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GeoLaureate8
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10/27/2011 2:35:30 PM
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Brett Baier: "What would your tax plan be?"

Ron Paul: "0-0-0"

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10/27/2011 2:40:53 PM
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At 10/27/2011 2:35:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Brett Baier: "What would your tax plan be?"

Ron Paul: "0-0-0"

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Classic.
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10/27/2011 2:41:17 PM
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Unrealistic Libertarian proposition....what else is new?
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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10/27/2011 2:52:15 PM
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At 10/27/2011 2:41:17 PM, 000ike wrote:
Unrealistic Libertarian proposition....what else is new?

Why not realistic? Its not like there's no revenue for government. There's still the state tax and Ron Paul would rely on excise taxes and non-protectionist tariffs.

The difference with Ron Pauls tax plan as opposed to others is that his taxes don't require initiatory coercion against people and using IRS agents to force and harrass people.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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10/27/2011 2:55:06 PM
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At 10/27/2011 2:52:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:41:17 PM, 000ike wrote:
Unrealistic Libertarian proposition....what else is new?

Why not realistic? Its not like there's no revenue for government. There's still the state tax and Ron Paul would rely on excise taxes and non-protectionist tariffs.

The difference with Ron Pauls tax plan as opposed to others is that his taxes don't require initiatory coercion against people and using IRS agents to force and harrass people.

How is that enough money for the government to effectively fulfill it's obligations?
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10/27/2011 2:59:16 PM
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At 10/27/2011 2:55:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
How is that enough money for the government to effectively fulfill it's obligations?

I think the accepted answer to that is to limit the government's obligations.
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10/27/2011 3:00:07 PM
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At 10/27/2011 2:55:06 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:52:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:41:17 PM, 000ike wrote:
Unrealistic Libertarian proposition....what else is new?

Why not realistic? Its not like there's no revenue for government. There's still the state tax and Ron Paul would rely on excise taxes and non-protectionist tariffs.

The difference with Ron Pauls tax plan as opposed to others is that his taxes don't require initiatory coercion against people and using IRS agents to force and harrass people.

How is that enough money for the government to effectively fulfill it's obligations?

That's the point. The government shouldn't have all that money. That's why Ron Paul supports a balanced budget that the government can't exceed so it can't overspend. If the government has spending limits, it can't spend money on enslaving us and can only serve fundamental functions.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
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10/27/2011 3:01:50 PM
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At 10/27/2011 2:52:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:41:17 PM, 000ike wrote:
Unrealistic Libertarian proposition....what else is new?

Why not realistic? Its not like there's no revenue for government. There's still the state tax and Ron Paul would rely on excise taxes and non-protectionist tariffs.

The difference with Ron Pauls tax plan as opposed to others is that his taxes don't require initiatory coercion against people and using IRS agents to force and harrass people.

Then is tax plan isn't really "0-0-0" now is it?
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10/27/2011 4:12:59 PM
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At 10/27/2011 3:01:50 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:52:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:41:17 PM, 000ike wrote:
Unrealistic Libertarian proposition....what else is new?

Why not realistic? Its not like there's no revenue for government. There's still the state tax and Ron Paul would rely on excise taxes and non-protectionist tariffs.

The difference with Ron Pauls tax plan as opposed to others is that his taxes don't require initiatory coercion against people and using IRS agents to force and harrass people.

Then is tax plan isn't really "0-0-0" now is it?

0% income tax, 0% corporate tax, 0% sales tax. Therefore, 0-0-0.
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10/27/2011 5:00:42 PM
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At 10/27/2011 4:12:59 PM, mongeese wrote:
At 10/27/2011 3:01:50 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:52:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:41:17 PM, 000ike wrote:
Unrealistic Libertarian proposition....what else is new?

Why not realistic? Its not like there's no revenue for government. There's still the state tax and Ron Paul would rely on excise taxes and non-protectionist tariffs.

The difference with Ron Pauls tax plan as opposed to others is that his taxes don't require initiatory coercion against people and using IRS agents to force and harrass people.

Then is tax plan isn't really "0-0-0" now is it?

0% income tax, 0% corporate tax, 0% sales tax. Therefore, 0-0-0.

That's not a complete tax plan if he plans on using other taxes and tarriffs. He's intentionally hiding part of it (in order to make a sound bite).
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10/27/2011 5:22:39 PM
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At 10/27/2011 2:52:15 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:41:17 PM, 000ike wrote:
Unrealistic Libertarian proposition....what else is new?

Why not realistic? Its not like there's no revenue for government. There's still the state tax and Ron Paul would rely on excise taxes and non-protectionist tariffs.

The difference with Ron Pauls tax plan as opposed to others is that his taxes don't require initiatory coercion against people and using IRS agents to force and harrass people.

State tax does not contribute to Federal revenues.
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10/27/2011 5:26:25 PM
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At 10/27/2011 2:35:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Brett Baier: "What would your tax plan be?"

Ron Paul: "0-0-0"

From Fox News Center Seat

There are other forms of Taxes, such as tariffs.

