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Did the Holocaust really happen?

Rasheed
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12/30/2011 7:06:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Disclaimer: I did not chose this subject to be disrespectful to the millions of Jews who went to their deaths in the Nazi death camps, or the Jewish people in general. I believe that the overwhelming evidence supports the fact that the Holocaust did happen. I present this subject only as a point of discussion.

I watched a video by Dr. Leuchter that said that there were no gas chambers at the various concentration camps throughout the Germany and Poland http://youtu.be.... He says that the gas chamber doors were not air tight and also that the gas would have settled in bodies and on the floor, killing anyone that entered. Dr. Leuchter says that you would need far better ventilation to remove bodies and continue to kill people. What do you think?
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12/30/2011 7:08:55 PM
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Post script:

I do believe that there were gas chambers at the various concentration camps and that six million Jews lost their lives, for reasons I will explain later, but I am curious to know what the DDO community has to say about this matter.
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12/30/2011 7:35:26 PM
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Yes, the Holocaust never happened....
Million of photographs, eye witness accounts, documentation from the Nazis, documentation from the Jews, stories, and the Nuremberg Trials were all false.

Right....
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12/30/2011 7:35:43 PM
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That was sarcasm btw.
The Holocaust did happen.
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12/30/2011 7:36:09 PM
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........Does this point even need arguing!?!!?!?
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12/30/2011 7:42:02 PM
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At 12/30/2011 7:36:09 PM, OberHerr wrote:
........Does this point even need arguing!?!!?!?

It shouldn't, but holocaust deniers somehow do exist.
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12/30/2011 9:21:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/30/2011 7:06:18 PM, Rasheed wrote:
Disclaimer: I did not chose this subject to be disrespectful to the millions of Jews who went to their deaths in the Nazi death camps, or the Jewish people in general. I believe that the overwhelming evidence supports the fact that the Holocaust did happen. I present this subject only as a point of discussion.

I watched a video by Dr. Leuchter that said that there were no gas chambers at the various concentration camps throughout the Germany and Poland http://youtu.be.... He says that the gas chamber doors were not air tight and also that the gas would have settled in bodies and on the floor, killing anyone that entered. Dr. Leuchter says that you would need far better ventilation to remove bodies and continue to kill people. What do you think?

Um...all this would imply is that there was a longer wait-time between gassing the bodies and then shoveling them out.

We know how gas chambers were erected. We have physical evidence of where the pellets were inserted. There is no question.

To the extent that we know Pearl Harbor happened, we know the Holocaust happened. You might quibble about specific numbers, you might argue some extra precipitating factor, but there is simply no argument as to whether it happened.

Holocaust deniers say the equivalent of "well, sure, Pearl Habor happened, but only one ship was sunk, and the rest defected to Japan."

In this case, Dr. L is saying "The Japanese couldn't possibly sink all those American ships because the guns on their airplanes were too small."

Sounds good till you think about it for a few seconds.
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12/30/2011 9:44:41 PM
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Of course the holocaust happened. The only people who even question this are disgusting ant semites. These are the same fools who think jews were behind both 9/11 and communism.

We are talking about stupid Ron Paul supporters, white supremacists, and islamofascists.
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12/31/2011 12:55:52 AM
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At 12/30/2011 9:44:41 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Of course the holocaust happened. The only people who even question this are disgusting ant semites. These are the same fools who think jews were behind both 9/11 and communism.

We are talking about stupid Ron Paul supporters, white supremacists, and islamofascists.

To be clear, I do not think all Ron Paul supporters are holocaust deniers. In fact, I agree with Ron Paul on virtually every issue. I probably would not vote for him because I do not think he could beat Obama and he is too proned to conspiracy like theories that sound a bit cooky to me.

Having said that, there are undeniably a group of Paul supporters that do deny the holocaust and think that 9/11 was a massive conspiracy. These people are, in my opinion, idiots. And, even if you like Ron Paul, and I don't dislike Ron Paul, you must admit that this group does exist.
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12/31/2011 9:58:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/30/2011 9:44:41 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Of course the holocaust happened. The only people who even question this are disgusting ant semites. These are the same fools who think jews were behind both 9/11 and communism.

We are talking about stupid Ron Paul supporters, white supremacists, and islamofascists.

