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socialpinko
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11/7/2011 4:34:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Listen, we all know we need to get the Kenyan socialist out of the White House come November. There's no question about that. Who should replace him is wherein lies the real question. Perry seems like a GWB cutout, Romney's a flip-flopper, Cain just pulled a Clarence Thomas, and Paul is a crazy libertarian. So who do we need come November? Enter the Joker.

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11/7/2011 4:45:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
For a second I thought you said Keynes socialist. I was about to defend how Keynesian economics isn't socialist.

Also, how is Mitt Romeny the front runner? He stands for absolutely no issues. He's a flip flopper and spends most of his time mudslinging his opponents. My favorite "look I'm running for office for peke's sake, I can't have illegals". Yea, its only when people that you care.
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11/7/2011 4:46:55 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/7/2011 4:34:20 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Listen, we all know we need to get the Kenyan socialist out of the White House come November. There's no question about that.

That sounds like a preaching to the choir line. As seeing as Obama is still only at -5 in his approval rating (which has been marginally improving over the last few weeks) [1], it would seem like there are a great number of people that disagree. And that the now split congress is at -70 in it's rating [2] (a worse rating than the congress ever had when democrats held both), it would seem that the people are not so pissed at a "kenyan" in the white house (which is also a pathetic smear attempt, but not unexpected) but with a congress that can't get anything done. I guess it appears that the people do want stuff getting done, rather than stalemate.

[1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
[2] http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Who should replace him is wherein lies the real question. Perry seems like a GWB cutout, Romney's a flip-flopper, Cain just pulled a Clarence Thomas, and Paul is a crazy libertarian. So who do we need come November? Enter the Joker.

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jat93
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11/7/2011 4:49:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/7/2011 4:34:20 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Listen, we all know we need to get the Kenyan socialist out of the White House come November. There's no question about that. Who should replace him is wherein lies the real question. Perry seems like a GWB cutout, Romney's a flip-flopper, Cain just pulled a Clarence Thomas, and Paul is a crazy libertarian. So who do we need come November? Enter the Joker.

http://www.cracked.com...

I'd think an anarchist who identifies with Murray Rothbard and the Austrian School would be a die-hard Ron Paul supporter. Unless you weren't serious about calling him a crazy libertarian.

Romney is an established flip-flopper, he's not conservative enough for the current GOP, and he doesn't have any enthusiastic support at all. Cain... Well, how far can someone go with zero political experience whatsoever and the open admission that his anonymous advisers would shape his policies more than he would? Perry's got the $$$ of a frontrunner but he's prone to gaffes and dumb comments, can't debate his way out of a paper bag, and like you said seems like GWB cutout. Paul can't seem to get the GOP electorate comfortable with his non-interventionism and socially liberal views (drug legalization, anti-death penalty, abortion as a states right).

That leaves Newt Gingrich. He's rising in the polls and the only thing that could possibly be a turn-off to voters is the affair he had, which people don't seem to care about now. He had crappy fundraising and a lot of debt but with a rise in the polls all that can change. He's experienced, intelligent, witty, a good debater and he's got a sense of humor. He's fiscally conservative enough for most Tea Partiers but not un-mainstream enough so as not to get the average Republican vote. If he continues rising in the polls like he is now, unlike every other "conservative alternative to Romney" candidate, he will retain it.
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11/7/2011 4:50:39 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/7/2011 4:46:55 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/7/2011 4:34:20 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Listen, we all know we need to get the Kenyan socialist out of the White House come November. There's no question about that.

That sounds like a preaching to the choir line. As seeing as Obama is still only at -5 in his approval rating (which has been marginally improving over the last few weeks) [1], it would seem like there are a great number of people that disagree. And that the now split congress is at -70 in it's rating [2] (a worse rating than the congress ever had when democrats held both), it would seem that the people are not so pissed at a "kenyan" in the white house (which is also a pathetic smear attempt, but not unexpected) but with a congress that can't get anything done. I guess it appears that the people do want stuff getting done, rather than stalemate.

