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Mirza
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11/13/2011 12:41:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
What kind of reasons do people have to support / be against the Iraq War? Given the reasons for invasion were alleged WMD's and removal of a terrorist leader, why oppose the war? You believe in other reasons for the invasion?
CosmicAlfonzo
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11/13/2011 1:17:12 PM
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From both a moral and a strategic standpoint, I see these wars as a waste of time.
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11/13/2011 1:39:28 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Im with Cosmic on this one, the war in Iraq got us absolutely nowhere, as a matter of fact they pushed us back.
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11/13/2011 1:46:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/13/2011 12:41:34 PM, Mirza wrote:
What kind of reasons do people have to support / be against the Iraq War? Given the reasons for invasion were alleged WMD's

1: Saddam fully complied with the weapons inspections.
2: The provisional conclusion was that he did not have WMD's.
3: He didn't have WMD's.

and removal of a terrorist leader,

What terrorist leader?

why oppose the war? You believe in other reasons for the invasion?
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Mirza
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11/13/2011 2:24:36 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/13/2011 1:46:26 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/13/2011 12:41:34 PM, Mirza wrote:
What kind of reasons do people have to support / be against the Iraq War? Given the reasons for invasion were alleged WMD's

1: Saddam fully complied with the weapons inspections.
2: The provisional conclusion was that he did not have WMD's.
3: He didn't have WMD's.
There were reports about WMD's being there. Thus it would not be a very unfair reason to invade Iraq.

http://archive.newsmax.com...

and removal of a terrorist leader,

What terrorist leader?
Saddam Hussein, who else?
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11/13/2011 5:57:44 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Saddam Hussein was a war criminal of the worst form. The worst war criminal of the post-1970s era.

I believe the USA should have engaged much earlier; the use of 9/11 as a casus bellum did more harm than good. During the Gulf War/Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. The objectives should have been:

1. displace Saddam Husain
2. remove the Ba'ath.
3. leave.

Al Qaeda and the Taliban should have been engaged through covert/specialist operations whenever the opportunity arose.
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11/13/2011 7:04:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/13/2011 2:24:36 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/13/2011 1:46:26 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/13/2011 12:41:34 PM, Mirza wrote:
What kind of reasons do people have to support / be against the Iraq War? Given the reasons for invasion were alleged WMD's

1: Saddam fully complied with the weapons inspections.
2: The provisional conclusion was that he did not have WMD's.
3: He didn't have WMD's.
There were reports about WMD's being there. Thus it would not be a very unfair reason to invade Iraq.

http://archive.newsmax.com...

There were no valid reports that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, Scott Ritter has revealed that the inspection teams were almost absolutely certain that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. America was not interested in final verification of this fact.


and removal of a terrorist leader,

What terrorist leader?
Saddam Hussein, who else?

Since when was he a terrorist leader?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/13/2011 8:07:05 PM
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Since when was he a terrorist leader?:

well, aside from exporting terrorism, he oversaw mass-genocides of ethnic kurds between 1970+.

at least 500,000 kurds killed in various uprisings.
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11/13/2011 8:24:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/13/2011 12:41:34 PM, Mirza wrote:
What kind of reasons do people have to support / be against the Iraq War? Given the reasons for invasion were alleged WMD's and removal of a terrorist leader, why oppose the war? You believe in other reasons for the invasion?

Hmm, is this question supposed to provoke a "Well, duh!" response; because, well duh, how about the combo of corporate-capitalist greed and neoconservative ideology as an alternative explanation for the invasion/occupation of both Iraq and Afghanistan? Okay, I won't try to sidetrack this thread, I'll just invite you-all to visit my thread on Veterans Day in the society section, where I've already touched on this question somewhat at length.
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11/13/2011 9:12:17 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/13/2011 8:07:05 PM, JuiceSqueeze wrote:
Since when was he a terrorist leader?:

well, aside from exporting terrorism,

No valid evidence has come to light for that.

he oversaw mass-genocides of ethnic kurds between 1970+.

at least 500,000 kurds killed in various uprisings.

With full support of the west.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
Mirza
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11/14/2011 12:55:28 PM
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C_N, Do you think that the outcomes of the Iraq War are bad (with which I can agree), or that even the given reasons were bad and deceitful? Do you think G.W. Bush was invading Iraq for reasons he claimed, or something else?

And are there not reports of UK and Russian intelligence agencies giving info to USA about WMD's in Iraq?
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11/14/2011 1:04:02 PM
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At 11/14/2011 12:55:28 PM, Mirza wrote:
C_N, Do you think that the outcomes of the Iraq War are bad (with which I can agree),

Yes, and indeed I further believe that it was the intention for this war to end badly for Iraq and the future prosperity of Iraq.

or that even the given reasons were bad and deceitful?

Yes.

Do you think G.W. Bush was invading Iraq for reasons he claimed, or something else?

He was either lied, allowed himself to be mislead, or purposefully lied. Either way the people who made the decision to go to war did not believe that Iraq had WMD's. They invaded to privatise Iraqi oil and permanently cripple an otherwise functional Arab state.

And are there not reports of UK and Russian intelligence agencies giving info to USA about WMD's in Iraq?

Tony Blair had to plagarise the ten year old work of a student in order to 'justify' the war. A sufficient case was never made to him, he was hoping to be vindicated by the consequences of the war. This is all pretty much confirmed, it is not conspiracy theory as partial as I sometimes am to that.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.