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Myrant
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9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM
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According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

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9/28/2011 5:49:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?:

It is if you're a bleeding-heart liberal, where racism only flows in one direction.

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9/28/2011 5:51:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

Thoughts?

Double Standard

Black Racism is called strength and unnity...

White Racism is called disgusting and vile...
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Myrant
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9/28/2011 5:52:59 PM
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The "race" card is played almost everyday - Morgan freeman did it what, a day or two ago?

If Obama loses (or wins) it will certainly be an issue. Does this hurt or help Obama?
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9/28/2011 6:14:28 PM
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You do realize that African Americans in the United States have been voting Democratic (or at least the modern democratic ideal, once held by republicans) since reconstruction right? Ignorance prevails yet again.

Also, not that I condone it or anything of the sort, but I don't think a white person has the basis to make such a complaint as this simply because you cannot erase history, and there are white biases already throughout America, however subtle and ignored. I don't think we should perpetuate such sharp racial distinctions and the tension that comes with it. There really should not be black and white people. They are obviously of different colors and sometimes different cultures, and that is a fact, but there is no need to capitalize and emphasize this fact to the point that humanity is divided and at psychological, racial war.
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9/28/2011 6:16:56 PM
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At 9/28/2011 6:01:54 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Except blacks typically vote democratic anyways

In 2004, with a white Democrat, Blacks made up 11% of the vote and 88% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, with a Black Democrat, Black made up 13% of the vote and 95% voted for Barack Obama.

Obama brought a larger black turnout and got a larger share of the black vote.

Now, look at whites:

In 2004, with a white Democrat, whites made up 77% of the vote and 41% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, with a Black Democrat, whites made up 74% of the vote and 43% voted for Barack Obama.

Now, as you'll notice a higher percentage of whites voted for Barack Obama, who was black, than John Kerry, who was white.

(the reason that that whites had a smaller share of the 2008 vote is high turnout from blacks and a growing Hispanic population)

It seems that blacks base their votes ( a little bit) on racism, while whites do not.
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9/28/2011 6:20:24 PM
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At 9/28/2011 6:01:54 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Except blacks typically vote democratic anyways

Considering that the economic conditions have gotten disproportionately worse for African Americans (compared to whites) since Obama took office - do you think it will have any significant impact on the AA vote?
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9/28/2011 6:27:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2011 6:14:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
You do realize that African Americans in the United States have been voting Democratic (or at least the modern democratic ideal, once held by republicans) since reconstruction right? Ignorance prevails yet again.

Also, not that I condone it or anything of the sort, but I don't think a white person has the basis to make such a complaint as this simply because you cannot erase history, and there are white biases already throughout America, however subtle and ignored. I don't think we should perpetuate such sharp racial distinctions and the tension that comes with it. There really should not be black and white people. They are obviously of different colors and sometimes different cultures, and that is a fact, but there is no need to capitalize and emphasize this fact to the point that humanity is divided and at psychological, racial war.

What? Not sure who you are responding to? Yes, it seems to be established that African Americans tend to vote for Democrats. What ignorance is prevailing?

Which complaint are you reffering to? Just asking.
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9/28/2011 6:28:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Also, not that I condone it or anything of the sort, but I don't think a white person has the basis to make such a complaint as this simply because you cannot erase history:

But should a white person today suffer for what his/her ancestors might have done 250 years ago? (I say might because they could be Polish and had nothing to do with slavery, or because they might be related to abolishionists)

and there are white biases already throughout America:

Sure, but his question seems to be asking if black people should get a pass for being racist?

There really should not be black and white people.:

Agreed, on a philosophical level, but since people are fickle and tend to compartmentalize each other no matter what, we have to deal with the reality.
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9/28/2011 8:31:06 PM
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At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

Thoughts?

Have you established whether blacks vote for Obama because Obama is black or because he is a Democrat and a vast majority of blacks are democrat or some other causal factor?

Racism would be to immediately assume the only condition responsible for a black man voting would be the race of the candidate.

If the white people reported they want a black person in the white house, not a white one, that's pretty straightforward racism.
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9/28/2011 8:32:16 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2011 6:14:28 PM, 000ike wrote:
You do realize that African Americans in the United States have been voting Democratic (or at least the modern democratic ideal, once held by republicans) since reconstruction right? Ignorance prevails yet again.

Also, not that I condone it or anything of the sort, but I don't think a white person has the basis to make such a complaint as this simply because you cannot erase history, and there are white biases already throughout America, however subtle and ignored. I don't think we should perpetuate such sharp racial distinctions and the tension that comes with it. There really should not be black and white people. They are obviously of different colors and sometimes different cultures, and that is a fact, but there is no need to capitalize and emphasize this fact to the point that humanity is divided and at psychological, racial war.

Well....not so much reconstruction as the New Deal. Remember, the south controlled the Dem party for most of the 19th century and some of the 20th century.
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9/28/2011 8:34:28 PM
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At 9/28/2011 6:16:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 9/28/2011 6:01:54 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Except blacks typically vote democratic anyways

In 2004, with a white Democrat, Blacks made up 11% of the vote and 88% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, with a Black Democrat, Black made up 13% of the vote and 95% voted for Barack Obama.