[1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
[2] http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Can't tell if he genuinely doesn't get the joke or is counter-trolling.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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: : DDO should discredit support of sexual violence at any time and in every way.
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: I disagree.
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11/7/2011 4:53:42 PM
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At 11/7/2011 4:49:13 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 11/7/2011 4:34:20 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Listen, we all know we need to get the Kenyan socialist out of the White House come November. There's no question about that. Who should replace him is wherein lies the real question. Perry seems like a GWB cutout, Romney's a flip-flopper, Cain just pulled a Clarence Thomas, and Paul is a crazy libertarian. So who do we need come November? Enter the Joker.

http://www.cracked.com...

I'd think an anarchist who identifies with Murray Rothbard and the Austrian School would be a die-hard Ron Paul supporter. Unless you weren't serious about calling him a crazy libertarian.

Romney is an established flip-flopper, he's not conservative enough for the current GOP, and he doesn't have any enthusiastic support at all. Cain... Well, how far can someone go with zero political experience whatsoever and the open admission that his anonymous advisers would shape his policies more than he would? Perry's got the $$$ of a frontrunner but he's prone to gaffes and dumb comments, can't debate his way out of a paper bag, and like you said seems like GWB cutout. Paul can't seem to get the GOP electorate comfortable with his non-interventionism and socially liberal views (drug legalization, anti-death penalty, abortion as a states right).

That leaves Newt Gingrich. He's rising in the polls and the only thing that could possibly be a turn-off to voters is the affair he had, which people don't seem to care about now. He had crappy fundraising and a lot of debt but with a rise in the polls all that can change. He's experienced, intelligent, witty, a good debater and he's got a sense of humor. He's fiscally conservative enough for most Tea Partiers but not un-mainstream enough so as not to get the average Republican vote. If he continues rising in the polls like he is now, unlike every other "conservative alternative to Romney" candidate, he will retain it.

Romney could make a decent run with a far right (*cough*Ron Paul *cough*) VP. The big reason that Romney does the best against Obama in the head to head polls (at least, he was doing the best when I checked last week) is because he isn't so far right. That makes him better at scooping up the moderates that feel like Obama has betrayed them. You get too much of a far righter in there and those moderates are going to either not vote at all (not bad for republicans, but it would be better if they could get those votes) or go back to Obama, especially if Obama can successfully pin the lack of growth on a Congress that is not willing to work with him and is willing to hold the people "hostage" (that's going to be a big political buzz word this cycle). He's got plenty of evidence with the raising of the debt ceiling fisaco.
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11/7/2011 5:06:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/7/2011 4:53:42 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/7/2011 4:49:13 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 11/7/2011 4:34:20 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Listen, we all know we need to get the Kenyan socialist out of the White House come November. There's no question about that. Who should replace him is wherein lies the real question. Perry seems like a GWB cutout, Romney's a flip-flopper, Cain just pulled a Clarence Thomas, and Paul is a crazy libertarian. So who do we need come November? Enter the Joker.

http://www.cracked.com...

I'd think an anarchist who identifies with Murray Rothbard and the Austrian School would be a die-hard Ron Paul supporter. Unless you weren't serious about calling him a crazy libertarian.

Romney is an established flip-flopper, he's not conservative enough for the current GOP, and he doesn't have any enthusiastic support at all. Cain... Well, how far can someone go with zero political experience whatsoever and the open admission that his anonymous advisers would shape his policies more than he would? Perry's got the $$$ of a frontrunner but he's prone to gaffes and dumb comments, can't debate his way out of a paper bag, and like you said seems like GWB cutout. Paul can't seem to get the GOP electorate comfortable with his non-interventionism and socially liberal views (drug legalization, anti-death penalty, abortion as a states right).

That leaves Newt Gingrich. He's rising in the polls and the only thing that could possibly be a turn-off to voters is the affair he had, which people don't seem to care about now. He had crappy fundraising and a lot of debt but with a rise in the polls all that can change. He's experienced, intelligent, witty, a good debater and he's got a sense of humor. He's fiscally conservative enough for most Tea Partiers but not un-mainstream enough so as not to get the average Republican vote. If he continues rising in the polls like he is now, unlike every other "conservative alternative to Romney" candidate, he will retain it.

