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Lordknukle
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10/20/2011 9:59:16 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
What is the point of foreign aid?
Countries cannot learn to be independent with massive help from other countries.
Our country is screwed up. Fix it first before helping other countries.

Man up, don't give them aid, and things will be better in the long run.
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BlackVoid
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10/20/2011 11:52:36 AM
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Agree, but for different reasons. Every million dollars we send to someone else is a million dollars less we have to solve our own problems.
Kinesis
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10/20/2011 12:00:52 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 11:52:36 AM, BlackVoid wrote:
Agree, but for different reasons. Every million dollars we send to someone else is a million dollars less we have to solve our own problems.

Tribal much?
Lordknukle
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10/20/2011 12:03:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 11:52:36 AM, BlackVoid wrote:
Agree, but for different reasons. Every million dollars we send to someone else is a million dollars less we have to solve our own problems.

Pretty much what I said. Fix our problems first, then fix other's problems.
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Kinesis
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10/20/2011 12:04:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 9:59:16 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
What is the point of foreign aid?

Helping people who are dying of horrible diseases and starvation?

Countries cannot learn to be independent with massive help from other countries.

This is an issue. Foreign aid shouldn't just be food - it should be help building infrastructure and eliminating diseases.

Our country is screwed up. Fix it first before helping other countries.

Other countries are far, far, far more screwed up than america.

Man up, don't give them aid, and things will be better in the long run.

Why?
Kinesis
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10/20/2011 12:06:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 12:03:20 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Pretty much what I said. Fix our problems first, then fix other's problems.

The problems Americans deal with typically are in a different league than the problems people from undeveloped countries do. They have far more pressing problems.
Lordknukle
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10/20/2011 12:14:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 12:06:39 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 10/20/2011 12:03:20 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Pretty much what I said. Fix our problems first, then fix other's problems.

The problems Americans deal with typically are in a different league than the problems people from undeveloped countries do. They have far more pressing problems.

Please define "more pressing problems". A few months ago, the U.S. was on the verge of a default which would launch the whole world in a recession.

Somehow, we fixed our problems in the 200+ years that the U.S existed. Why can't they? Sometimes natural selection just has to take its course.

"Survival of the fittest"
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10/20/2011 12:41:38 PM
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The point of 'foreign aid' is often to buy the cooperation of corrupt officials in a country for something.

Certainly not to solve hunger or wtfever. Does hunger look like foreign aid's had much effect on it?
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Lordknukle
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10/20/2011 12:43:11 PM
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At 10/20/2011 12:41:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The point of 'foreign aid' is often to buy the cooperation of corrupt officials in a country for something.

Certainly not to solve hunger or wtfever. Does hunger look like foreign aid's had much effect on it?

Whats the point of buying cooperation of officials thousands of miles away in Africa?
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Kinesis
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10/20/2011 12:58:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 12:14:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Somehow, we fixed our problems in the 200+ years that the U.S existed. Why can't they? Sometimes natural selection just has to take its course.

"Survival of the fittest"
-Charles Darwin

Interesting. A real social darwinist.
Lordknukle
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10/20/2011 1:06:31 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 12:58:35 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 10/20/2011 12:14:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Somehow, we fixed our problems in the 200+ years that the U.S existed. Why can't they? Sometimes natural selection just has to take its course.

"Survival of the fittest"
-Charles Darwin

Interesting. A real social darwinist.

Moral Nihilism,Social Darwinism, and Utilitarianism would be an interesting combination.
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10/20/2011 1:07:32 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 12:43:11 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/20/2011 12:41:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The point of 'foreign aid' is often to buy the cooperation of corrupt officials in a country for something.

Certainly not to solve hunger or wtfever. Does hunger look like foreign aid's had much effect on it?

Whats the point of buying cooperation of officials thousands of miles away in Africa?

So they dont bomb our buildings or send pirates?
Lordknukle
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10/20/2011 1:11:40 PM
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At 10/20/2011 1:07:32 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/20/2011 12:43:11 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/20/2011 12:41:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The point of 'foreign aid' is often to buy the cooperation of corrupt officials in a country for something.

Certainly not to solve hunger or wtfever. Does hunger look like foreign aid's had much effect on it?

Whats the point of buying cooperation of officials thousands of miles away in Africa?

So they dont bomb our buildings or send pirates?