As opposed to stupid Obama supporters I guess. It is interesting that the blanket is again used to associate a candidate with a lie without actually saying so. The people who deny the Nazi Holocaust seem ignorant, but then so too man others.
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1/5/2012 8:23:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 12/30/2011 7:06:18 PM, Rasheed wrote:
I watched a video by Dr. Leuchter that said that there were no gas chambers at the various concentration camps throughout the Germany and Poland http://youtu.be.... He says that the gas chamber doors were not air tight and also that the gas would have settled in bodies and on the floor, killing anyone that entered. Dr. Leuchter says that you would need far better ventilation to remove bodies and continue to kill people. What do you think?

Yes, there were no gas chambers, just as there were no lamps made out of human skin and no boiling water chambers or mass executions by electrocution or the assorted other allied propaganda claims. The gas that was found was used for delousing clothes.
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1/5/2012 8:28:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 8:23:54 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 12/30/2011 7:06:18 PM, Rasheed wrote:
I watched a video by Dr. Leuchter that said that there were no gas chambers at the various concentration camps throughout the Germany and Poland http://youtu.be.... He says that the gas chamber doors were not air tight and also that the gas would have settled in bodies and on the floor, killing anyone that entered. Dr. Leuchter says that you would need far better ventilation to remove bodies and continue to kill people. What do you think?

Yes, there were no gas chambers, just as there were no lamps made out of human skin and no boiling water chambers or mass executions by electrocution or the assorted other allied propaganda claims. The gas that was found was used for delousing clothes.

Yeah, they just killed people by the thousands
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1/5/2012 8:32:42 PM
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http://www.ihr.org...
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1/7/2012 1:03:57 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 8:32:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
http://www.ihr.org...

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I don't know what to say.

An entire essay built on an argument that's essentially:

"The Holocaust is dubious, because accounts clearly indicate that they preferred to burn them alive instead instead of use gas chambers, for which there is no conclusive evidence."

That is... wow.
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1/7/2012 1:43:59 AM
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I love that one wnope!
Pearl Harbor deniers: "Japanese planes could not have possibly sunk all those naval ships because their guns were obviously too small."

Awesome!
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1/7/2012 1:46:19 AM
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At 1/7/2012 1:43:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I love that one wnope!
Pearl Harbor deniers: "Japanese planes could not have possibly sunk all those naval ships because their guns were obviously too small."

Awesome!

Yeah, I thought that was good as well.
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1/7/2012 1:47:36 AM
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At 1/7/2012 1:43:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I love that one wnope!
Pearl Harbor deniers: "Japanese planes could not have possibly sunk all those naval ships because their guns were obviously too small."

Awesome!

I giggled at "their guns were obviously too small".

Random bouts of immaturity FTW.
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1/7/2012 1:54:05 AM
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At 1/7/2012 1:47:36 AM, Physik wrote:
At 1/7/2012 1:43:59 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I love that one wnope!
Pearl Harbor deniers: "Japanese planes could not have possibly sunk all those naval ships because their guns were obviously too small."

Awesome!

I giggled at "their guns were obviously too small".

Random bouts of immaturity FTW.

*Sigh* I love adolescence.
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1/7/2012 3:25:32 AM
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I have never studied the claims made by holocaust deniers but I have looked at quite a few different conspiracy theories and they all seem based on the same fallacies. They ignore mountains of evidence and focus on a few relatively small things that they do not understand, claiming that if one small piece of the story is false then it all must be false. They completely disregard Occam's razor. They take everything that is unexplained and apply it as evidence towards their argument, not realizing that something that is unexplained is not evidence of anything. And many more...

I think this all comes from some psychological need to believe whatever their theory is. There are many different types of these needs however so we'll just leave it at that.
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1/7/2012 5:18:23 AM
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At 1/7/2012 3:25:32 AM, Double_R wrote:
I have never studied the claims made by holocaust deniers but I have looked at quite a few different conspiracy theories and they all seem based on the same fallacies. They ignore mountains of evidence and focus on a few relatively small things that they do not understand, claiming that if one small piece of the story is false then it all must be false. They completely disregard Occam's razor. They take everything that is unexplained and apply it as evidence towards their argument, not realizing that something that is unexplained is not evidence of anything. And many more...

I think this all comes from some psychological need to believe whatever their theory is. There are many different types of these needs however so we'll just leave it at that.

Hehe, still haven't gotten over it, eh?

Why don't you just open a debate challenge, if you're so steadfast in your perspectives? I'm sure someone will accept. :3
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1/7/2012 10:30:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think this helps prove the non-believers wrong as well:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
http://fcit.usf.edu...
http://www.google.com...
http://www.google.com...

