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12/6/2011 9:36:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Wow I thought being pro-life was a minority, but not:http://www.gallup.com...

This amazed me
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12/6/2011 9:38:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
also women consider themselves pro life now which was really interesting, america is changing...For the better in my view. Please dont argue with me, it is just an interesting poll I found.
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12/6/2011 9:40:08 PM
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slightly different results, but same trend:http://www.nytimes.com...
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12/6/2011 10:26:07 PM
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At 12/6/2011 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
slightly different results, but same trend:http://www.nytimes.com...

Interesting, I wouldn't say I'm a strong Pro-Lifer, but I'm fairly Pro-Life. Definitely against abortion.
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12/6/2011 10:32:38 PM
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This is a step in the right direction, I would say.
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12/6/2011 10:43:09 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
As an anti statist, I hesitate to say I am pro life.

However, as long as the state exists, there is nothing wrong with anti abortion laws if people people believe abortion is murder.

Whether or not a fetus is a life is the key part of this debate. Different societies have different definitions of life, so different societies should have different abortion laws.

Personally, I think abortion should be as illegal as murder.
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12/6/2011 10:48:03 PM
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At 12/6/2011 10:26:07 PM, cameronl35 wrote:
At 12/6/2011 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
slightly different results, but same trend:http://www.nytimes.com...

Interesting, I wouldn't say I'm a strong Pro-Lifer, but I'm fairly Pro-Life. Definitely against abortion.

I am strongly pro-life, it should be not allowed unless the woman's life is in danger. I may get in trouble for saying this but here is: liberals think there is nothing wrong with killing innocent babies, yet they say that it is intolerable to kill a murderer.

That might get a stir.
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12/6/2011 11:01:34 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2011 10:48:03 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/6/2011 10:26:07 PM, cameronl35 wrote:
At 12/6/2011 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
slightly different results, but same trend:http://www.nytimes.com...

Interesting, I wouldn't say I'm a strong Pro-Lifer, but I'm fairly Pro-Life. Definitely against abortion.

I am strongly pro-life, it should be not allowed unless the woman's life is in danger. I may get in trouble for saying this but here is: liberals think there is nothing wrong with killing innocent babies, yet they say that it is intolerable to kill a murderer.

That might get a stir.

This.
Liberal view: Lets kill innocent babies but let loose that murderer who will most likely murder again.
Conservative view: Lets save innocent babies and kill the murderer so that he doesn't kill again.
Which sounds more rational?

@topic: This is a step in the right direction. I firmly believe that our generation will be the turning point of abortion laws.
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12/6/2011 11:05:46 PM
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At 12/6/2011 11:01:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/6/2011 10:48:03 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/6/2011 10:26:07 PM, cameronl35 wrote:
At 12/6/2011 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
slightly different results, but same trend:http://www.nytimes.com...

Interesting, I wouldn't say I'm a strong Pro-Lifer, but I'm fairly Pro-Life. Definitely against abortion.

I am strongly pro-life, it should be not allowed unless the woman's life is in danger. I may get in trouble for saying this but here is: liberals think there is nothing wrong with killing innocent babies, yet they say that it is intolerable to kill a murderer.

That might get a stir.

This.
Liberal view: Lets kill innocent babies but let loose that murderer who will most likely murder again.
Conservative view: Lets save innocent babies and kill the murderer so that he doesn't kill again.
Which sounds more rational?

@topic: This is a step in the right direction. I firmly believe that our generation will be the turning point of abortion laws.

AGREED. This topic needs a liberal view so that we can start the normal arguments on these types of forums lol.
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12/7/2011 1:36:49 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2011 11:05:46 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/6/2011 11:01:34 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/6/2011 10:48:03 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/6/2011 10:26:07 PM, cameronl35 wrote:
At 12/6/2011 9:40:08 PM, 16kadams wrote:
slightly different results, but same trend:http://www.nytimes.com...

Interesting, I wouldn't say I'm a strong Pro-Lifer, but I'm fairly Pro-Life. Definitely against abortion.

I am strongly pro-life, it should be not allowed unless the woman's life is in danger. I may get in trouble for saying this but here is: liberals think there is nothing wrong with killing innocent babies, yet they say that it is intolerable to kill a murderer.

That might get a stir.

This.
Liberal view: Lets kill innocent babies but let loose that murderer who will most likely murder again.
Conservative view: Lets save innocent babies and kill the murderer so that he doesn't kill again.
Which sounds more rational?

@topic: This is a step in the right direction. I firmly believe that our generation will be the turning point of abortion laws.

AGREED. This topic needs a liberal view so that we can start the normal arguments on these types of forums lol.

