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10/31/2011 7:10:42 PM
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All of America's most respected and revered presidents are, frankly, liberal.

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3. John F. Kennedy

(**4. Barack Obama (eventually)**)

I smell a pattern.
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10/31/2011 7:12:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 7:10:42 PM, 000ike wrote:
All of America's most respected and revered presidents are, frankly, liberal.

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3. John F. Kennedy

(**4. Barack Obama (eventually)**)

I smell a pattern.

I agree with the former three, but I do sense an upcoming war about Obama...especially with Roy who declared that Obama was the worst president of modern times...
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10/31/2011 7:23:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 7:10:42 PM, 000ike wrote:
All of America's most respected and revered presidents are, frankly, liberal.

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3. John F. Kennedy

(**4. Barack Obama (eventually)**)

I smell a pattern.

Ya, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson wouldn't make that list...

Instead, we have Franklin Roosevelt, who oversaw 8 years of economic depression, John F Kennedy, who was a inspirational figure who did very little during his 3 years in office, and Barack Obama, who has been a terrible president by every objective measure.

I'm so glad you put this up...
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10/31/2011 7:30:29 PM
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I love how I would put your top two at about the bottom.
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10/31/2011 7:38:51 PM
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At 10/31/2011 7:23:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:10:42 PM, 000ike wrote:
All of America's most respected and revered presidents are, frankly, liberal.

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3. John F. Kennedy

(**4. Barack Obama (eventually)**)

I smell a pattern.

Ya, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson wouldn't make that list...

Instead, we have Franklin Roosevelt, who oversaw 8 years of economic depression, John F Kennedy, who was a inspirational figure who did very little during his 3 years in office, and Barack Obama, who has been a terrible president by every objective measure.

I'm so glad you put this up...

the founding fathers are not much within the spheres of such ideologies, so your accusation is wholly unfounded. Washington, besides, was moderate and not as respected as the 3 I mentioned, those 3 people actually DID something MAJOR when our nation was in danger.

FURTHERMORE, FDR got us out of a depression with proactive action and fought Mussolini, Hitler, and Japan from a wheelchair. He was proactive, he brought back American spirit. He helped people. What did your friend Hoover do? He believed in "Private initiative" and the depression worsened. Don'r even attempt to discredit FDR after all he did to turn the nation and in some ways, the world, around.

Kennedy fervently campaigned against racism. He was for the Civil Rights Movement, and his death is what brought the nation to its knees to pass the legislation for equality. But of course, you hate fairness and justice and righteousness, don't you?

Lincoln also formed some plans for reconstruction before he was killed, he intended to help the stranded and helpless freemen who, under conservative ideology, would have been left to fend for themselves.

Give me a break, America is a liberal country and it, for the most part, always has been.
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10/31/2011 7:40:18 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 7:10:42 PM, 000ike wrote:
All of America's most respected and revered presidents are, frankly, liberal.

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3. John F. Kennedy

(**4. Barack Obama (eventually)**)

I smell a pattern.

Sure, let's ignore the true democrats of the day: Andrew Jackson ad Grover Cleveland. Let's all praise the social democrats of the 20th Century; those select few who were able to pervert the democratic party from 1920s mild progressivism to socialism. The architects of two knives bleeding America dry today, social security and medicare. You consider them best? FDR was the worst of the 20th century! Him or Johnson.

Anyway, I don't do American politics well enough to do it justice.

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10/31/2011 7:46:01 PM
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At 10/31/2011 7:10:42 PM, 000ike wrote:
All of America's most respected and revered presidents are, frankly, liberal.

1. Abraham Lincoln

Tyrant. He refused to allow the southern states to secede by their own popular sovereignty, instead using force to keep them in a union of which they didn't want to be a part.

2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Tyrant. He took control of America's economy, and created many jobs programs that we simply couldn't afford with the main goal of securing votes for future elections. He also enticed Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor, inciting a war that could easily have been avoided.

3. John F. Kennedy

Did he do anything except get shot? Nothing that I recall.

