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12/16/2011 4:15:45 PM
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This morning I was conservative, but I seem to be fading away from that concept. I think I am libertarian leaning...is that good?
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12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM
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Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.
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12/16/2011 4:34:55 PM
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At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

wtf no...ron paul isn't like that, I must be a mix
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12/16/2011 4:40:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

Not necessarily. For the most part, Libertarians don't want the State involved in marriage at all, regarding either homosexual or heterosexual couples. As far as abortions go, some Libertarians believe that a fetus has rights and therefore would legally be against abortions. However, most acknowledge the mother's rights to trump the fetus' rights, or more often they recognize one's personal freedom to make their own choices even if they are personally, morally against it.
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12/16/2011 4:44:19 PM
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Haha, this website has that effect on people
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12/16/2011 4:45:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:34:55 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

wtf no...ron paul isn't like that, I must be a mix

Liberatarianims advocate equal rights and liberties.
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12/16/2011 4:46:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:45:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:34:55 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

wtf no...ron paul isn't like that, I must be a mix

Liberatarianims advocate equal rights and liberties.

It depends on what side your on. Right or left? Take the political compass test online to find out.
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12/16/2011 4:47:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:15:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
This morning I was conservative, but I seem to be fading away from that concept. I think I am libertarian leaning...is that good?

Welcome to the club... there are a lot of DDO members who entered as conservatives and are now libertarians... I happen to be part of this club too
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12/16/2011 4:47:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:46:53 PM, Buckethead31594 wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:45:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:34:55 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

wtf no...ron paul isn't like that, I must be a mix

Liberatarianims advocate equal rights and liberties.

It depends on what side your on. Right or left? Take the political compass test online to find out.

sorry, that was a reply to 16kadams, not Lordknukle
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12/16/2011 4:48:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:45:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:34:55 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

wtf no...ron paul isn't like that, I must be a mix

Liberatarianims advocate equal rights and liberties.

Unlike you who advocates 1984 style totalitarianism. Got it.
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12/16/2011 4:49:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:45:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:34:55 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

wtf no...ron paul isn't like that, I must be a mix

Liberatarianims advocate equal rights and liberties.

Not my brand of libertarianism... I am a market anarchist (which is basically ancap, but I try to avoid that term)... I don't believe in all that "every human born with rights" stuff...
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12/16/2011 4:50:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

Not really... I am against gay marriage and against abortion, and I am a market anarchist... How?

Well,if we assume that we have the state even though I oppose this, there is nothing wrong with having certain traditions, like heterosexual marriage

And, if the state is going to make murder illegal, abortion should be included
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12/16/2011 5:00:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:48:46 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:45:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:34:55 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

wtf no...ron paul isn't like that, I must be a mix

Liberatarianims advocate equal rights and liberties.

Unlike you who advocates 1984 style totalitarianism. Got it.

Got a problem with that?
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12/16/2011 5:06:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

Yeah, and wanting to stay out of Israel's affairs and conflicts makes Ron Paul anti-Israel.
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12/16/2011 5:10:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 5:06:03 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

Yeah, and wanting to stay out of Israel's affairs and conflicts makes Ron Paul anti-Israel.

No, that makes him apathetic to Israel, not anti-Israel.
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12/16/2011 5:15:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm kinda conservative, but some of those views are...well... faltering. I'm lot like knuckle who believes in a dictatorship, even though he Denies it thats liberal, and I'm not like jimmy timmy, other liberals, or moderates. I'm like Rick perry view wise. But he's kinda dumb. So I am a conservative, but some libertarian views (like the war in IRAQ) are changing with me. So I am a reagan conservative...for now.
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12/16/2011 5:16:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:50:54 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Not really... I am against gay marriage and against abortion, and I am a market anarchist... How?

Well,if we assume that we have the state even though I oppose this, there is nothing wrong with having certain traditions, like heterosexual marriage

Care to debate me on it? I'm betting not, but figured I'd ask anyway.

Btw I support slavery. Why? I dunno. I guess I kinda like the tradition of it.

And, if the state is going to make murder illegal, abortion should be included

I love this after your "I don't believe in that every human born with rights stuff..." lol.
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12/16/2011 5:17:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 5:15:30 PM, 16kadams wrote:
I'm kinda conservative, but some of those views are...well... faltering. I'm lot like knuckle who believes in a dictatorship, even though he Denies it thats liberal, and I'm not like jimmy timmy, other liberals, or moderates. I'm like Rick perry view wise. But he's kinda dumb. So I am a conservative, but some libertarian views (like the war in IRAQ) are changing with me. So I am a reagan conservative...for now.

We disagree on 60% of our Big Issues. Pick a topic, any topic.
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12/16/2011 5:19:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 5:15:30 PM, 16kadams wrote:
I'm kinda conservative, but some of those views are...well... faltering. I'm lot like knuckle who believes in a dictatorship, even though he Denies it thats liberal, and I'm not like jimmy timmy, other liberals, or moderates. I'm like Rick perry view wise. But he's kinda dumb. So I am a conservative, but some libertarian views (like the war in IRAQ) are changing with me. So I am a reagan conservative...for now.

Authoritarianism can go either left or right.
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12/16/2011 5:24:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 5:16:41 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:50:54 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Not really... I am against gay marriage and against abortion, and I am a market anarchist... How?

Well,if we assume that we have the state even though I oppose this, there is nothing wrong with having certain traditions, like heterosexual marriage

Care to debate me on it? I'm betting not, but figured I'd ask anyway.