In keeping with your earlier request, I will not argue. I will simply agree that was an interesting poll.
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12/7/2011 3:48:55 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
I also won't argue as per your request, however I want to help society by providing abortions in areas where access is limited so of course I disagree that this is a step in the right direction.
I also see no way anti abortion laws could ever be considered pro woman, pro child, or pro life (a sign near my dads house literally says that. I really wanna make a sign that goes slightly over it so it appears to say "pro abortion, pro woman, pro child, pro life" cause really imho you can't be both pro life and anti abortion legalilty.
Also ppl that identify as "pro life" may not vote like that, its a popular thing I've noticed ppl say "I'm pro life, but not in the voting booths!" Or ppl that identify as against abortion in most or even all cases that believe as I do that you cannot vote against abortion legality and also consider yourself "pro life" so I don't think the information is very accurate in predicting changes in law, or support of obama due to -this- issue.

Also I find it laughable that they say liberals tend to support anything obama does...
Most liberals hate obama....just hate the tea party and republicans more, or for "stronger" reasons.
I for one am sick of the liberal presidents being pusssies and never standing up for what they believe in and compromising everything, and then conservative ones pushing their agendas with little backlash.
How likely any conservative president will have the tea party threaten the country to make the president go against his(/her?) Beliefs? I mean I think (I don't know for sure!) That near identacle bills (sopa and protect ip) were mentioned at the same time, one by a rep and one by a dem, and the tea party only stands against one. I'm too lazy to wikipedia them to sort out which is which but for a while my <3 went to the tea party (I was writing a paper on them and was looking at groups that support/oppose both of the bills) until I realized they only took a stand againsg one of them.
Which that's their right...but all I'm saying is I'm sick of the reps having them to hold this country hostage to push that agenda but we don't have ANY -real- assertive liberals, at all, and I'm real disapointed in obama for that and most def don't accept everything he does. Patriot act, prime example.
Anyway just pointing out the source seems to be biased and if the info is correct, it can't truly measure shifting opinions when it comes to laws.
Laws that would restrict some contraception, plan b pills, miscarriages, (esp if as a result from a fall or such, as "manslaughter" or such) and prosecute mothers for them have HUGE backlash, esp in the "pro life" community. I've yet to hear someone (in person) say such laws would ever be okay and many say they would have supported if the law said 40 days or such but after that kind of attempt it'd be a very real, very dangerous slippery slope, resulting in them becoming more "pro life but not when voting" types, so assuming anti abortion is the goal and is the best result, and illegal abortions wouldn't ever happen...trying to push the anti abortion agenda too much too fast, even in hjgh anti abortion areas could be really bad for the cause.

Anyway ill stop talking cause I'm sure my rambling at 4 am got me off topic
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12/7/2011 8:02:04 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2011 3:48:55 AM, lovelife wrote:
I also won't argue as per your request, however I want to help society by providing abortions in areas where access is limited so of course I disagree that this is a step in the right direction.
I also see no way anti abortion laws could ever be considered pro woman, pro child, or pro life (a sign near my dads house literally says that. I really wanna make a sign that goes slightly over it so it appears to say "pro abortion, pro woman, pro child, pro life" cause really imho you can't be both pro life and anti abortion legalilty.
Also ppl that identify as "pro life" may not vote like that, its a popular thing I've noticed ppl say "I'm pro life, but not in the voting booths!" Or ppl that identify as against abortion in most or even all cases that believe as I do that you cannot vote against abortion legality and also consider yourself "pro life" so I don't think the information is very accurate in predicting changes in law, or support of obama due to -this- issue.

Also I find it laughable that they say liberals tend to support anything obama does...
Most liberals hate obama....just hate the tea party and republicans more, or for "stronger" reasons.
I for one am sick of the liberal presidents being pusssies and never standing up for what they believe in and compromising everything, and then conservative ones pushing their agendas with little backlash.
How likely any conservative president will have the tea party threaten the country to make the president go against his(/her?) Beliefs? I mean I think (I don't know for sure!) That near identacle bills (sopa and protect ip) were mentioned at the same time, one by a rep and one by a dem, and the tea party only stands against one. I'm too lazy to wikipedia them to sort out which is which but for a while my <3 went to the tea party (I was writing a paper on them and was looking at groups that support/oppose both of the bills) until I realized they only took a stand againsg one of them.
Which that's their right...but all I'm saying is I'm sick of the reps having them to hold this country hostage to push that agenda but we don't have ANY -real- assertive liberals, at all, and I'm real disapointed in obama for that and most def don't accept everything he does. Patriot act, prime example.
Anyway just pointing out the source seems to be biased and if the info is correct, it can't truly measure shifting opinions when it comes to laws.
Laws that would restrict some contraception, plan b pills, miscarriages, (esp if as a result from a fall or such, as "manslaughter" or such) and prosecute mothers for them have HUGE backlash, esp in the "pro life" community. I've yet to hear someone (in person) say such laws would ever be okay and many say they would have supported if the law said 40 days or such but after that kind of attempt it'd be a very real, very dangerous slippery slope, resulting in them becoming more "pro life but not when voting" types, so assuming anti abortion is the goal and is the best result, and illegal abortions wouldn't ever happen...trying to push the anti abortion agenda too much too fast, even in hjgh anti abortion areas could be really bad for the cause.