Now this user here on deviatART says it did not happen and made full essay on how the Zionists and Communists made Hitler look bad and that there was no Holocaust:

http://browse.deviantart.com...
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1/7/2012 11:52:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/7/2012 1:03:57 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/5/2012 8:32:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
http://www.ihr.org...

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I don't know what to say.

An entire essay built on an argument that's essentially:

"The Holocaust is dubious, because accounts clearly indicate that they preferred to burn them alive instead instead of use gas chambers, for which there is no conclusive evidence."

That is... wow.

That's not the argument at all. if you read the article you would know that the "flaming ditches" are also a lie. Just like the boiling water, gassing, and electrocution lies.
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1/7/2012 12:00:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/7/2012 11:52:20 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/7/2012 1:03:57 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/5/2012 8:32:42 PM, Reasoning wrote:
http://www.ihr.org...

...

I don't know what to say.

An entire essay built on an argument that's essentially:

"The Holocaust is dubious, because accounts clearly indicate that they preferred to burn them alive instead instead of use gas chambers, for which there is no conclusive evidence."

That is... wow.

That's not the argument at all. if you read the article you would know that the "flaming ditches" are also a lie. Just like the boiling water, gassing, and electrocution lies.

Lol, what is there to argue? This claim is tantamount to saying that it's all been a big lie/conspiracy, and we'll all really breathing helium instead of oxygen.

But, since you decided to go ahead and make some false claims...

"He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews, but ... by fire; by throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before the very eyes of the deportees! No less than that!"

Of course, the paper does make the blind assertion that it's simply "rejected by historians."

...do they believe photographs from the 1940's are simply photoshopped?'

http://cdn.theatlantic.com...

http://holocaustpictures.org...

http://la8period7.pbworks.com...

http://images.encyclopedia.com...

Yeah, dude. It happened.
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1/7/2012 12:00:51 PM
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At 1/7/2012 12:00:02 PM, Ren wrote:

Lol, what is there to argue? This claim is tantamount to saying that it's all been a big lie/conspiracy, and we're all really breathing helium instead of oxygen.

Fixed.
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1/7/2012 12:07:42 PM
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If it helps hinder Holocaust deniers, your also in agreement with the Isania-erm..I mean Iranian president, who also wants to completely destroy the USA, and Israel.

So..yeah :P
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1/7/2012 12:10:45 PM
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At 1/7/2012 12:00:02 PM, Ren wrote:
...do they believe photographs from the 1940's are simply photoshopped?'

http://cdn.theatlantic.com...

http://holocaustpictures.org...

http://la8period7.pbworks.com...

http://images.encyclopedia.com...

Yeah, dude. It happened.

"Everyone is familiar with the horrific photos of dead and dying inmates found in concentration camps such as Bergen-Belsen and Nordhausen when they were liberated by British and American forces in the final weeks of the war in Europe. Many people accept these photos as proof of "the Holocaust."

In fact, these dead and dying inmates were unfortunate victims of disease and malnutrition brought on by the complete collapse of Germany in the final months of the war. Had there in fact been a comprehensive extermination program, far fewer Jews would have been found by Allied forces at the end of the war.

In the face of the advancing Soviet forces, large numbers of Jews were evacuated during the final months of the war from eastern camps and ghettos to the remaining camps in western Germany. These camps quickly became terribly overcrowded, which severely hampered efforts to prevent the spread of epidemics. Furthermore, the breakdown of the German transportation system made it impossible to supply adequate food and medicine to the camps."

http://www.ihr.org...
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1/7/2012 12:11:00 PM
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At 1/7/2012 12:00:51 PM, Ren wrote:
At 1/7/2012 12:00:02 PM, Ren wrote:

Lol, what is there to argue? This claim is tantamount to saying that it's all been a big lie/conspiracy, and we're all really breathing helium instead of oxygen.

Fixed.

lol
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1/7/2012 12:17:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/7/2012 10:30:16 AM, 1Historygenius wrote:
I think this helps prove the non-believers wrong as well:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
http://fcit.usf.edu...
http://www.google.com...
http://www.google.com...

Now this user here on deviatART says it did not happen and made full essay on how the Zionists and Communists made Hitler look bad and that there was no Holocaust:

http://browse.deviantart.com...

The guy on the last link sickened me. I hope one day he will have to suffer the horrors of what those people suffered in the Holocaust, and then have people tell him it didn't happen, or that the man that caused it wasn't evil.
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