(**4. Barack Obama (eventually)**)

Ha. The guy who rushed a health care plan through Congress that will inrease the costs of health care, increasing the profits of large insurance companies at the expense of the people, started more wars instead of ending the ones he pledged to end, and more.

I smell a pattern.

So do I. America's worst presidents happened to be liberal. I wouldn't categorize Lincoln as liberal, though - more like authoritarian.
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10/31/2011 7:48:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 7:38:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:23:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:10:42 PM, 000ike wrote:
All of America's most respected and revered presidents are, frankly, liberal.

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3. John F. Kennedy

(**4. Barack Obama (eventually)**)

I smell a pattern.

Ya, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson wouldn't make that list...

Instead, we have Franklin Roosevelt, who oversaw 8 years of economic depression, John F Kennedy, who was a inspirational figure who did very little during his 3 years in office, and Barack Obama, who has been a terrible president by every objective measure.

I'm so glad you put this up...

the founding fathers are not much within the spheres of such ideologies, so your accusation is wholly unfounded. Washington, besides, was moderate and not as respected as the 3 I mentioned, those 3 people actually DID something MAJOR when our nation was in danger.

Ya, I guess turning down being king and stepping down after two terms... setting a major prescedent is not very major....

FURTHERMORE, FDR got us out of a depression with proactive action and fought Mussolini, Hitler, and Japan from a wheelchair. He was proactive, he brought back American spirit. He helped people. What did your friend Hoover do? He believed in "Private initiative" and the depression worsened. Don'r even attempt to discredit FDR after all he did to turn the nation and in some ways, the world, around.

Hitler had virtually the same economic policies as Mussolini and Hitler. And, that might explain why the Great Depression lasted so long.

There was actually a worse Depression in 1920. You probably haven't heard of that. That is because Harding and Coolidge cut taxes and spending and the economy quickly recovered...

And, don't get me started on Hoover. Saying Hoover believed in private initiative is historically ignorant... FDR's running mate called Hoover a socialist...

Hoover raised spending, raised taxes, set wages and prices, put up tariffs, and expanded publics works. Saying that Hoover believed in the free market is just ignorant:

http://www.cato.org...

Kennedy fervently campaigned against racism. He was for the Civil Rights Movement, and his death is what brought the nation to its knees to pass the legislation for equality. But of course, you hate fairness and justice and righteousness, don't you?

Lol, his death sparked a great assault on private property?

Lincoln also formed some plans for reconstruction before he was killed, he intended to help the stranded and helpless freemen who, under conservative ideology, would have been left to fend for themselves.

God forbid they have to actually take care of themselves

Give me a break, America is a liberal country and it, for the most part, always has been.

I don't know what to say about this
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10/31/2011 8:07:10 PM
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At 10/31/2011 7:48:46 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Hitler had virtually the same economic policies as Mussolini and Hitler.

You mean Hoover?
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10/31/2011 8:08:59 PM
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At 10/31/2011 7:38:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:23:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
But of course, you hate fairness and justice and righteousness, don't you?

You know jimtimmy hates it. It's written all over his posts :)
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10/31/2011 8:09:17 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:07:10 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:48:46 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Hitler had virtually the same economic policies as Mussolini and Hitler.

You mean Hoover?

No, actually I meant FDR... But since Hoover had the same policies as FDR, that could work too
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10/31/2011 8:10:20 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:08:59 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:38:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:23:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
But of course, you hate fairness and justice and righteousness, don't you?

You know jimtimmy hates it. It's written all over his posts :)

Okay, so accepting modern science and believing that people should be able to freely associate with each other, free of state coercion is "hating fairness and justice"... Good to know...
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10/31/2011 8:10:43 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:07:10 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:48:46 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Hitler had virtually the same economic policies as Mussolini and Hitler.

You mean Hoover?

No, actually I meant FDR.... But since Hoover had the same policies as FDR, that could work too
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10/31/2011 8:14:07 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:08:59 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:38:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:23:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
But of course, you hate fairness and justice and righteousness, don't you?

