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11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM
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What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?
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11/23/2011 5:52:00 PM
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At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?:

I'd like to strip down to the essentials and phase out numerous money pits within the federal government. We also have to transition away from the current fiat currency system and go back to the gold standard, or something similar where money has intrinsic value which curbs inflation.
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11/23/2011 5:56:46 PM
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At 11/23/2011 5:52:00 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?:

I'd like to strip down to the essentials and phase out numerous money pits within the federal government. We also have to transition away from the current fiat currency system and go back to the gold standard, or something similar where money has intrinsic value which curbs inflation.

Are things like Medicare/Medicaid, SS, food stamps 'essential' to you?
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11/23/2011 6:19:09 PM
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Are things like Medicare/Medicaid, SS, food stamps 'essential' to you?:

IF they exist, then they should be set up under their original pretense. If you want to use SSI, for instance, as your retirement fund, it should be something you can opt in to like any other 401(k) or IRA Roth. It was never intended to be a compulsory tax as it is today. As it stands, they're unconstitutional, ponzi schemes.
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11/23/2011 9:33:16 PM
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At 11/23/2011 6:19:09 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Are things like Medicare/Medicaid, SS, food stamps 'essential' to you?:

IF they exist, then they should be set up under their original pretense. If you want to use SSI, for instance, as your retirement fund, it should be something you can opt in to like any other 401(k) or IRA Roth. It was never intended to be a compulsory tax as it is today. As it stands, they're unconstitutional, ponzi schemes.

I would definitely love to see a drastic reduction of government. Politics is one of my weak points, I just never get around to spending much time reading about or thinking about it.
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11/24/2011 10:01:35 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?

Lower spending
tax reform, to replace the progressive tax with a flat tax.
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11/24/2011 1:42:06 PM
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At 11/23/2011 5:52:00 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?:

I'd like to strip down to the essentials and phase out numerous money pits within the federal government. We also have to transition away from the current fiat currency system and go back to the gold standard, or something similar where money has intrinsic value which curbs inflation.

If you want to see a example of what a gold standard or a restricted currency does take a look at Greece, and Spain. A gold standard results in lower economic growth and makes it so that a economy cannot adjust to adverse shocks resulting in massive unemploment.
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11/24/2011 1:43:15 PM
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At 11/23/2011 6:19:09 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Are things like Medicare/Medicaid, SS, food stamps 'essential' to you?:

IF they exist, then they should be set up under their original pretense. If you want to use SSI, for instance, as your retirement fund, it should be something you can opt in to like any other 401(k) or IRA Roth. It was never intended to be a compulsory tax as it is today. As it stands, they're unconstitutional, ponzi schemes.

They are only ponzi schemes if you have no clue what ponzi schemes are and thereforhave no clue aobut what you are talking about
Also medicare and ss are mroefficent than private market comparisions so swithcign would result in making everyone poorer
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11/24/2011 1:44:26 PM
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At 11/24/2011 10:01:35 AM, DanT wrote:
At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?

Lower spending
tax reform, to replace the progressive tax with a flat tax.

So basically Dan wants 40% of the population to be in poverty, so that millionaires can trillions in tax cuts. A flat tax wold result in middle class and poor amreicans paying so much more in taxes that it would push the pveorty rate to 40% which is higer than soenm coutnries in africa
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11/24/2011 1:46:26 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?

Repealing the Bush tax cut for the rich, implmening ObamaCare ending the wars, bringing military spending back to 2001 levels, and making it so millioanries pay the same taxrates as teachers on SS and on capital income is enough to make our long term budget a surplus
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11/24/2011 2:01:18 PM
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At 11/24/2011 1:43:15 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/23/2011 6:19:09 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Are things like Medicare/Medicaid, SS, food stamps 'essential' to you?:

IF they exist, then they should be set up under their original pretense. If you want to use SSI, for instance, as your retirement fund, it should be something you can opt in to like any other 401(k) or IRA Roth. It was never intended to be a compulsory tax as it is today. As it stands, they're unconstitutional, ponzi schemes.

They are only ponzi schemes if you have no clue what ponzi schemes are and thereforhave no clue aobut what you are talking about
Also medicare and ss are mroefficent than private market comparisions so swithcign would result in making everyone poorer

They are both going bankrupt. That's not efficient.
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11/24/2011 2:02:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/24/2011 1:46:26 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?

Repealing the Bush tax cut for the rich, implmening ObamaCare ending the wars, bringing military spending back to 2001 levels, and making it so millioanries pay the same taxrates as teachers on SS and on capital income is enough to make our long term budget a surplus

Do you know what the average effective tax rate is on the 1%?

