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12/20/2011 10:51:36 PM
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12/20/2011 11:03:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Kissinger: Obama primed to create 'New World Order'

Conflicts across the globe and an international respect for Barack Obama have created the perfect setting for establishment of "a New World Order," according to Henry Kissinger, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former secretary of state under President Nixon. (World Net Daily)

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12/21/2011 2:55:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

What isn't wrong with the New World Order, lol?

Not that I care, I don't buy into these absurd conspiracy theories anyways.
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12/21/2011 1:01:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

Centralized power, big brother surveillance, population control, stripping away civil liberties, loss of American sovereignty, microchipped population, money manipulation, stricter laws, privacy invasion, eugenics.

The New World Order is global fascist dictatorship.

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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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12/21/2011 4:06:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 1:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

Centralized power, big brother surveillance, population control, stripping away civil liberties, loss of American sovereignty, microchipped population, money manipulation, stricter laws, privacy invasion, eugenics.

Centralized power - good
Big brother surveillance - good
population control - depends on the method used, but I'd say good
stripping away civil liberties - depends on the "liberties", but I'd say good
Loss of American sovereignty - meh
microchipped population - goes under BB, good (though I believe the costs make it not good at the present time)
Money manipulation - as if that doesn't happen already anyway.
stricter laws - good
privacy invasion - good
Eugenics - eh, most cases bad, a few can be good though.


The New World Order is global fascist dictatorship.

There's the Geo we know and love, lol
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12/21/2011 4:14:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 4:06:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 12/21/2011 1:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

Centralized power, big brother surveillance, population control, stripping away civil liberties, loss of American sovereignty, microchipped population, money manipulation, stricter laws, privacy invasion, eugenics.

Centralized power - good
Big brother surveillance - good
population control - depends on the method used, but I'd say good
stripping away civil liberties - depends on the "liberties", but I'd say good
Loss of American sovereignty - meh
microchipped population - goes under BB, good (though I believe the costs make it not good at the present time)
Money manipulation - as if that doesn't happen already anyway.
stricter laws - good
privacy invasion - good
Eugenics - eh, most cases bad, a few can be good though.


The New World Order is global fascist dictatorship.

There's the Geo we know and love, lol

So, Ore_Ele is a fan of this hypothetical NWO... Shocker

Centralized Power--- If this is talking about Economic Power, we know how big of a disaster Central Economic Planning is.

Big Brother Surveillance--- I don't what kind of sick, twisted person would be a fan of this.

Population Control--- Nature is the best population control.

Getting Rid of Civil Liberties--- Again, I don't why Ore_Ele loves state control so much.

Loss of American Sovereignty--- Loss of cultural sovereignty is never a good thing.

Microchips--- Ya, again, I don't know who likes this stuff.

Money Manipulation--- Ya, this already happens.

Stricter Laws--- Why?

Privacy Invasion---- Do you really like this stuff Ore_Ele?

Eugenics--- Again, nature is the best Eugenics.
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12/21/2011 4:14:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 4:06:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 12/21/2011 1:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

Centralized power, big brother surveillance, population control, stripping away civil liberties, loss of American sovereignty, microchipped population, money manipulation, stricter laws, privacy invasion, eugenics.

Centralized power - good
Big brother surveillance - good
population control - depends on the method used, but I'd say good
stripping away civil liberties - depends on the "liberties", but I'd say good
Loss of American sovereignty - meh
microchipped population - goes under BB, good (though I believe the costs make it not good at the present time)
Money manipulation - as if that doesn't happen already anyway.
stricter laws - good
privacy invasion - good
Eugenics - eh, most cases bad, a few can be good though.



The New World Order is global fascist dictatorship.

There's the Geo we know and love, lol

And there's the fascist Ore_ele we know and love as well.
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12/21/2011 5:18:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 4:14:46 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 12/21/2011 4:06:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 12/21/2011 1:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

Centralized power, big brother surveillance, population control, stripping away civil liberties, loss of American sovereignty, microchipped population, money manipulation, stricter laws, privacy invasion, eugenics.

Centralized power - good
Big brother surveillance - good
population control - depends on the method used, but I'd say good
stripping away civil liberties - depends on the "liberties", but I'd say good
Loss of American sovereignty - meh
microchipped population - goes under BB, good (though I believe the costs make it not good at the present time)
Money manipulation - as if that doesn't happen already anyway.
stricter laws - good
privacy invasion - good
Eugenics - eh, most cases bad, a few can be good though.



The New World Order is global fascist dictatorship.

There's the Geo we know and love, lol

And there's the fascist Ore_ele we know and love as well.

I have to admit, I turn it up just a bit for Geo. Since he's called me a fascist so many times before, I kind of play the part.

Though, I feel to give a breif explination (though I won't go into a big long debate.

1) Centralized power

We can look at various nations (as done in another thread) to see even the best economies have centerialized there tax system, and legal system, and various other governmental powers. While the US dumps a lot onto the states, others, like Hong Kong, do most all through their one central government (though there is some local, not to the same degree as the US).