You know jimtimmy hates it. It's written all over his posts :)

fairness and justice and righteousness,

Gotta love that demagogy.
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10/31/2011 8:17:36 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:14:07 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:08:59 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:38:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:23:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
But of course, you hate fairness and justice and righteousness, don't you?

You know jimtimmy hates it. It's written all over his posts :)

fairness and justice and righteousness,

Gotta love that demagogy.

Say hello to not being a dogmatic egalitarian leftist on DDO.... I've gotten used to being called racist to no matter what I say
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10/31/2011 8:17:48 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:10:43 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:07:10 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:48:46 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Hitler had virtually the same economic policies as Mussolini and Hitler.

You mean Hoover?

No, actually I meant FDR.... But since Hoover had the same policies as FDR, that could work too

I'M historically ignorant? Good lord, this statement is factually outrageous.

When the stock market crashed in 1929, Hoover URGED municipal and state governments to create public works projects.

He ASKED business leaders to PLEASE pledge not to lower wages and fire workers.

He RELUCTANTLY passed the RFC, to make loans to corporations and banks, and he only did this because an election was afoot.

FDR on the otherhand had alphabet soup, the first Hundred Days, Progressive reform, the entire new deal including social security.

You know nothing of American history, clearly.
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10/31/2011 8:21:16 PM
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Which indicates that liberalism is superior how..?
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10/31/2011 8:24:13 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:21:16 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Which indicates that liberalism is superior how..?

lol, I see you inferred a conclusion I didn't write.
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10/31/2011 8:24:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 8:17:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:10:43 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:07:10 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:48:46 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Hitler had virtually the same economic policies as Mussolini and Hitler.

You mean Hoover?

No, actually I meant FDR.... But since Hoover had the same policies as FDR, that could work too

I'M historically ignorant? Good lord, this statement is factually outrageous.

When the stock market crashed in 1929, Hoover URGED municipal and state governments to create public works projects.

He ASKED business leaders to PLEASE pledge not to lower wages and fire workers.

He RELUCTANTLY passed the RFC, to make loans to corporations and banks, and he only did this because an election was afoot.

FDR on the otherhand had alphabet soup, the first Hundred Days, Progressive reform, the entire new deal including social security.

You know nothing of American history, clearly.

OOOike,

Have you ever heard of the 1932 tax increase that HOOVER passed...?

Or, how about the Smoot Hawtley Tariff that Hoover signed, shutting off world trade...

And, Hoover started a bunch of public works programs... In fact, Rexford Tugwell, one of the architects of the New Deal, said, "We didn't admit it at the time, but practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started."
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10/31/2011 8:26:10 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:24:13 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:21:16 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Which indicates that liberalism is superior how..?

lol, I see you inferred a conclusion I didn't write.

But the conclusion was fairly obvious. Just because one doesn't write it, doesn't mean it was clearly implied.

So, I'll ask you directly now: Were you implying that liberalism is a superior ideology?
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10/31/2011 8:27:40 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:26:10 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:24:13 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:21:16 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Which indicates that liberalism is superior how..?

lol, I see you inferred a conclusion I didn't write.

But the conclusion was fairly obvious. Just because one doesn't write it, doesn't mean it was clearly implied.

So, I'll ask you directly now: Were you implying that liberalism is a superior ideology?

I'm not implying anything. I'm simply stating an observation
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10/31/2011 8:30:45 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:27:40 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:26:10 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:24:13 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:21:16 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
Which indicates that liberalism is superior how..?

lol, I see you inferred a conclusion I didn't write.

But the conclusion was fairly obvious. Just because one doesn't write it, doesn't mean it was clearly implied.

So, I'll ask you directly now: Were you implying that liberalism is a superior ideology?

I'm not implying anything. I'm simply stating an observation

I don't want to argue with author's intent, BUT...you could've considered not using the last "I smell a pattern here." It seems to be implicit of something more than an observation.
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10/31/2011 8:32:10 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:17:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:10:43 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:07:10 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 10/31/2011 7:48:46 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Hitler had virtually the same economic policies as Mussolini and Hitler.

