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16kadams
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12/6/2011 6:39:46 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
It cut off the title :(

My nominations for most liberal:

FDR-socialist, lengthened the depression
OBAMA-socialist leaning, worsened the recession, tripled the debt.
JFK-he did nothing, and it was a republican = rights bill, so you ct say that he did that. And his approval sucked, until he was assassinated then his popularity was 99%

Most conservative:

Ronald reagan- tax cuts saved us from 2 economic downturns, led to a healing of a 3rd, but rose the debt (forgot to cut spending like the speaker newt did in the 90s and that every republican wants now)

Richard Nixon: Was a great president. They proved he didn't even know about the Watergate until he was told, and stepped in to save his friends. Ended the Vietnam war and ended many wars.

George W. Bush on his first term: Was the best president his first term. Fought terrorism, saved us from the 1st inherited recession, and kept the a surplus for a year, the wars forced him to ramp up spending, yet the wars helped us at the time. The second term he was a pinko though with the liberal economics he adopted, which failed.
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12/6/2011 6:41:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
any add ons are allowed. I'd prefer not argue about my choices
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12/7/2011 2:42:33 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2011 6:39:46 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It cut off the title :(

My nominations for most liberal:

FDR-socialist, lengthened the depression
OBAMA-socialist leaning, worsened the recession, tripled the debt.
JFK-he did nothing, and it was a republican = rights bill, so you ct say that he did that. And his approval sucked, until he was assassinated then his popularity was 99%

Most conservative:

Ronald reagan- tax cuts saved us from 2 economic downturns, led to a healing of a 3rd, but rose the debt (forgot to cut spending like the speaker newt did in the 90s and that every republican wants now)

Richard Nixon: Was a great president. They proved he didn't even know about the Watergate until he was told, and stepped in to save his friends. Ended the Vietnam war and ended many wars.

George W. Bush on his first term: Was the best president his first term. Fought terrorism, saved us from the 1st inherited recession, and kept the a surplus for a year, the wars forced him to ramp up spending, yet the wars helped us at the time. The second term he was a pinko though with the liberal economics he adopted, which failed.

LOL today's conservative is just a 1950's Liberal. I love the sliding scale.
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12/7/2011 4:04:33 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 2:42:33 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 12/6/2011 6:39:46 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It cut off the title :(

My nominations for most liberal:

FDR-socialist, lengthened the depression
OBAMA-socialist leaning, worsened the recession, tripled the debt.
JFK-he did nothing, and it was a republican = rights bill, so you ct say that he did that. And his approval sucked, until he was assassinated then his popularity was 99%

Most conservative:

Ronald reagan- tax cuts saved us from 2 economic downturns, led to a healing of a 3rd, but rose the debt (forgot to cut spending like the speaker newt did in the 90s and that every republican wants now)

Richard Nixon: Was a great president. They proved he didn't even know about the Watergate until he was told, and stepped in to save his friends. Ended the Vietnam war and ended many wars.

George W. Bush on his first term: Was the best president his first term. Fought terrorism, saved us from the 1st inherited recession, and kept the a surplus for a year, the wars forced him to ramp up spending, yet the wars helped us at the time. The second term he was a pinko though with the liberal economics he adopted, which failed.

LOL today's conservative is just a 1950's Liberal. I love the sliding scale.

How is that true? 1950s liberals were pretty similar to the liberals of today. Same applies for most post FDR liberals. Depends on how you define conservative and liberal, I guess.
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12/7/2011 9:26:53 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 2:42:33 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 12/6/2011 6:39:46 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It cut off the title :(

My nominations for most liberal:

FDR-socialist, lengthened the depression
OBAMA-socialist leaning, worsened the recession, tripled the debt.
JFK-he did nothing, and it was a republican = rights bill, so you ct say that he did that. And his approval sucked, until he was assassinated then his popularity was 99%

Most conservative:

Ronald reagan- tax cuts saved us from 2 economic downturns, led to a healing of a 3rd, but rose the debt (forgot to cut spending like the speaker newt did in the 90s and that every republican wants now)

Richard Nixon: Was a great president. They proved he didn't even know about the Watergate until he was told, and stepped in to save his friends. Ended the Vietnam war and ended many wars.

George W. Bush on his first term: Was the best president his first term. Fought terrorism, saved us from the 1st inherited recession, and kept the a surplus for a year, the wars forced him to ramp up spending, yet the wars helped us at the time. The second term he was a pinko though with the liberal economics he adopted, which failed.

LOL today's conservative is just a 1950's Liberal. I love the sliding scale.

Yes after WWII the scales changed, so I agree with him
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12/7/2011 9:47:31 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
Modern Liberalism is Social Liberalism. The first Social Liberal President was Woody Wilson.
Wilson was inspired by Teddy Roosevelt, who was a Conservative-Progressive.

Prior to WWII the Conservatism in the US was traditional Conservatism. After WWII in the 1950's it changed to Liberal Conservatism.

Liberal Conservatism in the classic liberal sense that is.

Classic Liberals are modern day Libertarians.
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12/7/2011 11:25:28 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 4:04:33 AM, jat93 wrote:
At 12/7/2011 2:42:33 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 12/6/2011 6:39:46 PM, 16kadams wrote:
It cut off the title :(

My nominations for most liberal:

FDR-socialist, lengthened the depression
OBAMA-socialist leaning, worsened the recession, tripled the debt.
JFK-he did nothing, and it was a republican = rights bill, so you ct say that he did that. And his approval sucked, until he was assassinated then his popularity was 99%

Most conservative:

Ronald reagan- tax cuts saved us from 2 economic downturns, led to a healing of a 3rd, but rose the debt (forgot to cut spending like the speaker newt did in the 90s and that every republican wants now)

Richard Nixon: Was a great president. They proved he didn't even know about the Watergate until he was told, and stepped in to save his friends. Ended the Vietnam war and ended many wars.

George W. Bush on his first term: Was the best president his first term. Fought terrorism, saved us from the 1st inherited recession, and kept the a surplus for a year, the wars forced him to ramp up spending, yet the wars helped us at the time. The second term he was a pinko though with the liberal economics he adopted, which failed.

LOL today's conservative is just a 1950's Liberal. I love the sliding scale.

How is that true? 1950s liberals were pretty similar to the liberals of today. Same applies for most post FDR liberals. Depends on how you define conservative and liberal, I guess.

Well no, The people with the delineated conservative ideals of today were southern Democrats of the 50's. LBJ comes to mind. You are correct about FDR but Reagan was just an anti communist democrat liberal..in the 50's...he changed parties and renounced his union roots because he saw unions as communist. See, your list made my point, and FYI ole Ronnie thought FDR was a great President, that why he voted for him 4 times.

Conservatism in the US has its roots in the late 40's with the publication of the book Witness by Chambers and later God and Man at Yale by Buckley. Buckley then founded National Review and pushed for the nomination og Goldwater in 1964. Conservatives opposed Truman and the Korean involvement on Constitutional grounds, as too Iraq for the same reasons. (Conservative principles of those early days make GWB look like FDR on steroids) Since then it has become watered down by the like of Rush and GWB so that currently it is a collection of ideologues without an original thought among them. eg True Conservatives agree with true Liberals that the education system in the US is in trouble, they disagree over the best way to fix it, they do not disagree on what needs to be taught. Hint Business and Computers are not subjects for Undergraduate degrees.