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12/22/2011 6:58:00 PM
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This is a list of those important politically related books that are almost essential for everybody to read. I'll start:

1984
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12/22/2011 7:13:26 PM
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At 12/22/2011 6:58:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is a list of those important politically related books that are almost essential for everybody to read. I'll start:

1984

Orwell was a socialist.
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12/22/2011 7:15:58 PM
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At 12/22/2011 6:58:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is a list of those important politically related books that are almost essential for everybody to read. I'll start:

1984

Read it.
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12/22/2011 7:17:36 PM
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At 12/22/2011 7:13:26 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 12/22/2011 6:58:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
This is a list of those important politically related books that are almost essential for everybody to read. I'll start:

1984

Orwell was a socialist.

Yes, I know. Although, apparently some socialists are capable of writing good instructional manuals.
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12/22/2011 8:18:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Here are some very influential works, mainly anti-totalitarian, pro-capitalism/individualism:

- Road To Serfdom by Hayek
- Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
- Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
- Conscience Of A Conservative by Barry Goldwater
- Obviously 1984 which was already mentioned. Two similar ones with dystopic settings and anti-totalitarian messages are Anthem by Ayn Rand and Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.
- Maybe Slaughterhouse-five by Kurt Vonnegut?
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12/22/2011 8:49:57 PM
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The Conscience of an Anarchist by Gary Chartier
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12/22/2011 9:13:48 PM
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At 12/22/2011 7:13:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Atlas Shrugged, by Rand

best book ever. good choice

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Pin heads and patriots: Bill O'reily
Decision points: George bush
My life: bill clinton
Free to choose: Milton Friedman
An American life: Ronald Reagan
Kennedy and Nixon: forgot author, good book, look it up

I have not read many of these books but I plan too.
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12/22/2011 11:58:47 PM
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At 12/22/2011 8:18:03 PM, jat93 wrote:
Here are some very influential works, mainly anti-totalitarian, pro-capitalism/individualism:

- Road To Serfdom by Hayek
- Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
- Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
- Conscience Of A Conservative by Barry Goldwater

To counter this absurd list I will say "The Great Transformation"
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12/23/2011 12:06:23 AM
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I like the old ones-
Plato- The Republic
Plato- Gorgias

Newer ones-
Dani Rodrik- Globalization paradox
Marx and Engels- The portable Karl Marx
John Rawls- A Theory of Justice
Michael Sandel- Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do? (best overall book that is more of a survey)
Michael Sandel- Democracy's Discontent: America in Search of a Public Philosophy
Robert Nozick- Anarchy, State, and Utopia

I could go on and on!!!
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12/23/2011 9:11:12 AM
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Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith
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12/23/2011 10:03:22 AM
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The leviathan by Thomas Hobbes
Democracy: The God that failed by Hans Herman Hoppe
Neoconservativism: Why we need it by Douglas Murray
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12/23/2011 5:31:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/22/2011 11:58:47 PM, comoncents wrote:
At 12/22/2011 8:18:03 PM, jat93 wrote:
Here are some very influential works, mainly anti-totalitarian, pro-capitalism/individualism:

- Road To Serfdom by Hayek
- Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
- Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
- Conscience Of A Conservative by Barry Goldwater

To counter this absurd list I will say "The Great Transformation"

Not sure what's absurd about it... So far as I know the OP was asking for important political books, not political books that espouse philosophies that you agree with, or even anything relating to their content. These books are all hugely important and influential and have won many over to the free market/libertarian position. Whether you agree with them or not is irrelevant.
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12/23/2011 5:38:39 PM
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At 12/22/2011 8:18:03 PM, jat93 wrote:
Here are some very influential works, mainly anti-totalitarian, pro-capitalism/individualism:

- Road To Serfdom by Hayek
- Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
- Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
- Conscience Of A Conservative by Barry Goldwater
- Obviously 1984 which was already mentioned. Two similar ones with dystopic settings and anti-totalitarian messages are Anthem by Ayn Rand and Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.
- Maybe Slaughterhouse-five by Kurt Vonnegut?