You mean Hoover?

No, actually I meant FDR.... But since Hoover had the same policies as FDR, that could work too

I'M historically ignorant? Good lord, this statement is factually outrageous.

When the stock market crashed in 1929, Hoover URGED municipal and state governments to create public works projects.

He ASKED business leaders to PLEASE pledge not to lower wages and fire workers.

He RELUCTANTLY passed the RFC, to make loans to corporations and banks, and he only did this because an election was afoot.

FDR on the otherhand had alphabet soup, the first Hundred Days, Progressive reform, the entire new deal including social security.

You know nothing of American history, clearly.

OOOike,

Have you ever heard of the 1932 tax increase that HOOVER passed...?

Or, how about the Smoot Hawtley Tariff that Hoover signed, shutting off world trade...

And, Hoover started a bunch of public works programs... In fact, Rexford Tugwell, one of the architects of the New Deal, said, "We didn't admit it at the time, but practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started."
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10/31/2011 8:33:34 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:24:15 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

OOOike,

Have you ever heard of the 1932 tax increase that HOOVER passed...?

Or, how about the Smoot Hawtley Tariff that Hoover signed, shutting off world trade...

CAUSED the Great Depression. Intended to shut out world market yes, then FDR has such acts as the AAA and Farm Tenancy Act which sought to increase farm prices at home and raise them abroad. How are these alike? Tell me.


And, Hoover started a bunch of public works programs... In fact, Rexford Tugwell, one of the architects of the New Deal, said, "We didn't admit it at the time, but practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started."

Rexford tugwell was merely a PART of Roosevelt rather diverse circles of advisors and cabinet. He isn't correct then, because Hoover did not pass any coercive acts to combat the depression apart from the RFC which he didn't even want to do. To say that FDR's liberal administrations were taken from Hoovers conservative private corporation oriented ideology is asinine beyond reason.
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10/31/2011 8:35:07 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:33:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:24:15 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

OOOike,

Have you ever heard of the 1932 tax increase that HOOVER passed...?

Or, how about the Smoot Hawtley Tariff that Hoover signed, shutting off world trade...

CAUSED the Great Depression. Intended to shut out world market yes, then FDR has such acts as the AAA and Farm Tenancy Act which sought to increase farm prices at home and LOWER them abroad. How are these alike? Tell me.


And, Hoover started a bunch of public works programs... In fact, Rexford Tugwell, one of the architects of the New Deal, said, "We didn't admit it at the time, but practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started."

Rexford tugwell was merely a PART of Roosevelt rather diverse circles of advisors and cabinet. He isn't correct then, because Hoover did not pass any coercive acts to combat the depression apart from the RFC which he didn't even want to do. To say that FDR's liberal administrations were taken from Hoovers conservative private corporation oriented ideology is asinine beyond reason.

terrible typo
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10/31/2011 8:37:46 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:33:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:24:15 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

OOOike,

Have you ever heard of the 1932 tax increase that HOOVER passed...?

Or, how about the Smoot Hawtley Tariff that Hoover signed, shutting off world trade...

CAUSED the Great Depression. Intended to shut out world market yes, then FDR has such acts as the AAA and Farm Tenancy Act which sought to increase farm prices at home and raise them abroad. How are these alike? Tell me.

They both massively increased state power and were market interventionists.


And, Hoover started a bunch of public works programs... In fact, Rexford Tugwell, one of the architects of the New Deal, said, "We didn't admit it at the time, but practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started."

Rexford tugwell was merely a PART of Roosevelt rather diverse circles of advisors and cabinet. He isn't correct then, because Hoover did not pass any coercive acts to combat the depression apart from the RFC which he didn't even want to do. To say that FDR's liberal administrations were taken from Hoovers conservative private corporation oriented ideology is asinine beyond reason.

To say that Hoover had a "conservative private corporation ideology" is stupid in two ways. First, that isn't actually the name of an ideology, it is just a collection of liberal buzzwords in front of the word ideology.

