is preaching. Doesn't everyone believe that it is evil to be selfish? I was totally selfless in regard to the San Sebastian project. Isn't it eveil to pursue a personal interest? I had no personal interest in it whatever. Isn't it evil to work for profit? I did not work for profit. I took a loss. Doesn't everyone agree that the purpose and justification of an industrial enterprise are not production, but the livelihood of its employees? The San Sebastian Mines were the most eminently successful venture in industrial history: they produced no copper, bu they provided a livelihood for thousands of men who could not have achieved, in a lifetime, the equivalent of what they got for one day's work, which they could not do. Isn't it generally agreed that an owner is a parasite and an exploiter, that is the employees who do all the work and make the product possible? I did not exploit anyone. I did not burden the San Sebastian Mines with my useless presence; I left them in the hands of the men who count. I did not pass judgement on the value of that property. I turned it over to a mining specialist. He was not a very good specialist, but he needed the job very badly. Isn't' it generally conceded that when you hire a man for a job, it is his need that counts, not his ability? Doesn't everyone believe that in order to get the goods all you have to do is need them? I have carried out every moral precept of our age. I expected gratitude and a citation of honor. I do not understand why I am being dammed."
Ore_Ele
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9/27/2011 6:45:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/27/2011 6:35:11 PM, seraine wrote:
This came from her book Atlas Shrugged.

Background: Fransico is a brilliant head of a copper company, but after being repeatedly screwed over by regulation he decides to let his company go under and do whatever he wants. He invests 15 million into a worthless copper mine, and James Taggart, head of Taggart Transcontinental who is also basically a socialist, invests 100 million into the copper mine. Once he discovers this, he asks him why. Here is Fransisco's response.

"I don't know why you should call my behavior rotten. I thought you would recognize it as an honest effort to practice what the whole world is preaching. Doesn't everyone believe that it is evil to be selfish? I was totally selfless in regard to the San Sebastian project. Isn't it eveil to pursue a personal interest? I had no personal interest in it whatever. Isn't it evil to work for profit? I did not work for profit. I took a loss. Doesn't everyone agree that the purpose and justification of an industrial enterprise are not production, but the livelihood of its employees? The San Sebastian Mines were the most eminently successful venture in industrial history: they produced no copper, bu they provided a livelihood for thousands of men who could not have achieved, in a lifetime, the equivalent of what they got for one day's work, which they could not do. Isn't it generally agreed that an owner is a parasite and an exploiter, that is the employees who do all the work and make the product possible? I did not exploit anyone. I did not burden the San Sebastian Mines with my useless presence; I left them in the hands of the men who count. I did not pass judgement on the value of that property. I turned it over to a mining specialist. He was not a very good specialist, but he needed the job very badly. Isn't' it generally conceded that when you hire a man for a job, it is his need that counts, not his ability? Doesn't everyone believe that in order to get the goods all you have to do is need them? I have carried out every moral precept of our age. I expected gratitude and a citation of honor. I do not understand why I am being dammed."

That sounded like it came from Rush Limbaugh. Are we suppose to point out the fallacies? Or just laugh at them?
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9/27/2011 6:52:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
If you think there are fallacies point them out.

I hope you aren't under the impression this is a straw man, it's fiction for god's sake, but any premise you care to name as "Straw manned" has an advocate RL.
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seraine
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9/27/2011 7:24:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/27/2011 6:45:58 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
That sounded like it came from Rush Limbaugh. Are we suppose to point out the fallacies? Or just laugh at them?

By all means, point them out. And before you say strawman, I actually have seen people advocating positions similar to the one addressed by the quote. Doesn't Tiel have this thing against unfair distribution of wealth?
Tiel
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9/27/2011 7:37:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/27/2011 7:24:00 PM, seraine wrote:
At 9/27/2011 6:45:58 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
That sounded like it came from Rush Limbaugh. Are we suppose to point out the fallacies? Or just laugh at them?

By all means, point them out. And before you say strawman, I actually have seen people advocating positions similar to the one addressed by the quote. Doesn't Tiel have this thing against unfair distribution of wealth?

My position is nothing like this quote. Sorry. The quote is full of grand assumptions and is not rooted in reality.
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seraine
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9/27/2011 7:55:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/27/2011 7:37:01 PM, Tiel wrote:
At 9/27/2011 7:24:00 PM, seraine wrote:
At 9/27/2011 6:45:58 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
That sounded like it came from Rush Limbaugh. Are we suppose to point out the fallacies? Or just laugh at them?

By all means, point them out. And before you say strawman, I actually have seen people advocating positions similar to the one addressed by the quote. Doesn't Tiel have this thing against unfair distribution of wealth?

My position is nothing like this quote. Sorry. The quote is full of grand assumptions and is not rooted in reality.

I know. Your position is similar though, correct? It isn't as extreme, but I am sure it is similar. Much of this quote is against a fictitious policy of the future, but I thought that it was funny and relevant to some things.
seraine
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9/27/2011 9:01:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/27/2011 7:55:04 PM, seraine wrote:
At 9/27/2011 7:37:01 PM, Tiel wrote:
At 9/27/2011 7:24:00 PM, seraine wrote:
At 9/27/2011 6:45:58 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
That sounded like it came from Rush Limbaugh. Are we suppose to point out the fallacies? Or just laugh at them?

By all means, point them out. And before you say strawman, I actually have seen people advocating positions similar to the one addressed by the quote. Doesn't Tiel have this thing against unfair distribution of wealth?

My position is nothing like this quote. Sorry. The quote is full of grand assumptions and is not rooted in reality.

I know. Your position is similar though, correct? It isn't as extreme, but I am sure it is similar. Much of this quote is against a fictitious policy of the future, but I thought that it was funny and relevant to some things.

For example, this quote addressed the position that the rich are parasites, which I know Tiel has argued.
RoyLatham
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10/3/2011 10:45:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Instead of investing in a copper mine, the story can be updated by investing in a plant to manufacture solar panels for which there is no demand. Solyndra had a plant that was running at two-thirds capacity. So the government invested $535 million to build a plant that would have five times the capacity of the old plant. The justification was in terms of jobs, no profit.
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10/3/2011 11:10:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/3/2011 10:45:37 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
Instead of investing in a copper mine, the story can be updated by investing in a plant to manufacture solar panels for which there is no demand. Solyndra had a plant that was running at two-thirds capacity. So the government invested $535 million to build a plant that would have five times the capacity of the old plant. The justification was in terms of jobs, no profit.

Was that the company that went bankrupt with our money?