Anyone who brings up the point about secretaries paying higher rates than millionaires is complaining about the exception more than the rule. Should we tax all capital gains at 35%+, or just capital gains on the 1%?
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11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM
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1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit
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11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM
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At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D
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11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM
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At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?
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11/24/2011 4:18:57 PM
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At 11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?

no
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/24/2011 6:20:47 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?

The thing that you have to remember is that it is not going to work, ever. I wrote about this in my capitalism vs communism debates but I'll summarize.
Humans are naturally greedy. We want to be better than our neighbours, peers, and competitors. Some people think that greed is bad. I think that it is one of the greatest stimulants programmed into our DNA. Greed has caused so many inventions and successes, that it is most likely the strongest and greatest emotion. /end Gordon Gekko

A communist society like you described would not work. People are not equal. Sure, almost everybody should have equal rights, but people aren't the same. Some people are overall better than others. A communist society does not take this into account. A capitalist society does.

What we need to do is reform our political, not economic system. Reset the the whole debt for the world and start anew.
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11/25/2011 1:10:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/24/2011 2:01:18 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 1:43:15 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/23/2011 6:19:09 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Are things like Medicare/Medicaid, SS, food stamps 'essential' to you?:

IF they exist, then they should be set up under their original pretense. If you want to use SSI, for instance, as your retirement fund, it should be something you can opt in to like any other 401(k) or IRA Roth. It was never intended to be a compulsory tax as it is today. As it stands, they're unconstitutional, ponzi schemes.

They are only ponzi schemes if you have no clue what ponzi schemes are and thereforhave no clue aobut what you are talking about
Also medicare and ss are mroefficent than private market comparisions so swithcign would result in making everyone poorer

They are both going bankrupt. That's not efficient.

Medicare costs 40% less than private health care and yet provides higher quality o care then private health care. SS provides 25% more benefits then any other retirement system. That is the very definition of efficient
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11/25/2011 1:16:02 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/24/2011 2:02:57 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 1:46:26 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?

Repealing the Bush tax cut for the rich, implmening ObamaCare ending the wars, bringing military spending back to 2001 levels, and making it so millioanries pay the same taxrates as teachers on SS and on capital income is enough to make our long term budget a surplus

Do you know what the average effective tax rate is on the 1%?

Anyone who brings up the point about secretaries paying higher rates than millionaires is complaining about the exception more than the rule. Should we tax all capital gains at 35%+, or just capital gains on the 1%?

Capital gains taxes , and even corporate taxes should be progressive just like regular income taxes.
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11/25/2011 1:25:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/24/2011 4:18:57 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?

no

So basically you want the world to have poverty, unemployment, and mass suffering. We call people like you a$$holes.
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11/25/2011 1:59:38 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/25/2011 1:25:13 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/24/2011 4:18:57 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?

no

So basically you want the world to have poverty, unemployment, and mass suffering. We call people like you a$$holes.

We call people like you communists who are too lazy to get a job and want the government to provide for them because they are _______? Fill in the blank

1. Stupid
2. Lazy
3. Marxist
4. All of the above

Hint: Its number 4
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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11/25/2011 2:39:57 PM
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At 11/25/2011 1:59:38 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/25/2011 1:25:13 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/24/2011 4:18:57 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?

no

So basically you want the world to have poverty, unemployment, and mass suffering. We call people like you a$$holes.

We call people like you communists who are too lazy to get a job and want the government to provide for them because they are _______? Fill in the blank

1. Stupid
2. Lazy
3. Marxist
4. All of the above

Hint: Its number 4
you said you're against a system that would work and allow everyone to have a job, and would eliminate all poverty and mass suffering. If you were to much of a pu$$y to handle people knwoing the truth then don't tell people that you are a 100% douche bag a$$hate who wants people to suffer
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11/25/2011 5:51:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/25/2011 2:39:57 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/25/2011 1:59:38 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/25/2011 1:25:13 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/24/2011 4:18:57 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?

no

So basically you want the world to have poverty, unemployment, and mass suffering. We call people like you a$$holes.

We call people like you communists who are too lazy to get a job and want the government to provide for them because they are _______? Fill in the blank

1. Stupid
2. Lazy
3. Marxist
4. All of the above

Hint: Its number 4
you said you're against a system that would work and allow everyone to have a job, and would eliminate all poverty and mass suffering. If you were to much of a pu$$y to handle people knwoing the truth then don't tell people that you are a 100% douche bag a$$hate who wants people to suffer

I don't debate with "Ifs". A system like that cannot possibly happen. Communism is the violation of basic human rights. PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUAL.
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11/25/2011 10:45:58 PM
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At 11/24/2011 6:20:47 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?