Obama brought a larger black turnout and got a larger share of the black vote.


Now, look at whites:


In 2004, with a white Democrat, whites made up 77% of the vote and 41% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, with a Black Democrat, whites made up 74% of the vote and 43% voted for Barack Obama.


Now, as you'll notice a higher percentage of whites voted for Barack Obama, who was black, than John Kerry, who was white.

(the reason that that whites had a smaller share of the 2008 vote is high turnout from blacks and a growing Hispanic population)

It seems that blacks base their votes ( a little bit) on racism, while whites do not.

You are surprisingly narrow-minded when it comes to interpretting inter-electoral results.

There are framing conditions that effect races. If WAR is the main thing on people's mind, votes will go towards Republicans. If the ECONOMY is the main thing on people's minds, Democrats have a more even advantage.

Guess which ones ruled the public mind?
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9/28/2011 8:45:53 PM
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At 9/28/2011 8:31:06 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

Thoughts?

Have you established whether blacks vote for Obama because Obama is black or because he is a Democrat and a vast majority of blacks are democrat or some other causal factor?

No, but I didn't ask that question. I asked if 96% of white people voted against Obama would it be racist? However, that is a perfectly valid question. There is evidence that many AA's voted for Obama because of race.

Racism would be to immediately assume the only condition responsible for a black man voting would be the race of the candidate.

Many AA's vote without a condition or without an AA candidate. Are you denying that AA's voted for Obama strictly based on merit?

If the white people reported they want a black person in the white house, not a white one, that's pretty straightforward racism.

Agree
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9/28/2011 10:18:09 PM
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At 9/28/2011 8:34:28 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 9/28/2011 6:16:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 9/28/2011 6:01:54 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Except blacks typically vote democratic anyways

In 2004, with a white Democrat, Blacks made up 11% of the vote and 88% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, with a Black Democrat, Black made up 13% of the vote and 95% voted for Barack Obama.

Obama brought a larger black turnout and got a larger share of the black vote.


Now, look at whites:


In 2004, with a white Democrat, whites made up 77% of the vote and 41% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, with a Black Democrat, whites made up 74% of the vote and 43% voted for Barack Obama.


Now, as you'll notice a higher percentage of whites voted for Barack Obama, who was black, than John Kerry, who was white.

(the reason that that whites had a smaller share of the 2008 vote is high turnout from blacks and a growing Hispanic population)

It seems that blacks base their votes ( a little bit) on racism, while whites do not.

You are surprisingly narrow-minded when it comes to interpretting inter-electoral results.

There are framing conditions that effect races. If WAR is the main thing on people's mind, votes will go towards Republicans. If the ECONOMY is the main thing on people's minds, Democrats have a more even advantage.

Guess which ones ruled the public mind?

Ya, but how many Democrats kept on pushing the absurd idea that white racism was some barrier Obama had to "overcome".

That is not always true about the economy. The failure of statism in many areas of the economy leads to people voting for better (more neoliberal) economic policy. Just look at 1980...
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9/29/2011 1:20:41 AM
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At 9/28/2011 8:45:53 PM, Myrant wrote:
At 9/28/2011 8:31:06 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

Thoughts?

Have you established whether blacks vote for Obama because Obama is black or because he is a Democrat and a vast majority of blacks are democrat or some other causal factor?

No, but I didn't ask that question. I asked if 96% of white people voted against Obama would it be racist? However, that is a perfectly valid question. There is evidence that many AA's voted for Obama because of race.

Racism would be to immediately assume the only condition responsible for a black man voting would be the race of the candidate.

Many AA's vote without a condition or without an AA candidate. Are you denying that AA's voted for Obama strictly based on merit?

If the white people reported they want a black person in the white house, not a white one, that's pretty straightforward racism.

Agree

If someone votes for a candidate solely based on race, it's racism.

However, voters also vote for those who are more likely to represent their interests. Obama has built his political career talking about making the world better for blacks in comparison to whites.

Also, you should look at these numbers in perspective. Historically, AA vote is 85-90% Democrat. That means that your targeted group for "race only" would at most be 15% of black voters. It should be noted, however, that these numbers ignore voter MOBILIZATION.

1984 Walter Mondale 90% Ronald Reagan 9%
1988 Michael Dukakis 90% George H.W. Bush 10%
1992 Bill Clinton 83% George H.W. Bush 10%
1996 Bill Clinton 84% Bob Dole 12%
2000 Al Gore 90% George W. Bush 9%

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9/29/2011 9:43:14 AM
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At 9/28/2011 10:18:09 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 9/28/2011 8:34:28 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 9/28/2011 6:16:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 9/28/2011 6:01:54 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Except blacks typically vote democratic anyways

In 2004, with a white Democrat, Blacks made up 11% of the vote and 88% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, with a Black Democrat, Black made up 13% of the vote and 95% voted for Barack Obama.

Obama brought a larger black turnout and got a larger share of the black vote.