Anyway ill stop talking cause I'm sure my rambling at 4 am got me off topic

Yes, you can be pro-life and anti-abortion.
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12/7/2011 8:17:27 AM
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At 12/7/2011 3:48:55 AM, lovelife wrote:
I also won't argue as per your request, however I want to help society by providing abortions in areas where access is limited so of course I disagree that this is a step in the right direction.
I also see no way anti abortion laws could ever be considered pro woman, pro child, or pro life (a sign near my dads house literally says that. I really wanna make a sign that goes slightly over it so it appears to say "pro abortion, pro woman, pro child, pro life" cause really imho you can't be both pro life and anti abortion legalilty.
Also ppl that identify as "pro life" may not vote like that, its a popular thing I've noticed ppl say "I'm pro life, but not in the voting booths!" Or ppl that identify as against abortion in most or even all cases that believe as I do that you cannot vote against abortion legality and also consider yourself "pro life" so I don't think the information is very accurate in predicting changes in law, or support of obama due to -this- issue.

Also I find it laughable that they say liberals tend to support anything obama does...
Most liberals hate obama....just hate the tea party and republicans more, or for "stronger" reasons.
I for one am sick of the liberal presidents being pusssies and never standing up for what they believe in and compromising everything, and then conservative ones pushing their agendas with little backlash.
How likely any conservative president will have the tea party threaten the country to make the president go against his(/her?) Beliefs? I mean I think (I don't know for sure!) That near identacle bills (sopa and protect ip) were mentioned at the same time, one by a rep and one by a dem, and the tea party only stands against one. I'm too lazy to wikipedia them to sort out which is which but for a while my <3 went to the tea party (I was writing a paper on them and was looking at groups that support/oppose both of the bills) until I realized they only took a stand againsg one of them.
Which that's their right...but all I'm saying is I'm sick of the reps having them to hold this country hostage to push that agenda but we don't have ANY -real- assertive liberals, at all, and I'm real disapointed in obama for that and most def don't accept everything he does. Patriot act, prime example.
Anyway just pointing out the source seems to be biased and if the info is correct, it can't truly measure shifting opinions when it comes to laws.
Laws that would restrict some contraception, plan b pills, miscarriages, (esp if as a result from a fall or such, as "manslaughter" or such) and prosecute mothers for them have HUGE backlash, esp in the "pro life" community. I've yet to hear someone (in person) say such laws would ever be okay and many say they would have supported if the law said 40 days or such but after that kind of attempt it'd be a very real, very dangerous slippery slope, resulting in them becoming more "pro life but not when voting" types, so assuming anti abortion is the goal and is the best result, and illegal abortions wouldn't ever happen...trying to push the anti abortion agenda too much too fast, even in hjgh anti abortion areas could be really bad for the cause.

Anyway ill stop talking cause I'm sure my rambling at 4 am got me off topic

Let's not argue, but I think abortions should be illegal except in cases where the woman's life is in danger. But this topic is touchy (that's for the no arguing request). These arguments don't change people minds. Good response though
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12/7/2011 9:42:28 AM
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My view on abortion

Illegal except in cases where it is 100% sure that the mother will die if the child is born. If there is a possibility to save both of them, the risk should be taken.
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12/7/2011 6:12:30 PM
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At 12/7/2011 9:42:28 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
My view on abortion

Illegal except in cases where it is 100% sure that the mother will die if the child is born. If there is a possibility to save both of them, the risk should be taken.

agreed
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12/7/2011 6:14:17 PM
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At 12/7/2011 9:42:28 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
My view on abortion

Illegal except in cases where it is 100% sure that the mother will die if the child is born. If there is a possibility to save both of them, the risk should be taken.

Why save the mother at all? Clearly the child is more important . . .
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12/7/2011 6:24:23 PM
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At 12/7/2011 6:14:17 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 12/7/2011 9:42:28 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
My view on abortion

Illegal except in cases where it is 100% sure that the mother will die if the child is born. If there is a possibility to save both of them, the risk should be taken.

Why save the mother at all? Clearly the child is more important . . .

Because the survival of two is better than the survival of one.

However, if the mother is already in birth or on the surgery table and you can only save her or the baby, pick the baby.
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12/7/2011 6:29:01 PM
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At 12/7/2011 6:14:17 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 12/7/2011 9:42:28 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
My view on abortion

Illegal except in cases where it is 100% sure that the mother will die if the child is born. If there is a possibility to save both of them, the risk should be taken.

