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12/10/2011 10:36:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Amendment means "to change" or "revise," so, that's what amendments are for.
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12/10/2011 10:42:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 10:36:20 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Amendment means "to change" or "revise," so, that's what amendments are for.

Methinks he means "would you not add an amendment or would you, and if so, what?"
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12/10/2011 10:54:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 10:33:02 AM, ianspigler wrote:
What would you do? Would you leave the Constitution as is or, would you make an amendment and what would it be? Post Below.

Yea sure, Id add an amendment:
Voting is not a Right, by and through this amendment only those who have reached their twenty-fifth birthday, are citizens of the USA, have passed the literacy tests and own, w/o encumbrances, real property shall be permitted to vote.
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12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.
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12/10/2011 11:12:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.:

Heil Hitler!!!

*Nazi salute*
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12/10/2011 11:25:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
balanced budget amendment
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12/10/2011 11:26:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:12:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.:

Heil Hitler!!!

*Nazi salute*

Hitler was actually for abortion treatments. But the IQ thing is dd.
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12/10/2011 11:29:42 AM
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Term limits
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12/10/2011 11:40:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:12:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.:

Heil Hitler!!!

*Nazi salute*

lol.
Abortion has nothing to do with nazism.

I believe that mandatory IQ tests are necessary because only educated and smart people will be able to vote on key issues.

Lets face it, many people vote based on preferences that have nothing to do with the actual policies of the candidate. EX. Bush 2nd term and Obama 1st term.
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12/10/2011 11:43:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:40:17 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:12:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.:

Heil Hitler!!!

*Nazi salute*

lol.
Abortion has nothing to do with nazism.

I believe that mandatory IQ tests are necessary because only educated and smart people will be able to vote on key issues.

Lets face it, many people vote based on preferences that have nothing to do with the actual policies of the candidate. EX. Bush 2nd term and Obama 1st term.

LOL educated and smart and/or intelligence are mutually exclusive.
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12/10/2011 11:46:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:43:13 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:40:17 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:12:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.:

Heil Hitler!!!

*Nazi salute*

lol.
Abortion has nothing to do with nazism.

I believe that mandatory IQ tests are necessary because only educated and smart people will be able to vote on key issues.

Lets face it, many people vote based on preferences that have nothing to do with the actual policies of the candidate. EX. Bush 2nd term and Obama 1st term.

LOL educated and smart and/or intelligence are mutually exclusive.

lol. Enlighten me.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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12/10/2011 11:48:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.

.....and those are totally not fascist policies....right. I don't know how you can advocate these things and then turn around and have the audacity to say you are for limited government and freedom.

This is all to the your first Amendment proposal. Your second proposal is also fascist, as it places those who are "dumb" under the total subjugation of the government, with NO SAY,...and it tears down the very representative spirit of government, HIGHLY unamerican. I don't know what I can say that isn't offensive to make you see why these ideas are just so so so so so very wrong.
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12/10/2011 11:49:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:48:40 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.

.....and those are totally not fascist policies....right. I don't know how you can advocate these things and then turn around and have the audacity to say you are for limited government and freedom.

This is all to the your first Amendment proposal. Your second proposal is also fascist, as it places those who are "dumb" under the total subjugation of the government, with NO SAY,...and it tears down the very representative spirit of DEMOCRACY, HIGHLY unamerican. I don't know what I can say that isn't offensive to make you see why these ideas are just so so so so so very wrong.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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12/10/2011 11:53:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:48:40 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.

.....and those are totally not fascist policies....right. I don't know how you can advocate these things and then turn around and have the audacity to say you are for limited government and freedom.

This is all to the your first Amendment proposal. Your second proposal is also fascist, as it places those who are "dumb" under the total subjugation of the government, with NO SAY,...and it tears down the very representative spirit of government, HIGHLY unamerican. I don't know what I can say that isn't offensive to make you see why these ideas are just so so so so so very wrong.

More utter bovine scatology from the non-sensical left.

WOMAN DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO ABORTION. Period. Everybody has a right to life, including the baby.
Even if people aren't sure whether its a human or not, benefit of the doubt should be given to life.

Many of the people who are currently voting, do not have any knowledge about politics. They simply vote on racial or preferential biases (Obama). This in essence has led to the failure that is our country.
It is for the greater good if only knowledgable people are allowed to vote.
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12/10/2011 11:53:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
LOL educated and smart and/or intelligence are mutually exclusive.

lol. Enlighten me.