The thing that you have to remember is that it is not going to work, ever.

I know that. I'm not advocating it :)
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11/25/2011 10:46:44 PM
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At 11/25/2011 1:10:13 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/24/2011 2:01:18 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 1:43:15 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/23/2011 6:19:09 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Are things like Medicare/Medicaid, SS, food stamps 'essential' to you?:

IF they exist, then they should be set up under their original pretense. If you want to use SSI, for instance, as your retirement fund, it should be something you can opt in to like any other 401(k) or IRA Roth. It was never intended to be a compulsory tax as it is today. As it stands, they're unconstitutional, ponzi schemes.

They are only ponzi schemes if you have no clue what ponzi schemes are and thereforhave no clue aobut what you are talking about
Also medicare and ss are mroefficent than private market comparisions so swithcign would result in making everyone poorer

They are both going bankrupt. That's not efficient.

Medicare costs 40% less than private health care and yet provides higher quality o care then private health care. SS provides 25% more benefits then any other retirement system. That is the very definition of efficient

1 - Sources?

2 - How can you call it efficient when they aren't sustainable?
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11/25/2011 10:48:48 PM
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At 11/25/2011 1:16:02 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/24/2011 2:02:57 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 1:46:26 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/23/2011 5:47:33 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
What would you like to see happen with the U.S. budget? Increased taxes to close/narrow the deficit, reduced spending(and if so, where), or continue adding to the $15 trillion debt?

Repealing the Bush tax cut for the rich, implmening ObamaCare ending the wars, bringing military spending back to 2001 levels, and making it so millioanries pay the same taxrates as teachers on SS and on capital income is enough to make our long term budget a surplus

Do you know what the average effective tax rate is on the 1%?

Anyone who brings up the point about secretaries paying higher rates than millionaires is complaining about the exception more than the rule. Should we tax all capital gains at 35%+, or just capital gains on the 1%?

Capital gains taxes , and even corporate taxes should be progressive just like regular income taxes.

Well, at least that's a real thought. Just don't pull the bull about millionaires paying less than everyone else. The average effective tax rate is for the top 1% is much higher than any secretary(except for the secretaries that are in the 1%).

I'm not sure how good of an idea it is to tax people on their investment money more. They're already risking it, and their investments help the economy.
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11/25/2011 10:49:30 PM
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At 11/25/2011 1:25:13 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/24/2011 4:18:57 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:49:48 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:37:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:34:04 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 3:23:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
1. Get the whole world to erase everybody's debt and default
2. Radically reform the current political system (still democracy).
3. ?????
4. Profit

No debt, no money.

A worldwide society where everyone performs a job that they either love, or are willing to do because it is needed. Total equality in all luxuries. A perfect government or leader to oversee everything without corruption.

If you don't work, you get sent to Antarctica :D

no. no communism.

Would you like it if it actually worked that way?

no

So basically you want the world to have poverty, unemployment, and mass suffering. We call people like you a$$holes.

Did I say that? No.
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11/26/2011 11:38:07 AM
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At 11/25/2011 10:46:44 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/25/2011 1:10:13 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/24/2011 2:01:18 PM, TheTruthAnalyst wrote:
At 11/24/2011 1:43:15 PM, Willoweed wrote:
At 11/23/2011 6:19:09 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Are things like Medicare/Medicaid, SS, food stamps 'essential' to you?:

IF they exist, then they should be set up under their original pretense. If you want to use SSI, for instance, as your retirement fund, it should be something you can opt in to like any other 401(k) or IRA Roth. It was never intended to be a compulsory tax as it is today. As it stands, they're unconstitutional, ponzi schemes.

They are only ponzi schemes if you have no clue what ponzi schemes are and thereforhave no clue aobut what you are talking about
Also medicare and ss are mroefficent than private market comparisions so swithcign would result in making everyone poorer

They are both going bankrupt. That's not efficient.

Medicare costs 40% less than private health care and yet provides higher quality o care then private health care. SS provides 25% more benefits then any other retirement system. That is the very definition of efficient

1 - Sources?

2 - How can you call it efficient when they aren't sustainable?

ROTFL So according to you keeping seniors out of poverty and providing seniors with health care is unsustainable. What do you suggest that seniors just die at age 66 on the street