No, its kind of a boring topic to me


Btw I support slavery. Why? I dunno. I guess I kinda like the tradition of it.

Well, I guess that makes you a racist


And, if the state is going to make murder illegal, abortion should be included

I love this after your "I don't believe in that every human born with rights stuff..." lol.

I love how you imply that there is something inconsistent here, when there is not.
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12/16/2011 5:32:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 5:17:42 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 5:15:30 PM, 16kadams wrote:
I'm kinda conservative, but some of those views are...well... faltering. I'm lot like knuckle who believes in a dictatorship, even though he Denies it thats liberal, and I'm not like jimmy timmy, other liberals, or moderates. I'm like Rick perry view wise. But he's kinda dumb. So I am a conservative, but some libertarian views (like the war in IRAQ) are changing with me. So I am a reagan conservative...for now.

We disagree on 60% of our Big Issues. Pick a topic, any topic.

um...ok
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12/16/2011 5:53:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 4:15:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
This morning I was conservative, but I seem to be fading away from that concept. I think I am libertarian leaning...is that good?

The founding fathers were Libertarianism. Libertarianism is anti-Authoritarianism.

There are 4 main categories, each with 2 subcategories.

1.) Fascism (Authoritarian)
a.) Socialism (Left Wing)
b.) Nationalism (Right Wing)

2.) Libertarian (Liberty)
a.) Anarchy (Left Wing)
b.) Classic Liberal (Right Wing)

3.) Conservatism (Right Wing - Traditionalist)
a.) Traditional Conservative (Authoritarian)
b.) Liberal Conservative (Liberty)

4.) Progressive (Left Wing - Reformist)
a.) Pure Progressive (Authoritarian)
b.) Social Liberal (Liberty)
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12/16/2011 6:13:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 5:00:49 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:48:46 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:45:53 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:34:55 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:26:56 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Being a libertarian means that you advocate gay marriage and abortion.

wtf no...ron paul isn't like that, I must be a mix

Liberatarianims advocate equal rights and liberties.

Unlike you who advocates 1984 style totalitarianism. Got it.

Got a problem with that?

I got, you see yourself as O'Brien and you figure you can rise to a high position in that totalitarian regime. You've thought this out, haven't you?
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12/16/2011 6:22:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 5:24:24 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
No, its kind of a boring topic to me

That's convenient. Fortunately debating isn't about having a riveting discussion but rather defending your POV.

Well, I guess that makes you a racist

If that makes me a racist then I guess your view on gay marriage makes you a homophobic bigot. After all, both of us use "tradition" to support our view.

I love how you imply that there is something inconsistent here, when there is not.

I love how you can't see the blatant inconsistency. If you don't believe humans have rights, then abortion would not qualify as murder because the right to life is not being violated.
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12/16/2011 6:52:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 6:22:10 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 5:24:24 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
No, its kind of a boring topic to me

That's convenient. Fortunately debating isn't about having a riveting discussion but rather defending your POV.

Well, I guess that makes you a racist

If that makes me a racist then I guess your view on gay marriage makes you a homophobic bigot. After all, both of us use "tradition" to support our view.

I love how you imply that there is something inconsistent here, when there is not.

I love how you can't see the blatant inconsistency. If you don't believe humans have rights, then abortion would not qualify as murder because the right to life is not being violated.

Burn!
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12/16/2011 7:15:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 6:22:10 PM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/16/2011 5:24:24 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
No, its kind of a boring topic to me

That's convenient. Fortunately debating isn't about having a riveting discussion but rather defending your POV.

No, I debate because I enjoy debating certain topics. I don't wanna debate something I don't wanna debate... and I have no obligation to


Well, I guess that makes you a racist

If that makes me a racist then I guess your view on gay marriage makes you a homophobic bigot. After all, both of us use "tradition" to support our view.

Ya, because not having gay marriage is the equivalent of slavery


I love how you imply that there is something inconsistent here, when there is not.

I love how you can't see the blatant inconsistency. If you don't believe humans have rights, then abortion would not qualify as murder because the right to life is not being violated.

No, just because I don't think people have a "right" to live does not mean I support murder. I oppose murder because I think killing is bad in most situation, from my subjective POV...

Again, I don't believe in objective, inalienable rights... opposing murder has nothing to do with this
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12/17/2011 1:40:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I doubt that you could ever be a Libertarian. I imagine that you'd have problems relinquishing control over other people's social lives.

I mean, do you even support allowing migrants to come and go freely?
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12/17/2011 7:04:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/16/2011 5:53:41 PM, DanT wrote:
At 12/16/2011 4:15:45 PM, 16kadams wrote:
This morning I was conservative, but I seem to be fading away from that concept. I think I am libertarian leaning...is that good?

The founding fathers were Libertarianism. Libertarianism is anti-Authoritarianism.

There are 4 main categories, each with 2 subcategories.

1.) Fascism (Authoritarian)
a.) Socialism (Left Wing)
b.) Nationalism (Right Wing)

2.) Libertarian (Liberty)
a.) Anarchy (Left Wing)
b.) Classic Liberal (Right Wing)

3.) Conservatism (Right Wing - Traditionalist)
a.) Traditional Conservative (Authoritarian)
b.) Liberal Conservative (Liberty)

4.) Progressive (Left Wing - Reformist)
a.) Pure Progressive (Authoritarian)
b.) Social Liberal (Liberty)

Who says?