Romney could make a decent run with a far right (*cough*Ron Paul *cough*) VP. The big reason that Romney does the best against Obama in the head to head polls (at least, he was doing the best when I checked last week) is because he isn't so far right. That makes him better at scooping up the moderates that feel like Obama has betrayed them. You get too much of a far righter in there and those moderates are going to either not vote at all (not bad for republicans, but it would be better if they could get those votes) or go back to Obama, especially if Obama can successfully pin the lack of growth on a Congress that is not willing to work with him and is willing to hold the people "hostage" (that's going to be a big political buzz word this cycle). He's got plenty of evidence with the raising of the debt ceiling fisaco.

But If people are fed up with Obama, why aren't people looking for real solutions. Why aren't people looking for real candidates that are looking at serious cuts to the federal government, cutting regulation that stop businesses from hiring, and fixing other problems? Mitt Romney doesn't seem to stand for anything and America simply can't afford the same "status-quo" politician.

Maybe I'm just thinking in terms of what I want, and I surely don't represent the majority of people.
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11/7/2011 5:21:05 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/7/2011 4:53:42 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 11/7/2011 4:49:13 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 11/7/2011 4:34:20 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Listen, we all know we need to get the Kenyan socialist out of the White House come November. There's no question about that. Who should replace him is wherein lies the real question. Perry seems like a GWB cutout, Romney's a flip-flopper, Cain just pulled a Clarence Thomas, and Paul is a crazy libertarian. So who do we need come November? Enter the Joker.

http://www.cracked.com...

I'd think an anarchist who identifies with Murray Rothbard and the Austrian School would be a die-hard Ron Paul supporter. Unless you weren't serious about calling him a crazy libertarian.

Romney is an established flip-flopper, he's not conservative enough for the current GOP, and he doesn't have any enthusiastic support at all. Cain... Well, how far can someone go with zero political experience whatsoever and the open admission that his anonymous advisers would shape his policies more than he would? Perry's got the $$$ of a frontrunner but he's prone to gaffes and dumb comments, can't debate his way out of a paper bag, and like you said seems like GWB cutout. Paul can't seem to get the GOP electorate comfortable with his non-interventionism and socially liberal views (drug legalization, anti-death penalty, abortion as a states right).

That leaves Newt Gingrich. He's rising in the polls and the only thing that could possibly be a turn-off to voters is the affair he had, which people don't seem to care about now. He had crappy fundraising and a lot of debt but with a rise in the polls all that can change. He's experienced, intelligent, witty, a good debater and he's got a sense of humor. He's fiscally conservative enough for most Tea Partiers but not un-mainstream enough so as not to get the average Republican vote. If he continues rising in the polls like he is now, unlike every other "conservative alternative to Romney" candidate, he will retain it.

Romney could make a decent run with a far right (*cough*Ron Paul *cough*) VP. The big reason that Romney does the best against Obama in the head to head polls (at least, he was doing the best when I checked last week) is because he isn't so far right. That makes him better at scooping up the moderates that feel like Obama has betrayed them. You get too much of a far righter in there and those moderates are going to either not vote at all (not bad for republicans, but it would be better if they could get those votes) or go back to Obama, especially if Obama can successfully pin the lack of growth on a Congress that is not willing to work with him and is willing to hold the people "hostage" (that's going to be a big political buzz word this cycle). He's got plenty of evidence with the raising of the debt ceiling fisaco.

The thing is that Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate that has proven to be able to "convert" Democrats, Independents, and apolotical people to becoming his biggest supporters. Which is why he also performs very well against Obama in a head to head match-up, as many polls have indicated. I identified as a liberal before I saw some of his videos and speeches. I'd say most of his base was either Democratic, independent, or apolitical before they checked him out. If he were the nominee and every Obama supporter checked him out, so many Obama supporters would flock to Paul or at very least not vote for Obama. Combine that with most Republican voters, libertarians, and many independents, Ron Paul would own Obama's @$$.

This is one of the reasons why Ron Paul would fare best against Obama in a general election. It would be a landslide. But the hard part for Paul would be getting the Republican nomination, and even as a supporter of his I recognize how improbable that is.