Now, look at whites:


In 2004, with a white Democrat, whites made up 77% of the vote and 41% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, with a Black Democrat, whites made up 74% of the vote and 43% voted for Barack Obama.


Now, as you'll notice a higher percentage of whites voted for Barack Obama, who was black, than John Kerry, who was white.

(the reason that that whites had a smaller share of the 2008 vote is high turnout from blacks and a growing Hispanic population)

It seems that blacks base their votes ( a little bit) on racism, while whites do not.

You are surprisingly narrow-minded when it comes to interpretting inter-electoral results.

There are framing conditions that effect races. If WAR is the main thing on people's mind, votes will go towards Republicans. If the ECONOMY is the main thing on people's minds, Democrats have a more even advantage.

Guess which ones ruled the public mind?

Ya, but how many Democrats kept on pushing the absurd idea that white racism was some barrier Obama had to "overcome".

That is not always true about the economy. The failure of statism in many areas of the economy leads to people voting for better (more neoliberal) economic policy. Just look at 1980...

Jim. You sould like the typical Conservatice idiot. A few nights ago you had a media guy name Lawrence O Donnell call out White Conservatives down South.
He referred to them as being misinformed and ignorant. Now in case you havent noticed, this has been the sentiment of the Left Wing Machine, and is almost always comes from people of the same race. Some of them are Jewish. That does not mean they are racist. It means they are callig it what it is.
You cannot accept the fact that the Far Right still has issues with minorites.
And it is self explanatory based on the experiences and mishaps we have seen from that side over the past 10 years. That is their ideology and it has become the
death of them. Blacks voted for Obama because he was the better candidate.
90 percent voted for Clinton. So saying that they only vote by race is idiotic among other things. They vote democrats period. Deal with it !
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9/29/2011 10:52:11 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

Thoughts?

This has already long been addressed.

In 2008, 95-96% of blacks voted for Obama. [1]
In 2004, 88% voted for Kerry. [2]
In 2000, 90% voted for Gore. [3]

This clearly shows that Blacks did not flock to Obama because he is black, but because he is a democrat. While some likely did vote just because he is black, it is only a few percentage points.

Myth busted.

[1] http://www.cnn.com...
[2] http://www.cnn.com...
[3] http://www.pollingreport.com...
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9/29/2011 10:54:00 AM
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At 9/29/2011 10:52:11 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

Thoughts?

This has already long been addressed.

In 2008, 95-96% of blacks voted for Obama. [1]
In 2004, 88% voted for Kerry. [2]
In 2000, 90% voted for Gore. [3]

This clearly shows that Blacks did not flock to Obama because he is black, but because he is a democrat. While some likely did vote just because he is black, it is only a few percentage points.

Myth busted.

[1] http://www.cnn.com...
[2] http://www.cnn.com...
[3] http://www.pollingreport.com...

I want Herman Cain to win the GOP nomination. Then this argument that Blacks only voted for Obama because he is black would come crashing down.
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9/29/2011 11:03:08 AM
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At 9/29/2011 10:54:00 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/29/2011 10:52:11 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

Thoughts?

This has already long been addressed.

In 2008, 95-96% of blacks voted for Obama. [1]
In 2004, 88% voted for Kerry. [2]
In 2000, 90% voted for Gore. [3]

This clearly shows that Blacks did not flock to Obama because he is black, but because he is a democrat. While some likely did vote just because he is black, it is only a few percentage points.

Myth busted.

[1] http://www.cnn.com...
[2] http://www.cnn.com...
[3] http://www.pollingreport.com...

I want Herman Cain to win the GOP nomination. Then this argument that Blacks only voted for Obama because he is black would come crashing down.

I hope you realize that Blacks will NEVER vote for another Black if he is in the
Republican Party. They hated Michael Steele, and this guy is the same.
Just another loud mouth who is desperately seeking attention. Not Susan.
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9/29/2011 11:11:35 AM
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At 9/29/2011 10:54:00 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 9/29/2011 10:52:11 AM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 9/28/2011 5:41:38 PM, Myrant wrote:
According to politico 96% of African Americans voted for Obama in 2008. If 96% of whites vote against Obama in 2012 - is it racist? Is it racist to ask this question?

Thoughts?

This has already long been addressed.

In 2008, 95-96% of blacks voted for Obama. [1]
In 2004, 88% voted for Kerry. [2]
In 2000, 90% voted for Gore. [3]

This clearly shows that Blacks did not flock to Obama because he is black, but because he is a democrat. While some likely did vote just because he is black, it is only a few percentage points.

Myth busted.

[1] http://www.cnn.com...
[2] http://www.cnn.com...
[3] http://www.pollingreport.com...

I want Herman Cain to win the GOP nomination. Then this argument that Blacks only voted for Obama because he is black would come crashing down.

It already has if we look at history.

Going back to Shirley Chisholm, who ran for president in 1972 (placed 4th in the Democrat primaries). She only received 28 delegates. As a symbolic act (which now might be considered racist), Hubert Humphrey released his delegates and sent all the black ones to her, raising her total to 152. This means that 124 black delegates first choice was a white dude.
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