A third world country that can barely feeds its own people is going to sent small pirate boats across the Atlantic to attack the U.S.? I want to see them try.
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JuiceSqueeze
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10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
foreign aid is not "stupid."

foreign aid is designed to project US power and influence over the world. foreign aid budget is about 45 billion i think, quite a lot in real numbers but % of GDP it is not a lot compared to european and muslim states.

there is no such thing as a free lunch. if foreign aid was designed to help other nations and not benefit the US we would be giving billions to the DRC.
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10/20/2011 2:44:35 PM
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although i think ragnar is right in reality, i agree with pretty much everything kinesis said. we should try to reform the way we do aid, just giving food is not the best way to give aid.

they need ways to produce and transport their own food and medicine. birth control should be taught/given as well, because if they get to the point where they can feed the 15million kids starving to death each year but then they all have a bunch of kids, then in the future we'll just have the problem of say 150m kids starving each year.
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10/20/2011 2:46:33 PM
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Certain types of aid are certainly very counter productive. They can often exacerbate poverty in the long run. (Quite aside from the obvious issue of the stolen money not even partially going to the victims =P )
However, there are many charities which deal in foreign aid that I have a great deal of respect for. I believe this is another case of "if government dun does dat thing, it gunna suck, muthersausage"
Wnope
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10/20/2011 4:19:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 1:07:32 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 10/20/2011 12:43:11 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/20/2011 12:41:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The point of 'foreign aid' is often to buy the cooperation of corrupt officials in a country for something.

Certainly not to solve hunger or wtfever. Does hunger look like foreign aid's had much effect on it?

Whats the point of buying cooperation of officials thousands of miles away in Africa?

So they dont bomb our buildings or send pirates?

Except....they still do.
PARADIGM_L0ST
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10/21/2011 10:11:45 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Foreign Aid is nothing short of bribery, where the intended aid is swallowed up by corrupt politicians.

That said, I hate Monday's

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marcuscato
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10/21/2011 12:18:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/20/2011 12:41:38 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The point of 'foreign aid' is often to buy the cooperation of corrupt officials in a country for something.

Certainly not to solve hunger or wtfever. Does hunger look like foreign aid's had much effect on it?

This, and the stuff kinesis posted.

Extract from a related article:(300million pound aid given to India by England)
What could make the task of the visiting delegation either easier or more difficult are two awkward facts. First, the £300 million constitutes less than 1% the state and Union governments' spend on health and welfare schemes. This makes the emotional claims of aspecial British role in preventing a Darfur in Darbhanga seem contrived, if not self-serving . Second, and this is something Britons burdened with post-colonial angst find unpalatable , India has clearly indicated it will be unmoved if the £300 million of British taxpayers' money is spent elsewhere. This doesn't indicate India's "ingratitude" , as one Times columnist angrily suggested, but it does suggest realism and a rejection of a selfdegrading entitlement culture.

The Times refers to Times of India(newspaper), not to be confused with the magazine.
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com...
Double_R
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10/21/2011 2:05:14 PM
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My issue with foreign aid is the fact that we do not have the money to begin with. As everyone knows we are 14 trillion dollars in debt. This means that we are barrowing the money from one country to give it to another, then paying the interest. Imagine if China decided that they were going to give 100 million dollars to Haiti, then charge the US interest on it. This would make no sense, yet this is exactly what is happening.
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10/21/2011 5:26:44 PM
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At 10/21/2011 2:05:14 PM, Double_R wrote:
My issue with foreign aid is the fact that we do not have the money to begin with. As everyone knows we are 14 trillion dollars in debt. This means that we are barrowing the money from one country to give it to another, then paying the interest. Imagine if China decided that they were going to give 100 million dollars to Haiti, then charge the US interest on it. This would make no sense, yet this is exactly what is happening.

That's fine if the US agrees to it. Sure, it would be a lot better if China just provided the aid, and in many cases they do provide a little.
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Kinesis
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10/21/2011 5:36:20 PM
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At 10/21/2011 2:05:14 PM, Double_R wrote:
My issue with foreign aid is the fact that we do not have the money to begin with. As everyone knows we are 14 trillion dollars in debt.

Well it wouldn't be a problem if your president and previous president hadn't decided to spent you into the colossal pit of debt you're in now.
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10/21/2011 5:38:58 PM
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At 10/21/2011 5:36:20 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 10/21/2011 2:05:14 PM, Double_R wrote:
My issue with foreign aid is the fact that we do not have the money to begin with. As everyone knows we are 14 trillion dollars in debt.

Well it wouldn't be a problem if your president and previous president hadn't decided to spent you into the colossal pit of debt you're in now.

Also, Why should Haiti be thrown under the bus for the US's neglect? If anything, the people that have been voting in these bad policies should be the ones to pay the price for correcting them.
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