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10/5/2011 3:43:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Herman Cain is now tied with Mitt Romney as a front runner. Rick Perry dropped from 23% to 12% in the past two weeks.

What are your thoughts on Herman Cain? Is he capable of defeating Obama? I certainly would like to see that debate happen because Herman Cain is quite the debater.

If Ron Paul doesn't win, I'd say Herman Cain is a good second choice and perhaps the only other choice.
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10/5/2011 3:52:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 3:43:50 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Herman Cain is now tied with Mitt Romney as a front runner. Rick Perry dropped from 23% to 12% in the past two weeks.

What are your thoughts on Herman Cain? Is he capable of defeating Obama? I certainly would like to see that debate happen because Herman Cain is quite the debater.

If Ron Paul doesn't win, I'd say Herman Cain is a good second choice and perhaps the only other choice.

In the RCP national poll averages, Cain is currently in 2nd, with Perry dropping all the way to 3rd. Cain got a massive boost from the last debate, but I don't see it lasting too long. However, his rapid take off should dis-sway anyone else from jumping into the ring (Christie or Palin, who rumors have been going around that a lawyer that represents her has been contacting states to find registration deadlines).
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10/5/2011 4:07:02 PM
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At 10/5/2011 3:43:50 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Herman Cain is now tied with Mitt Romney as a front runner. Rick Perry dropped from 23% to 12% in the past two weeks.

What are your thoughts on Herman Cain? Is he capable of defeating Obama? I certainly would like to see that debate happen because Herman Cain is quite the debater.

If Ron Paul doesn't win, I'd say Herman Cain is a good second choice and perhaps the only other choice.

To bad he is pushing those regressive taxes! I will not be voting for him...
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10/5/2011 4:13:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I'm still having trouble accepting his policies though. He's certainly better than Romney, Perry, or Bachmann, even Alex Jones himself had to concede that, but I don't know that he's Libertarian enough. He still supports middle east occupation, he wants to keep the Fed, and doesn't want to end the drug war.

I don't know his position on the Patriot Act. I do know that Herman Cain is the only candidate to agree with Ron Paul about the assassinations of American citizens without trial being unConstitutional.

He's good when it comes to the economy and he will appeal the atrocious Obamacare at least.
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10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At least he supports the gold standard.
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10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.
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10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?
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10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
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10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.
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10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM
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At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
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10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.
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10/5/2011 5:26:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

You guessed wrong. Why don't you look at your post and realize that it referred solely to Gold currency before making unfounded accusations?
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: thett was right
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10/5/2011 5:27:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

Bad idea. Trying to force Gold to equal Silver through a solidified exchange rate will create frequent boom bust cycles. The supply and demand of gold vs silver is not solid, it is liquid and constantly changing, therefore, the value of the two, in respect to each other should not be locked down.
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10/5/2011 5:28:24 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:26:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

You guessed wrong. Why don't you look at your post and realize that it referred solely to Gold currency before making unfounded accusations?
Who says the Gold Standard does not approve of alternative metals? If you come up with the argument that we don't have all the needed gold, then don't outrule a solution to that.
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10/5/2011 5:30:58 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:27:34 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
Bad idea. Trying to force Gold to equal Silver through a solidified exchange rate will create frequent boom bust cycles. The supply and demand of gold vs silver is not solid, it is liquid and constantly changing, therefore, the value of the two, in respect to each other should not be locked down.
Ok.

Wanna debate that sometime in the future, sir?
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10/5/2011 5:31:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:28:24 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:26:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

You guessed wrong. Why don't you look at your post and realize that it referred solely to Gold currency before making unfounded accusations?
Who says the Gold Standard does not approve of alternative metals? If you come up with the argument that we don't have all the needed gold, then don't outrule a solution to that.

The gold standard is a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is a fixed mass of gold.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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10/5/2011 5:33:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:27:34 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

Bad idea. Trying to force Gold to equal Silver through a solidified exchange rate will create frequent boom bust cycles. The supply and demand of gold vs silver is not solid, it is liquid and constantly changing, therefore, the value of the two, in respect to each other should not be locked down.

I don't think the idea of bimetalism is for the two metals to always have a constant relative value, but for a currency to be backed by a combination of both metals so that a change in the value of one can be buffered by consistency in the other.
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10/5/2011 5:34:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:31:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:28:24 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:26:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

You guessed wrong. Why don't you look at your post and realize that it referred solely to Gold currency before making unfounded accusations?
Who says the Gold Standard does not approve of alternative metals? If you come up with the argument that we don't have all the needed gold, then don't outrule a solution to that.

The gold standard is a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is a fixed mass of gold.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Ah, read your source before copy-pasting it?