Barry Goldwater?......is this a joke?
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12/23/2011 5:52:25 PM
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At 12/23/2011 5:38:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/22/2011 8:18:03 PM, jat93 wrote:
Here are some very influential works, mainly anti-totalitarian, pro-capitalism/individualism:

- Road To Serfdom by Hayek
- Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
- Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
- Conscience Of A Conservative by Barry Goldwater
- Obviously 1984 which was already mentioned. Two similar ones with dystopic settings and anti-totalitarian messages are Anthem by Ayn Rand and Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.
- Maybe Slaughterhouse-five by Kurt Vonnegut?


Barry Goldwater?......is this a joke?

Yes, it was a joke. You've got a good eye, he almost put one past us.
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12/23/2011 9:13:23 PM
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The Prince, by Niccolo Machiavelli.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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12/23/2011 9:33:58 PM
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At 12/23/2011 12:06:23 AM, comoncents wrote:
I like the old ones-
Plato- The Republic
Plato- Gorgias


Newer ones-
Dani Rodrik- Globalization paradox
Marx and Engels- The portable Karl Marx
John Rawls- A Theory of Justice
Michael Sandel- Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do? (best overall book that is more of a survey)
Michael Sandel- Democracy's Discontent: America in Search of a Public Philosophy
Robert Nozick- Anarchy, State, and Utopia


I could go on and on!!!

Plato's Republic is truly one of those works on the cusp of genius and insanity.

I mean, annually orgies, general celibacy? It's just so... I don't know. I've never made a decision about it. But, perhaps, it's just satyriasis xD.
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12/27/2011 4:35:27 PM
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At 12/23/2011 5:38:39 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 12/22/2011 8:18:03 PM, jat93 wrote:
Here are some very influential works, mainly anti-totalitarian, pro-capitalism/individualism:

- Road To Serfdom by Hayek
- Economics In One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
- Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman
- Conscience Of A Conservative by Barry Goldwater
- Obviously 1984 which was already mentioned. Two similar ones with dystopic settings and anti-totalitarian messages are Anthem by Ayn Rand and Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.
- Maybe Slaughterhouse-five by Kurt Vonnegut?


Barry Goldwater?......is this a joke?

No.... Are you a fool? Or just unaware of American history? Conscience Of A Conservative is a hugely important and influential work. Here are some quotes from the wikipedia article on Goldwater's book:

"The book reignited the American conservative movement and made Barry Goldwater a political star. The book has influenced countless conservatives in the United States, helping to lay the foundation for the Reagan Revolution in 1980."

"The book is considered to be a significant statement of politically and economically American conservative ideas which were to gain influence during the following decades."

And here's an extra long one showing how over 40 years after it was published it still influences the titles of books by important/influential politicians, economists, journalists, etc:.... "The book continues to inspire contemporary political commentary. John Dean's 2006 book Conservatives without Conscience, for example, draws both its title and some of its principles from Goldwater's book. Senator Paul Wellstone's 2001 autobiography was entitled Conscience of a Liberal. Senator Zell Miller's 2003 critique of the Democratic Party, A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat also draws the inspiration for its title from Goldwater's work. In 2007, Paul Krugman entitled his own book The Conscience of a Liberal, saying in the introduction that he wanted his work to stand as a counterpoint to Goldwater's. Former conservative journalist David Brock also alluded to Goldwater's book in his memoir Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative."

So no, I wasn't joking when I mentioned The Conscience of a Conservative as an important and influential political work. The history of modern American conservatism is relevant and certainly worth checking out whether or not you agree with its message.
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12/27/2011 4:59:58 PM
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1. The Bible
2. The Koran
3. Radical Libertarianism
4. Das Kapital
5. Mein Kampf
6. Communist Manifesto
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12/31/2011 10:34:58 PM
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Downsize This! *
Stupid White Men *
Dude, Where's my Country? *

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Back to Work - Why We Need Smart Government for a Strong Economy*