Many educated are considered smart but have a IQ of below 100, Many with an Q over 135, do very poorly in school, ergo considered uneducated and/or Izbo's favorite term. (hint not the F word) Lastly, IQ is a sliding scale making Idiocracy prophetic.
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12/10/2011 11:54:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
This topic is about what you would do to amend the constitution.

I would take away the right to vote for some people.

I don't care what political ideology it is affiliated with. It is for the greater good.
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12/10/2011 11:55:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:53:58 AM, logicrules wrote:
LOL educated and smart and/or intelligence are mutually exclusive.

lol. Enlighten me.

Many educated are considered smart but have a IQ of below 100, Many with an Q over 135, do very poorly in school, ergo considered uneducated and/or Izbo's favorite term. (hint not the F word) Lastly, IQ is a sliding scale making Idiocracy prophetic.

Stats?
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12/10/2011 11:58:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:53:46 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:48:40 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.

.....and those are totally not fascist policies....right. I don't know how you can advocate these things and then turn around and have the audacity to say you are for limited government and freedom.

This is all to the your first Amendment proposal. Your second proposal is also fascist, as it places those who are "dumb" under the total subjugation of the government, with NO SAY,...and it tears down the very representative spirit of government, HIGHLY unamerican. I don't know what I can say that isn't offensive to make you see why these ideas are just so so so so so very wrong.

More utter bovine scatology from the non-sensical left.

WOMAN DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO ABORTION. Period. Everybody has a right to life, including the baby.
Even if people aren't sure whether its a human or not, benefit of the doubt should be given to life.

Many of the people who are currently voting, do not have any knowledge about politics. They simply vote on racial or preferential biases (Obama). This in essence has led to the failure that is our country.
It is for the greater good if only knowledgable people are allowed to vote.

You know what, how about a debate. I'll get you with the abortion issue later, I think this belief of yours is much much more dangerous.

RESOLVED: In a Democracy, IQ tests should be mandatory before voting
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12/10/2011 12:01:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:58:55 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:53:46 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:48:40 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.

.....and those are totally not fascist policies....right. I don't know how you can advocate these things and then turn around and have the audacity to say you are for limited government and freedom.

This is all to the your first Amendment proposal. Your second proposal is also fascist, as it places those who are "dumb" under the total subjugation of the government, with NO SAY,...and it tears down the very representative spirit of government, HIGHLY unamerican. I don't know what I can say that isn't offensive to make you see why these ideas are just so so so so so very wrong.

More utter bovine scatology from the non-sensical left.

WOMAN DO NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO ABORTION. Period. Everybody has a right to life, including the baby.
Even if people aren't sure whether its a human or not, benefit of the doubt should be given to life.

Many of the people who are currently voting, do not have any knowledge about politics. They simply vote on racial or preferential biases (Obama). This in essence has led to the failure that is our country.
It is for the greater good if only knowledgable people are allowed to vote.

You know what, how about a debate. I'll get you with the abortion issue later, I think this belief of yours is much much more dangerous.

RESOLVED: In a Democracy, IQ tests should be mandatory before voting

Sure I'll do a debate.
However, I do not accept that resolution.
I gotta log off now, be back soon.
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12/10/2011 12:03:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 12:01:59 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

Sure I'll do a debate.
However, I do not accept that resolution.
I gotta log off now, be back soon.

Okay then, what resolution do you propose?
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12/10/2011 12:08:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ban Abortion, Term limits, make it so that Congress has to pass a balanced budget, Vote ID, raise voter age to 21-25, and yeah that is all I got.
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12/10/2011 12:10:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:40:17 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:12:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.:

Heil Hitler!!!

*Nazi salute*

lol.
Abortion has nothing to do with nazism.

I believe that mandatory IQ tests are necessary because only educated and smart people will be able to vote on key issues.

You mean only intelligent people. I know a few people with a High IQ, who are neither educated nor smart.

Intelligence is defined as "The ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills"
Smart is defined as "Exhibiting social ability or cleverness"
Educated is defined as "Resulting from or having had a good body of information about or training in a particular field or subject"

One could be intelligent, but have poor social ability or cleverness.

My brother has a High IQ, autism and anxiety. As a result he is very intelligent, he has poor social skills, and he can't think n his feet.