"Similarly, the gold exchange standard typically involves the circulation of only coins made of silver or other metals"

Nothing outrules the possibility of other metals being used in trade when there is a gold standard applied.
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10/5/2011 5:35:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:27:34 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

Bad idea. Trying to force Gold to equal Silver through a solidified exchange rate will create frequent boom bust cycles. The supply and demand of gold vs silver is not solid, it is liquid and constantly changing, therefore, the value of the two, in respect to each other should not be locked down.

What would be better would be a Precious Metal Standard (unfortunately called, PMS >.<).

Bimetallism basically says $1,000 = 1 oz of gold and $1,000 = 3 oz of silver. The bad thing is that this means that it is also saying that 1 oz of gold = 3 oz of silver. That means that if a silver vein is found so the supply of silver shoots up (and so the value of it drops) people can switch to gold without being harmed. In the end, the government gets stuck with the loss.

A better option would be, $2,000 = 1 oz gold + 3 oz silver. This allows gold to have a degree of fluid value against silver. For example, 1 oz of gold could be $1,300 and so 3 oz of silver would be $700. Then if a gold vein was found, the value of gold would go down and the value of silver would go up.

Of course, you include more presious metals to create more fluidness, all the while still having something solid to back up the money supply.
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10/5/2011 5:37:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:33:15 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:27:34 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

Bad idea. Trying to force Gold to equal Silver through a solidified exchange rate will create frequent boom bust cycles. The supply and demand of gold vs silver is not solid, it is liquid and constantly changing, therefore, the value of the two, in respect to each other should not be locked down.

I don't think the idea of bimetalism is for the two metals to always have a constant relative value, but for a currency to be backed by a combination of both metals so that a change in the value of one can be buffered by consistency in the other.

According to Wiki it is "In economics, bimetallism is a monetary standard in which the value of the monetary unit is defined as equivalent both to a certain quantity of gold and to a certain quantity of silver; such a system establishes a fixed rate of exchange between the two metals."

Now, I understand that wiki can be changed and can be wrong. So in my previous post, I mentioned the two different options. If they are free to change in value against each other, I support them, if not, I don't.
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10/5/2011 5:39:04 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
I like Cain. He has a remarkable background as a corporate turnaround expert, and he worked as a mathematician in the military. I think he's right that know how to lead is he most important attribute of a president. He's smart enough to know what he doesn't know, e.g. foreign policy, so I'd trust him to rely on specialists in such things. Cain's honest directness is especially appealing in contrast to our current President, who has no skill beyond posturing for political gain. I think that's at the heart of Cain's appeal.

Cain likes Gingrich. Those are the two most intelligent GOP candidates, I think. Leadership ability is more important than intelligence, but still, it's interesting.

The gold standard relies upon the supply of gold to increase at the same rates a economic growth. If it doesn't match, there is either inflation or deflation. That's a foolish dependence on the advance of mining technology. When the Spanish returned vast quantities of gold from the New World, they suffered one of the worse periods of inflation in history. Milton Friedman advocated that the Fed e replaced by a formula that automatically matched the money supply to growth. I think that's a good approach.
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10/5/2011 5:41:33 PM
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At 10/5/2011 5:34:48 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:31:15 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:28:24 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:26:18 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:22:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:19:53 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:17:25 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/5/2011 5:02:46 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:57:49 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:55:28 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 10/5/2011 4:44:13 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At least he supports the gold standard.

Lol no he doesn't. No sane politician supports the Gold standard. It's just a bid for votes.

Is the gold standard a good thing?

That's a good question. But with a massive national debt, and the USD as a reserve currency it would be impossible or damn near close to it to implement such a thing. Besides, when we did have a Gold standard it was abused anyway. (Executive order 6102 anyone?)
How much do you know about the gold standard? You know the inflation rate of gold currency? Over say, 500 years? Guess.

Do you know how much Gold is in the world? Guess. I'm not saying Gold is bad for an investment, or currency in times past, but unless we want to jack up the price to an absurd amount it simply isn't feasible.
I guess you haven't heard of bimetallism.

You guessed wrong. Why don't you look at your post and realize that it referred solely to Gold currency before making unfounded accusations?
Who says the Gold Standard does not approve of alternative metals? If you come up with the argument that we don't have all the needed gold, then don't outrule a solution to that.

The gold standard is a monetary system in which the standard economic unit of account is a fixed mass of gold.

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"Similarly, the gold exchange standard typically involves the circulation of only coins made of silver or other metals"

Nothing outrules the possibility of other metals being used in trade when there is a gold standard applied.

"Similarly, the gold exchange standard typically involves the circulation of only coins made of silver or other metals"

I wasn't trying to say that it had to be ONLY Gold, but since Gold is the fundamental part (hence the name, Gold standard) an argument that there is not enough Gold is still a reason to be against the Gold standard.
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10/5/2011 7:12:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Herman Cain doesn't have much of a chance. Never in history has a man without any political experience become president of the united states. Herman Cain is a great businessman, but that doesn't necessarily translate into a politician. His 9-9-9 plan just sounds like a giant pizza advertisement.