Why save the mother at all? Clearly the child is more important . . .

knuckle is right, the baby has a right to live, and so does the woman. Letting her live means that the baby dies, but it is rare. Only 3% of abortions are done in these instances. So, the baby has a right to life, but the moms life is better than the kids. Her choice is not more important than a life, understand our common view?
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12/7/2011 7:14:10 PM
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I dont know about you guys, but when a forum dies down it feels really odd
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12/13/2011 7:35:24 AM
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That scares me...
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12/13/2011 7:36:26 AM
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I feel like if people want to be pro life, all of the rape babies should be sent to those people.
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12/13/2011 8:54:47 PM
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At 12/13/2011 7:36:26 AM, lotus_flower wrote:
I feel like if people want to be pro life, all of the rape babies should be sent to those people.

Are you implying that it is not the women's fault that the rape happened?
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12/13/2011 8:59:06 PM
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At 12/6/2011 10:43:09 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Whether or not a fetus is a life is the key part of this debate. Different societies have different definitions of life, so different societies should have different abortion laws.


And yet we are taught that anything made up of cells is living in Biology.
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12/13/2011 9:32:09 PM
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At 12/7/2011 6:24:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/7/2011 6:14:17 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 12/7/2011 9:42:28 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
My view on abortion

Illegal except in cases where it is 100% sure that the mother will die if the child is born. If there is a possibility to save both of them, the risk should be taken.

Why save the mother at all? Clearly the child is more important . . .

Because the survival of two is better than the survival of one.

However, if the mother is already in birth or on the surgery table and you can only save her or the baby, pick the baby.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm glad to know you feel so strongly about it, seeing as how you will NEVER EVER BE IN THAT POSITION.

Disgusting.
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12/13/2011 9:37:35 PM
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At 12/13/2011 7:36:26 AM, lotus_flower wrote:
I feel like if people want to be pro life, all of the rape babies should be sent to those people.

Well, really, any baby born is beneficial to the economy. First off, you can sell your baby to some rich family that can't conceive and be all like, "Haha, rapist. I gotz monies off your sperm." Also, the DNA is in the baby too. So, babies are profitable. Also, if someone adopts they won't keep trying so hard to conceive or get a surrogate. Too many babies are born in this here country.
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12/13/2011 9:56:13 PM
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At 12/13/2011 9:32:09 PM, Oryus wrote:
At 12/7/2011 6:24:23 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/7/2011 6:14:17 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 12/7/2011 9:42:28 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
My view on abortion

Illegal except in cases where it is 100% sure that the mother will die if the child is born. If there is a possibility to save both of them, the risk should be taken.

Why save the mother at all? Clearly the child is more important . . .

Because the survival of two is better than the survival of one.

However, if the mother is already in birth or on the surgery table and you can only save her or the baby, pick the baby.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm glad to know you feel so strongly about it, seeing as how you will NEVER EVER BE IN THAT POSITION.

Disgusting.

Would you like to debate that?
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12/13/2011 10:02:11 PM
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Debate challenge sent:
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12/13/2011 11:00:16 PM
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hahah Osyrus decided to decline.

I wonder why....?
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12/13/2011 11:27:45 PM
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hahah Osyrus decided to decline.

I wonder why....?

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Oryus
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12/14/2011 12:07:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/13/2011 11:27:45 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 12/13/2011 11:00:16 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
hahah Osyrus decided to decline.

I wonder why....?

"I understand that this might be a personal topic, but that is not an excuse for not debating it."

Now that is debatable.

Ha. That Lordknuckle even deserves a reason for the decline is laughable. As if I owed him the minimal respect of giving an 'acceptable' excuse to decline such a debate.

@lordknuckle
You don't believe I deserve the right to fight for my own life in a fatal pregnancy- why should I respect your right to a reasonable excuse for the decline? You assert that I should be legally forced into martyrdom if faced with a fatal pregnancy? Then, consider me your enemy, LordKnuckle.

You could not say a single worse thing to me than arguing that I, and all my family members, deserve further unspeakable pain and suffering when already faced with unspeakable pain and suffering. This topic could not be any more personal and, for the last time, I will not debate with the grim reaper whether I deserve to die in certain scenarios. If my open admission of everything I have said is not evidence enough for how very little I care about your demand for a reasonable "excuse," I don't know what is.
: : :Tulle: The fool, I purposely don't engage with you because you don't have proper command of the English language.
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: : The Fool: It's my English writing. Either way It's okay have a larger vocabulary then you, and a better grasp of language, and you're a woman.
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: I'm just going to leave this precious struggle nugget right here.