There are also other sources of revenue.
Lotto's are able to produce a large revenue, and the founders often used this to produce revenue in replace of taxation.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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10/27/2011 5:33:05 PM
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Isn't a lotto just a tax where only a few people benefit?
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

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10/27/2011 5:33:25 PM
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How is that enough money for the government to effectively fulfill it's obligations?:

By getting rid of the hundreds of useless programs that drain money. Feel free to peruse these at your leisure, and then tell me in all honesty that we need nonsense like (but not limited to) the National Endowment of the Arts.

http://www.usa.gov...
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10/27/2011 5:34:02 PM
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At 10/27/2011 5:33:05 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Isn't a lotto just a tax where only a few people benefit?

No it's a gambling service, which people may volunteer to buy a ticket in the hopes of winning.
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10/27/2011 5:38:42 PM
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At 10/27/2011 5:26:25 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:35:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Brett Baier: "What would your tax plan be?"

Ron Paul: "0-0-0"

From Fox News Center Seat

There are other forms of Taxes, such as tariffs.

There are also other sources of revenue.
Lotto's are able to produce a large revenue, and the founders often used this to produce revenue in replace of taxation.

Until the 16th amendment, the only taxes allowed was sales taxes, and tariffs.
"Chemical weapons are no different than any other types of weapons."~Lordknukle
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10/27/2011 5:50:47 PM
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At 10/27/2011 5:26:25 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/27/2011 2:35:30 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Brett Baier: "What would your tax plan be?"

Ron Paul: "0-0-0"

From Fox News Center Seat

There are other forms of Taxes, such as tariffs.

There are also other sources of revenue.

Yeah, no kidding. I just said that on the first page.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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10/27/2011 5:53:05 PM
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At 10/27/2011 5:33:05 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Isn't a lotto just a tax where only a few people benefit?

Taxes are involuntary. The lottery is voluntary.
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10/27/2011 6:19:53 PM
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Why don't we raise corporate taxes, readjust income taxes such that the taxes on the upper brackets and lower brackets are slightly higher, and the taxes in the middle brackets are lower?

Seems to be fair. Most of society's resources are eaten up by businesses, and the rest is eaten up by poor people who contribute nothing. It makes sense that taxes should be increased for both of these groups.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
GeoLaureate8
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10/27/2011 6:28:15 PM
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At 10/27/2011 5:00:42 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 10/27/2011 4:12:59 PM, mongeese wrote:
0% income tax, 0% corporate tax, 0% sales tax. Therefore, 0-0-0.

That's not a complete tax plan if he plans on using other taxes and tarriffs. He's intentionally hiding part of it (in order to make a sound bite).

Wrong. It is true that his plan will be 0-0-0. If the slots are incometax-corporatetax-salestax then it is completely and wholly accurate for Ron Paul to say 0-0-0.

He's not intentionally hiding anything. In fact, he'd probably be more than happy to tell people that he plans an excise tax and non-protectionist tariff because people will ask, how does the government get revenue. That's how.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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10/28/2011 12:03:55 AM
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My tax plan is

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10/28/2011 12:07:15 PM
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At 10/27/2011 5:33:05 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Isn't a lotto just a tax where only a few people benefit?

It's probably not feasible but I've always loved the idea of the Government being given the monopoly over a single state lottery, no taxation, just revenue raised by the voluntary sale of lottery tickets.
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10/28/2011 9:46:43 PM
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Wooo vote Ron Paul !!!!!!!
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10/28/2011 10:15:22 PM
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At 10/27/2011 6:19:53 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Why don't we raise corporate taxes, readjust income taxes such that the taxes on the upper brackets and lower brackets are slightly higher, and the taxes in the middle brackets are lower?

Seems to be fair. Most of society's resources are eaten up by businesses, and the rest is eaten up by poor people who contribute nothing. It makes sense that taxes should be increased for both of these groups.

depends on how you define fair.
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10/28/2011 10:27:27 PM
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At 10/28/2011 12:07:15 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 10/27/2011 5:33:05 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Isn't a lotto just a tax where only a few people benefit?

It's probably not feasible but I've always loved the idea of the Government being given the monopoly over a single state lottery, no taxation, just revenue raised by the voluntary sale of lottery tickets.

New Hampshire Lotto generated $234,087,214 in the FY of 2010

With $138,907 thousand in prizes.
http://www.nhlottery.com...
http://www.nhlottery.com...
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10/28/2011 10:31:30 PM
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At 10/28/2011 10:27:27 PM, DanT wrote:
At 10/28/2011 12:07:15 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 10/27/2011 5:33:05 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Isn't a lotto just a tax where only a few people benefit?

It's probably not feasible but I've always loved the idea of the Government being given the monopoly over a single state lottery, no taxation, just revenue raised by the voluntary sale of lottery tickets.

New Hampshire Lotto generated $234,087,214 in the FY of 2010

With $138,907 thousand in prizes.
http://www.nhlottery.com...
http://www.nhlottery.com...

The NH population is 1,324,575 compared to the US's 307,006,550

The US would generated $54,256,125,903.97 if at the same rate.

That's $54.26 billion
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10/29/2011 12:33:13 PM
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You guys need to stop... you're making way too much sense, and it's making Washington uncomfortable.
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