We can also look at companies. While they delegate their powers down to different individuals and departments, the CEO and BoD still hold the power should they choose to exercise it.

2) Big brother surveillance

Save money on expensive investigations. So and so is found dead in a back alley? Just rewind the tape on the security camera that was pointing in that direction until you see the person that dumpped the body. Since everything is on camera, you can simply follow the person that dumpped the body back to their house and go pick them up.

A 10 year old was abducted from school? Simply find them on the security cameras on the day, follow them around until you see who took them, then follow them to where they went and pick them up.

Nearly every company, big and small, recognizes how important keeping their stores under serviallence is. Why is the nation any different?

3) population control

Humans are part of nature, so our imposed controls count, don;t they.

No, but really. One key factor in if a nation is successful is if their economy is successful (though that doesn't out weigheverything else). To determine that, GDP growth needs to be above a particular threshold. Which is population growth * Inflation when represented as (1 + %).

So a 3% pop growth and a 3% inflation would require a 6.09% GDP growth or better (1.03 * 1.03 = 1.0609, or 6.09%). This will achieve constant (if threshold is met, or improved if threshold is surpassed) Real GDP per person. Since population growth is a factor in that, it needs to be controlled. However, economic prosperity is the best thing for controlling population, so little is needed other than maintaining and improving economic success.

4) stripping away civil liberties - depends on the "liberties", but I'd say good

"Liberties" is an over used word, whose definition has lost meaning. People will attach "liberty" and "right" and "freedom" to anything and everything that they want to do but can't.

Of course, I don't believe "rights" or "liberties" exist outside what the government grants us, so naturally, I would hold little value to them.

5) Loss of American sovereignty

I don't think there is anything so great about American sovereignty, just like I wouldn't think there was anything so great about Oregon sovereignty if we had it. It isn't about the sovereignty, it is about the government that you're under. Whether that be down in Salam, over in Washington D.C. and in an obiting space station controling the world.

6) microchipped population

Goes back to 2)

8) stricter laws

Obviously depends on the law. Some laws are too strick, some not strick enough. But laws need to be equal to all. Rich people steal millions, and usually get nothing, or house arrest. Some homeless guy steals $84 from a convience store and gets several years in jail.

9) privacy invasion

Goes back to 2)

10) Eugenics

Why not? If we could eliminate several diseases that plague the medical expense (which get passed on to everyone with insurance), we should. If we can implant embryos into people that want babies (but we don't want faulty genes spreding) so that they can still experience the pain and agony of pregnancy and child birth, that sounds cool to me.
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12/21/2011 7:44:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
A) Freemason =/= supporter of the NWO

B) The NWO could mean that there could be a third major superpower in play with the American and Chinese (It's probably the Indians) (semantic argument, I know)

C) Even if the NWO is a global power, even a global fascist dictatorship, it could mean that the quality of life could improve, generally. People in undeveloped nations in the third world could need the infrastructure-and order-that the NWO provides.

Not that I am a fan of secret societies or the NWO. But your argument(s) are flawed.
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12/21/2011 9:11:47 PM
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Obamas a "Rothchilds" puppet. "Freemason" LOL
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

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12/21/2011 11:48:57 PM
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lol another of the 1,000,000 reasons obama doesn't deserve a 2nd term
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12/21/2011 11:52:32 PM
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Wow. I'm impressed by OreEle. Here I was thinking everyone on this site were freedom toting anarchists who always gave the power to the people to abuse it as they see fit. That really surprises me - from so many Mafia games I never knew his political allegiances. lol
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12/22/2011 12:23:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 4:06:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 12/21/2011 1:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

Centralized power, big brother surveillance, population control, stripping away civil liberties, loss of American sovereignty, microchipped population, money manipulation, stricter laws, privacy invasion, eugenics.

Centralized power - good

Yeah just look at Nazi Germany, or North Korea.

Big brother surveillance - good

When they were passing out telescreens, I'm assuming you were the 1st in line.

population control - depends on the method used, but I'd say good

Genocide or Compulsory sterilization, which one do you advocate? Either way it's a crime against humanity.

stripping away civil liberties - depends on the "liberties", but I'd say good

Freedom is so overrated

Loss of American sovereignty - meh

Who better to govern Americans than some dude in china named Lóng Dong.

microchipped population - goes under BB, good (though I believe the costs make it not good at the present time)

Where do you want your implant?

Money manipulation - as if that doesn't happen already anyway.
stricter laws - good

Everyone loves ASBOs

privacy invasion - good

What goes on in the bedroom stays in the library of congress.
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12/22/2011 8:16:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 1:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

Centralized power,
Good. People need to be controlled.
big brother surveillance
If you've done nothing bad, you don't need to be afraid.
population control
We are overpopulated as it is.
stripping away civil liberties
This part really pisses me off. I believe that so called "rights" should not be naturally given, but instead earned or taken away based on behaviour. When people are stripped of civil liberties, they become a group, instead of individuals.

loss of American sovereignty
So?
microchipped population
Refer to 2.
money manipulation
Meh... can go either way.
stricter laws
Good
privacy invasion,
Refer to two
eugenics.
Some diseases need to be eliminated.