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1/20/2012 6:02:17 PM
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How many of you have actually read in their entirety the books that you are recommending? With a small number of exceptions, all the books in this thread are extremely overrated and appear to only have been listed because they're really famous. The only ones I would recommend are Slaughterhouse-Five, 1984, A Theory of Justice, Anarchy, State, and Utopia, and Democracy: The God That Failed. That's not to say that you shouldn't read any of the others (though if a book was written by a famous politician or someone like Michael Moore or Rush Limbaugh, you definitely should not read it because it's just worthless demagoguery), but something like the Bible or Das Kapital is not worth thoroughly reading without a serious, specific reason for doing so.
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1/20/2012 6:14:47 PM
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but something like the Bible or Das Kapital is not worth thoroughly reading without a serious, specific reason for doing so.

I can't believe that anybody would have read Capital here.

I would recommend:
-The Blank Slate - Steven Pinker
-The Expanding Circle - Peter Singer
-Most of the "Very Short Introduction" Series. They're lucid, 100 page guides to major thinkers written by people who are very respected in their field. Stay away from the one on Hume.
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1/20/2012 6:15:48 PM
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At 1/20/2012 6:02:17 PM, Grape wrote:
How many of you have actually read in their entirety the books that you are recommending? With a small number of exceptions, all the books in this thread are extremely overrated and appear to only have been listed because they're really famous. The only ones I would recommend are Slaughterhouse-Five, 1984, A Theory of Justice, Anarchy, State, and Utopia, and Democracy: The God That Failed. That's not to say that you shouldn't read any of the others (though if a book was written by a famous ptician or someone like Michael Moore or Rush Limbaugh, you definitely should not read it because it's just worthless demagoguery), but something like the Bible or Das Kapital is not worth thoroughly reading without a serious, specific reason for doing so.

I've actually read a lot of them including:

The Bible (Unfortunately)
Mein Kampf
1984
Animal Farm
Personal Statement
Wealth of Nations
Democracy: The God that Failed
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1/20/2012 6:21:16 PM
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At 12/22/2011 9:13:48 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/22/2011 7:13:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Atlas Shrugged, by Rand

best book ever. good choice

the way things ought to be: rush Limbaugh
Pin heads and patriots: Bill O'reily
Decision points: George bush
My life: bill clinton
Free to choose: Milton Friedman
An American life: Ronald Reagan
Kennedy and Nixon: forgot author, good book, look it up

I have not read many of these books but I plan too.

You've read Atlas Shrugged? How old were you when you read it, 12?
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1/20/2012 6:23:40 PM
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At 1/20/2012 6:21:16 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 12/22/2011 9:13:48 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 12/22/2011 7:13:53 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
Atlas Shrugged, by Rand

best book ever. good choice

the way things ought to be: rush Limbaugh
Pin heads and patriots: Bill O'reily
Decision points: George bush
My life: bill clinton
Free to choose: Milton Friedman
An American life: Ronald Reagan
Kennedy and Nixon: forgot author, good book, look it up

I have not read many of these books but I plan too.

You've read Atlas Shrugged? How old were you when you read it, 12?

I doubt it. I tried to read it during the school year, and it took me at least 4-5 months. Sooooo freakin long.
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1/20/2012 10:07:12 PM
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I doubt that I will ever get around to reading Atlas Shrugged. It's not worthwhile. The only Ayn Rand book I have read is Anthem. Ayn Rand didn't contribute anything I consider important or worthwhile. Whether she will have had a positive or negative on libertarianism in the long run may practically be up for debate considering the kind of libertarian Atlas Shrugged seems to produce.

I would second the "Very Short Introduction" books. They're very good, though I can't comment on the one on Hume.
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1/20/2012 10:11:10 PM
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At 1/20/2012 6:14:47 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
but something like the Bible or Das Kapital is not worth thoroughly reading without a serious, specific reason for doing so.

I can't believe that anybody would have read Capital here.


Why do people feel the need to recommend books that they've never read? I doubt that very many people here have even seen a copy of Capital. Reading it would be a pretty serious project, especially if you wanted to actually get something out of it. Unlike Atlas Shrugged, I am determined to read it eventually, but it will probably be years before there isn't something more pressing.