I don't understand why Ron Paul doesn't get much attention in mainstream media. It would be nice to state that the reason Ron Paul doesn't get media attention is because the establishment is scared of him, however Jon Steward, Judge Napolitano and John Stossel have all covered him quite extensively, and these shows are watched by millions. So, its more of a selective bias towards him.
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10/5/2011 7:19:12 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 7:12:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Herman Cain doesn't have much of a chance. Never in history has a man without any political experience become president of the united states. Herman Cain is a great businessman, but that doesn't necessarily translate into a politician. His 9-9-9 plan just sounds like a giant pizza advertisement.

I don't understand why Ron Paul doesn't get much attention in mainstream media. It would be nice to state that the reason Ron Paul doesn't get media attention is because the establishment is scared of him, however Jon Steward, Judge Napolitano and John Stossel have all covered him quite extensively, and these shows are watched by millions. So, its more of a selective bias towards him.

The reason is because his opions are not very popular. While is supporters are hella loud, they are not large in numbers.

As you've said, he's been on several shows that are watched by millions, but his numbers are flat lined. In all the changes that happened (Perry falling to third, Cain jumping to second, Romney retaking first), Paul's numbers remain low and are even dropping (now at 7.0% and in 5th). He has all the support that he is going to get. As other people pull out and their supporters look for a new candidate, none of them are going to go to Paul. I'd be so bold as to say that when this ends, he won't get more than 10% of the popular vote in the primary, and at no point will he have more than 12% in the RCP poll averages (current highest point was 9.8%).
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10/5/2011 9:40:41 PM
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At 10/5/2011 7:12:19 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Herman Cain doesn't have much of a chance. Never in history has a man without any political experience

He was chairman of the Federal Reserve and mathematician for the military. I'd say that counts as political experience.
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10/5/2011 9:43:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:39:04 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
I like Cain. He has a remarkable background as a corporate turnaround expert, and he worked as a mathematician in the military. I think he's right that know how to lead is he most important attribute of a president. He's smart enough to know what he doesn't know, e.g. foreign policy, so I'd trust him to rely on specialists in such things. Cain's honest directness is especially appealing in contrast to our current President, who has no skill beyond posturing for political gain. I think that's at the heart of Cain's appeal.

Cain likes Gingrich. Those are the two most intelligent GOP candidates, I think. Leadership ability is more important than intelligence, but still, it's interesting.

The gold standard relies upon the supply of gold to increase at the same rates a economic growth. If it doesn't match, there is either inflation or deflation. That's a foolish dependence on the advance of mining technology. When the Spanish returned vast quantities of gold from the New World, they suffered one of the worse periods of inflation in history. Milton Friedman advocated that the Fed e replaced by a formula that automatically matched the money supply to growth. I think that's a good approach.

Whats wrong with having our Currency have actualy,intrinsic value?
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10/5/2011 10:44:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 3:43:50 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote
If Ron Paul doesn't win, I'd say Herman Cain is a good second choice and perhaps the only other choice.

Wow Geo, honestly can't believe you'd say that considering you're a Ron Paul supporter.

I honestly wish I could agree. However, though he may be better than Romney, Perry, and Bachmann, consider the following:

1) He's held no political office. Zero. I mean come on, President of the United States without ever holding political office? People called Obama inexperienced because he was a new Senator with only 3 years in office... I'm not saying you have to be a "professional politician", but let's face it, there's a whole lot of the political world that he just hasn't dealt with. That's a problem when you're President of America. How would he work with Democrats, for instance? If he had some experience in politics we could look at his record to see if he's ever accomplished anything with some bipartisan support. What does he know about the Constitution? U.S. history? Economic history? These are things he would have undoubtedly picked up on, at least a little bit, had he been involved in politics as a Congressman, Senator, Governor, or any political office.

2) On July 18, 2011, Cain declared that communities in the United States had the "right" to ban mosques. He justified his view by arguing that Muslims are trying to implement Shariah law within the U.S.

3) Supported TARP bailouts. Scolded the "Free market purists" who didn't.

4) ZERO foreign policy! Do you understand how dangerous it would be to have a Commander-in-chief who doesn't have much substantial opinion on U.S. foreign policy? I'm willing to wager most active members on this website have 100x better foreign policy than he does. Mainly because his is nonexistent! What else would anyone expect from a successful businessman who's never been seriously involved in politics, or anything that would require him to even consider U.S. foreign policy?

But from the tiny amount of statements he's given regarding foreign policy,, we do know that he supports the military presence in Afghanistan, and he does NOT believe we should set a time for withdrawal from Iraq because it would be "surrender". How could a Ron Paul supporter be okay with that?