Secondly, and more important, is that Hoover was a well known progressive reformer who did not trust the free market. That is why he raised taxes, set wages, raised tariffs, expanded the budget, and ran large deficits
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10/31/2011 8:46:41 PM
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At 10/31/2011 8:37:46 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:33:34 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 10/31/2011 8:24:15 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

OOOike,

Have you ever heard of the 1932 tax increase that HOOVER passed...?

Or, how about the Smoot Hawtley Tariff that Hoover signed, shutting off world trade...

CAUSED the Great Depression. Intended to shut out world market yes, then FDR has such acts as the AAA and Farm Tenancy Act which sought to increase farm prices at home and raise them abroad. How are these alike? Tell me.

They both massively increased state power and were market interventionists.

Hoover, a market interventionist?? Go read a history book sir you don't know what you're saying. Didn't you get the message when I capitalized the words URGED, ASKED, PLEASE, in my previous post? When the stock market crashed, Hoover wanted local governments and private corporations to fix it. Thats why he called them to the white house to ASK them not to layoff workers etc.


And, Hoover started a bunch of public works programs... In fact, Rexford Tugwell, one of the architects of the New Deal, said, "We didn't admit it at the time, but practically the whole New Deal was extrapolated from programs that Hoover started."

Rexford tugwell was merely a PART of Roosevelt rather diverse circles of advisors and cabinet. He isn't correct then, because Hoover did not pass any coercive acts to combat the depression apart from the RFC which he didn't even want to do. To say that FDR's liberal administrations were taken from Hoovers conservative private corporation oriented ideology is asinine beyond reason.


To say that Hoover had a "conservative private corporation ideology" is stupid in two ways. First, that isn't actually the name of an ideology, it is just a collection of liberal buzzwords in front of the word ideology.

Uh, no. You conveniently missed the word ORIENTED, that inserted, the statement makes perfect sense. Try again.

Secondly, and more important, is that Hoover was a well known progressive reformer who did not trust the free market. That is why he raised taxes, set wages, raised tariffs, expanded the budget, and ran large deficits

That alone does not NEARLY qualify him as a market interventionist, nor does that make him anything like FDR.
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10/31/2011 8:53:49 PM
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wrong, abraham lincolon isn't liberal. back then liberalism was scarce. It was either conservative and likes slaves, or conservative abolitionist. 1 claim rebuted. 2 FDR. He gave half of europe to old stalin in his last term, basically screwing up their economy for 50 years, and they still haven't fully recovered. And it is arguable that his policies lengthened the depression too. 2nd refuted. And JFK. people say he started the equal rights movement. the equal rights bill was republican made. 71% of republicans supported it and 60% of democrats voted for it. I think ut was 60, but it was near there. Also the only good thing he did was to handle the cuban missle crisis correctly. People like you more when you get shot. Trust me, his approval rating wasn't that high.

here are the real best ones:

1. Ronald Reagan. Multiple years of economic prosperity, one ressecion but stopped it with tax cuts. (debt was because he favored economy aka tax cuts over debt)
2. Teddy roosevelt, pushed for envitomental standerds that where cheap and woundn't hurt the economy. Plus helped hunters do their thing.
3. George H. W. Bush, helped prolong reagans policies and handeled the kuait crisis with fairly good precision.
4. george washington, federalist conservative and helped free us from britian (as did many of the first presidents) and didn't enlarge the goverment.

That sums it up.
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10/31/2011 9:02:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Lol @ 000ike putting JFK and FDR above Washington, or Jefferson

And rofl @ 16kadams putting RONALD REAGAN and Bush I over Washington...seriously, did either of you two think before making your lists?
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10/31/2011 9:05:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 10/31/2011 9:02:27 PM, thett3 wrote:
Lol @ 000ike putting JFK and FDR above Washington, or Jefferson

And rofl @ 16kadams putting RONALD REAGAN and Bush I over Washington...seriously, did either of you two think before making your lists?

What's your glorious list then?
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