One could be intelligent and have a poor education.
My brother chose not to go to college, whereas I chose to go to college. Thus I am more educated than him, even though we both have high IQs which are close in range.

Lets face it, many people vote based on preferences that have nothing to do with the actual policies of the candidate. EX. Bush 2nd term and Obama 1st term.

That has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with being well informed, and well educated.

A better idea would be to require that the voters be tested on the platforms, and maybe even tested on the constitution (not interpretations; what the constitution actually says).
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12/10/2011 12:12:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:55:20 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:53:58 AM, logicrules wrote:
LOL educated and smart and/or intelligence are mutually exclusive.

lol. Enlighten me.

Many educated are considered smart but have a IQ of below 100, Many with an Q over 135, do very poorly in school, ergo considered uneducated and/or Izbo's favorite term. (hint not the F word) Lastly, IQ is a sliding scale making Idiocracy prophetic.

Stats?

With the associated probability or just the published standards for Degree programs in the US. There is also the US supreme Court in Duke, and the basic structure if the IQ test. Feel free to disagree, stats are not evidence. Statistics are also a contingent of probability.
15% of high school seniors in Ohio fail a 9th Grade proficiency test, each of the last 10 years +/- 3. IQ is adjusted so 100 is the median, explicit in the use is knowledge of the term.
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12/10/2011 12:45:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 12:03:20 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/10/2011 12:01:59 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

Sure I'll do a debate.
However, I do not accept that resolution.
I gotta log off now, be back soon.

Okay then, what resolution do you propose?

Something along the lines of

Be it resolved that in a republic society, everybody, regardless of intelligence, has the right to vote.

However, no semantic exploitation.
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12/10/2011 12:51:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 12:45:43 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 12:03:20 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/10/2011 12:01:59 PM, Lordknukle wrote:

Sure I'll do a debate.
However, I do not accept that resolution.
I gotta log off now, be back soon.

Okay then, what resolution do you propose?

Something along the lines of

Be it resolved that in a republic society, everybody, regardless of intelligence, has the right to vote.

However, no semantic exploitation.

The United States is a Democracy (more so) as well as a republic. Your policy is an addition to U.S law, therefore you cannot simply single out one. Can we both agree on the resolution: In the United States, everybody, regardless of intelligence, has the right to vote
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12/10/2011 12:55:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 11:46:21 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:43:13 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:40:17 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:12:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.:

Heil Hitler!!!

*Nazi salute*

lol.
Abortion has nothing to do with nazism.

I believe that mandatory IQ tests are necessary because only educated and smart people will be able to vote on key issues.

Lets face it, many people vote based on preferences that have nothing to do with the actual policies of the candidate. EX. Bush 2nd term and Obama 1st term.

LOL educated and smart and/or intelligence are mutually exclusive.

lol. Enlighten me.

well ask yourself this kunukle

who defines smart because a person with a 90 IQ may still be informed
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12/10/2011 1:20:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Democracy: a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them sometimes through elected officials

Republic: A state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president

Both could be correct, but we are most likely a republic.

Anyways, I wouldn't be able to do the debate for quite some time as I am in one debate tournament, possibly another (If I win), and a gay marriage debate.
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12/10/2011 1:20:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/10/2011 12:55:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:46:21 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:43:13 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:40:17 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:12:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 12/10/2011 11:07:08 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Make abortion illegal

Force people to have a mandatory IQ test before voting.:

Heil Hitler!!!

*Nazi salute*

lol.
Abortion has nothing to do with nazism.

I believe that mandatory IQ tests are necessary because only educated and smart people will be able to vote on key issues.

Lets face it, many people vote based on preferences that have nothing to do with the actual policies of the candidate. EX. Bush 2nd term and Obama 1st term.

LOL educated and smart and/or intelligence are mutually exclusive.

lol. Enlighten me.

well ask yourself this kunukle

who defines smart because a person with a 90 IQ may still be informed

Nobody is contesting that but in general, people with lower IQs have less political knowledge.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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12/11/2011 6:27:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
well ask yourself this kunukle

who defines smart because a person with a 90 IQ may still be informed

Nobody is contesting that but in general, people with lower IQs have less political knowledge.

Anecdotally, Most people with IQ's between 145 and 200 do not bother with politics. Far to many of "low" IQ involved.