The New World Order is global fascist dictatorship.






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12/22/2011 8:28:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
LOL.

Compare:

1. The level of evidence required to "prove" Obama is a Free Mason.
2. The level of evidence demanded to accept Obama as a natural born citizen.
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12/22/2011 8:39:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/22/2011 8:28:08 AM, drafterman wrote:
LOL.

Compare:

1. The level of evidence required to "prove" Obama is a Free Mason.
2. The level of evidence demanded to accept Obama as a natural born citizen.

This. And, Torres, I'm impressed also that he hasn't turned to the dark side... : )
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12/22/2011 10:03:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/22/2011 12:23:32 AM, DanT wrote:
At 12/21/2011 4:06:31 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 12/21/2011 1:01:52 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/21/2011 2:49:21 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Explain what is wrong with the New World Order.

Centralized power, big brother surveillance, population control, stripping away civil liberties, loss of American sovereignty, microchipped population, money manipulation, stricter laws, privacy invasion, eugenics.

Centralized power - good

Yeah just look at Nazi Germany, or North Korea.

Let's play a game, it's called, "name that fallacy."


Big brother surveillance - good

When they were passing out telescreens, I'm assuming you were the 1st in line.

What?! When was this? I missed it; is it too late?


population control - depends on the method used, but I'd say good

Genocide or Compulsory sterilization, which one do you advocate? Either way it's a crime against humanity.

I'm guessing you didn't read my other post where I explained. This also goes to our game show of "name that fallacy."


stripping away civil liberties - depends on the "liberties", but I'd say good

Freedom is so overrated

Totally


Loss of American sovereignty - meh

Who better to govern Americans than some dude in china named Lóng Dong.

I'd say the leader should be whoever is most capable (or a panal of most capable) person in the world, rather than just the most capable in the US. Limiting your options only lowers quality.


microchipped population - goes under BB, good (though I believe the costs make it not good at the present time)

Where do you want your implant?

I'm betting you'd get yours on your middle finger, so that every time they ask to scan it, you can flip them off.

But I'm going for forearm, a little higher than the wrist. Probably nestled inbetween the two bones (for protection, I don't want to have to get it fixed a whole lot).


Money manipulation - as if that doesn't happen already anyway.
stricter laws - good

Everyone loves ASBOs


privacy invasion - good

What goes on in the bedroom stays in the library of congress.

It'll make it easier for government to get into the porn industry, thus giving them alternative revenue sources so you can pay lower taxes. You should be supporting that.
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12/22/2011 12:17:37 PM
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I'm not entirely sure that the free masons are anything at all like the conspiracy theorists claim.

Seriously, they probably just get together, drink, and listen to Skynyrd while playing billiards.
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12/22/2011 12:46:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/22/2011 12:17:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I'm not entirely sure that the free masons are anything at all like the conspiracy theorists claim.

Seriously, they probably just get together, drink, and listen to Skynyrd while playing billiards.

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12/22/2011 1:03:04 PM
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At 12/22/2011 12:46:24 PM, Ore_Ele wrote:
At 12/22/2011 12:17:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
I'm not entirely sure that the free masons are anything at all like the conspiracy theorists claim.

Seriously, they probably just get together, drink, and listen to Skynyrd while playing billiards.

killjoy

I suspect Oregon knows the secret handshake.
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12/22/2011 1:59:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/21/2011 7:44:11 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
A) Freemason =/= supporter of the NWO

I never claimed that. Henry Kissinger explicitly stated that Obama should create a New World Order. Obaama himself has even supported the New World Order not to mention the fact that he's part of two globalist organizations, the Bilderberg Group and the Council on Foreign Relations.

I agree that not all Freemasons support the NWO.

B) The NWO could mean that there could be a third major superpower in play with the American and Chinese (It's probably the Indians) (semantic argument, I know)

There's no speculation on my part, in fact you're the one speculating. Just listen to the words of Bush Sr., Zbigniew Brzezinski, David Rockefeller, Nelson Rockefeller, Victor Marcetti (CIA), etc. They have made it very clear as to what New World Order they're talking about.

C) Even if the NWO is a global power, even a global fascist dictatorship, it could mean that the quality of life could improve, generally.

I don't think I've ever heard of anyone or any instance where fascist dictatorship improves the quality of life. Just ask the Jews how much fascism improved their life.

People in undeveloped nations in the third world could need the infrastructure-and order-that the NWO provides.

The people in third world countries would probably be wiped off the map. The NWO isn't about the preservation of ALL life, only SOME life. The NWO likes population control.

Not that I am a fan of secret societies or the NWO. But your argument(s) are flawed.

Your arguments are flawed as demonstrated above.
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