5) "If You Mess With Israel, You're Messing With the USA" - Herman Cain. Considering Ron Paul wants to end all foreign aid because a) it's not in our self-interest b) we just don't have the money c) it's consistent with his non-interventionist foreign policy, I do not understand how you could possibly support this.

6) Herman Cain does not believe an audit of the Federal Reserve is necessary. He resents that Ron Paul supporters criticize him for having no real stance on the issue. Considering the Federal Reserve is the root of our financial problems, that's not something I want to hear from the President of the United States.

7) And this is arguably the scariest of them all. One week before the financial collapse in 2008, Herman Cain said the economy was in great shape. He laughed at what he called the "imaginary recession." How could anyone support someone who is so clueless about the economy? As Thomas Woods said a recent post exposing the problems with Herman Cain:

"I am not asking him to tell me who will win the World Series in 2045. I am asking him to understand what makes the economy go up and down, something I would expect him to know if he wants to be president. I am asking him to be able to perceive that the economy is about to tank in less than a week."

Geo, you know Ron Paul predicted the collapse of the housing bubbles years before it happened, when almost unanimously everybody rejected him as some sort of kook. It makes no sense that you could say anything remotely praiseworthy of a candidate who might as well be the antithesis of Paul=

- He's never been involved in politics in Washington, while Ron Paul has been for 30 years. This has provided him with an understanding of the history of the U.S. government and he has also proven himself capable of working with Democratic politicians on legislation.
- He supported the TARP bailouts, lecturing what he called "free market purists" like Paul who staunchly opposed them.
- He fails to understand the history of U.S. foreign policy or anything substantial on foreign policy at all; Ron Paul is aware of the entire history of U.S foreign policy, including the foreign policies of other nations like Russia and Rome, which gives him insight into what works and what doesn't.
- He doesn't see the Fed for the problem that it is. Paul does, and he's brought the problem of the Federal Reserve system into the spotlight.
- He was entirely clueless about the impending financial crisis in 2008 when Paul saw it coming years in advance.

My question to you - How the hell can you support somebody whose opinions on so many issues are literally antithetical to Ron Paul's, which you readily identify with?

No supporter of Ron Paul should support Herman Cain. It just makes absolutely no sense, I'm sorry.
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10/5/2011 10:52:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 10:44:23 PM, jat93 wrote:
7) And this is arguably the scariest of them all. One week before the financial collapse in 2008, Herman Cain said the economy was in great shape. He laughed at what he called the "imaginary recession." How could anyone support someone who is so clueless about the economy? As Thomas Woods said a recent post exposing the problems with Herman Cain:

When I first saw that, I thought, "This guy probably reads Thomas Woods." And he does.
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10/5/2011 10:56:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 10:52:23 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 10/5/2011 10:44:23 PM, jat93 wrote:
7) And this is arguably the scariest of them all. One week before the financial collapse in 2008, Herman Cain said the economy was in great shape. He laughed at what he called the "imaginary recession." How could anyone support someone who is so clueless about the economy? As Thomas Woods said a recent post exposing the problems with Herman Cain:

When I first saw that, I thought, "This guy probably reads Thomas Woods." And he does.

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10/5/2011 10:56:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/5/2011 5:39:04 PM, RoyLatham wrote:

Cain likes Gingrich. Those are the two most intelligent GOP candidates, I think.

Haha. And Perry thinks that the perfect VP candidate would be the result of Cain and Gingrich mating, so does that make Perry even better?

Seriously speaking though, I think as far as intelligence goes, you can't really debate that Ron Paul wins on that one. He's just so well-read. If you read his book The Revolution: A Manifesto you see the diversity of the academia that he quotes, and at the end he has a very, very extensive reading list for a more "free and prosperous America" which covers just about everything political, historical, and economic.

This is a guy who predicted the financial crisis of 1987 in 1983, when nobody else did. This is a guy who predicted 9/11 (rather a 9/11 like terrorist event) and warned of it for years beforehand. This is a guy who predicted the collapse of the housing bubble years before it burst in 2008. It's because he's so well read, and he is without a doubt the most well versed in anything historical, be it the history of America foreign policy, the history of other nations' foreign policies and what brought them down/what led to success, the history of American economic policy, and really the entire history of America. He just knows it all, so he know what has worked and what has failed. I can give you extensive proof of his extensive knowledge of everything historical if you aren't aware of it.

Since a key characteristic of an intelligent President is to understand, based on past events, what has worked to create freedom and prosperity, and what has failed, I think it's safe to say that Paul is the most intelligent one in the field. Aside from Gingrich he's really the only "intellectual." Many of his answers demonstrate an impressive understanding of philosophy, history, and economics rolled into one.