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Deathbeforedishonour
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1/5/2012 10:00:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ok, I do have to give credit where credit is due and say that I agree with Obama's decision to prosecute the war in afghanistan. That having been said, he's spent most of his Presidency either apologizing for our nation overseas or doing really stupid things like giving enemy combatants US Constitutional rights and trying them in civilian courts or completely crippling our intelligence gather capabilities by not only disavowing the use of enhanced interrogation but going so far as to attempt to prosecute/discredit those who engaged in such activities prior to his taking office. This sort of "if we were only nicer to the terrorists" philosphy is not just fundamentally naive, it's incredibly dangerous. The terrorists have killed our citizens, they have tortured their own citizens, and they have bombed our allies. We did nothing wrong in retaliating against those who have posed a threat. Someone needs to tell Obama that our enemies are building bombs while he apologizes!
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Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
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1/5/2012 10:11:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
That's ok, though, because he signed the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows the military to detain US Civilians indefinitely until the "War on Terror" is over.
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1/5/2012 10:13:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 10:00:56 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Ok, I do have to give credit where credit is due and say that I agree with Obama's decision to prosecute the war in afghanistan. That having been said, he's spent most of his Presidency either apologizing for our nation overseas or doing really stupid things like giving enemy combatants US Constitutional rights and trying them in civilian courts or completely crippling our intelligence gather capabilities by not only disavowing the use of enhanced interrogation but going so far as to attempt to prosecute/discredit those who engaged in such activities prior to his taking office. This sort of "if we were only nicer to the terrorists" philosphy is not just fundamentally naive, it's incredibly dangerous. The terrorists have killed our citizens, they have tortured their own citizens, and they have bombed our allies. We did nothing wrong in retaliating against those who have posed a threat. Someone needs to tell Obama that our enemies are building bombs while he apologizes!

This is nothing more than a rant.

There is a reason that people become militant against the United States, namely that we actively attempt to dominate the world. Osama was not even thinking about attacking the United States until we pushed our troops into Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War; previously, he had been combating leftism and monarchist regimes in the Middle East. Obama is attempting to make the United States more popular and accessible to the rest of the world and thereby mitigate the terrorists' primary contention, namely that the United States simply wants to exploit the rest of the world. Obama has driven us closer to our allies in the European Union and is also EXTREMELY popular abroad.
royalpaladin
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1/5/2012 10:13:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 10:11:37 AM, drafterman wrote:
That's ok, though, because he signed the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows the military to detain US Civilians indefinitely until the "War on Terror" is over.

Which basically means that they will be trapped until they die because the "War on Terror" will never be over.

He should have vetoed that bill.
Deathbeforedishonour
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1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 10:13:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:00:56 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Ok, I do have to give credit where credit is due and say that I agree with Obama's decision to prosecute the war in afghanistan. That having been said, he's spent most of his Presidency either apologizing for our nation overseas or doing really stupid things like giving enemy combatants US Constitutional rights and trying them in civilian courts or completely crippling our intelligence gather capabilities by not only disavowing the use of enhanced interrogation but going so far as to attempt to prosecute/discredit those who engaged in such activities prior to his taking office. This sort of "if we were only nicer to the terrorists" philosphy is not just fundamentally naive, it's incredibly dangerous. The terrorists have killed our citizens, they have tortured their own citizens, and they have bombed our allies. We did nothing wrong in retaliating against those who have posed a threat. Someone needs to tell Obama that our enemies are building bombs while he apologizes!

This is nothing more than a rant.

There is a reason that people become militant against the United States, namely that we actively attempt to dominate the world. Osama was not even thinking about attacking the United States until we pushed our troops into Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War; previously, he had been combating leftism and monarchist regimes in the Middle East. Obama is attempting to make the United States more popular and accessible to the rest of the world and thereby mitigate the terrorists' primary contention, namely that the United States simply wants to exploit the rest of the world. Obama has driven us closer to our allies in the European Union and is also EXTREMELY popular abroad.

Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ~ John 1:1

Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
royalpaladin
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1/5/2012 10:56:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:13:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:00:56 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Ok, I do have to give credit where credit is due and say that I agree with Obama's decision to prosecute the war in afghanistan. That having been said, he's spent most of his Presidency either apologizing for our nation overseas or doing really stupid things like giving enemy combatants US Constitutional rights and trying them in civilian courts or completely crippling our intelligence gather capabilities by not only disavowing the use of enhanced interrogation but going so far as to attempt to prosecute/discredit those who engaged in such activities prior to his taking office. This sort of "if we were only nicer to the terrorists" philosphy is not just fundamentally naive, it's incredibly dangerous. The terrorists have killed our citizens, they have tortured their own citizens, and they have bombed our allies. We did nothing wrong in retaliating against those who have posed a threat. Someone needs to tell Obama that our enemies are building bombs while he apologizes!

This is nothing more than a rant.

There is a reason that people become militant against the United States, namely that we actively attempt to dominate the world. Osama was not even thinking about attacking the United States until we pushed our troops into Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War; previously, he had been combating leftism and monarchist regimes in the Middle East. Obama is attempting to make the United States more popular and accessible to the rest of the world and thereby mitigate the terrorists' primary contention, namely that the United States simply wants to exploit the rest of the world. Obama has driven us closer to our allies in the European Union and is also EXTREMELY popular abroad.

Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

Osama used that as a justification, but in reality, he did not even think about attacking America until after the Gulf War incident. You can look this up if you do not believe me.

Also, the Framers and Founding Fathers were deists, and some were atheists.

If domination is good, then why should other countries also not try to dominate? You should be supporting the terrorists' efforts because they have the same goal that you do (world domination.)
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1/5/2012 11:06:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

American Christians are weird. That is - apart from being misinformed and paranoid...
The Holy Quran 29:19-20

See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it: truly that is easy for Allah.

Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.
Deathbeforedishonour
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1/5/2012 1:53:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 11:06:34 AM, baggins wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

American Christians are weird. That is - apart from being misinformed and paranoid...

How? Back when we were the most powerful nation on earth we were teaching the Bible in public schools.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ~ John 1:1

Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
Deathbeforedishonour
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1/5/2012 2:01:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 10:56:51 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:13:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:00:56 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Ok, I do have to give credit where credit is due and say that I agree with Obama's decision to prosecute the war in afghanistan. That having been said, he's spent most of his Presidency either apologizing for our nation overseas or doing really stupid things like giving enemy combatants US Constitutional rights and trying them in civilian courts or completely crippling our intelligence gather capabilities by not only disavowing the use of enhanced interrogation but going so far as to attempt to prosecute/discredit those who engaged in such activities prior to his taking office. This sort of "if we were only nicer to the terrorists" philosphy is not just fundamentally naive, it's incredibly dangerous. The terrorists have killed our citizens, they have tortured their own citizens, and they have bombed our allies. We did nothing wrong in retaliating against those who have posed a threat. Someone needs to tell Obama that our enemies are building bombs while he apologizes!

This is nothing more than a rant.

There is a reason that people become militant against the United States, namely that we actively attempt to dominate the world. Osama was not even thinking about attacking the United States until we pushed our troops into Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War; previously, he had been combating leftism and monarchist regimes in the Middle East. Obama is attempting to make the United States more popular and accessible to the rest of the world and thereby mitigate the terrorists' primary contention, namely that the United States simply wants to exploit the rest of the world. Obama has driven us closer to our allies in the European Union and is also EXTREMELY popular abroad.

Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

Osama used that as a justification, but in reality, he did not even think about attacking America until after the Gulf War incident. You can look this up if you do not believe me.
So? If he was really fighting because of our 'exploitation' then he would have actually said that.

Also, the Framers and Founding Fathers were deists, and some were atheists.
While true, you forget that our public schools taught the Bible, and all of our universities were biblical based christian univrsities. The majority of people were christians, the ten commandments were in almost every court room, and prayer done before almost every civil affair, and our motto is 'In God We Trust'. We have a christian heretiage.

If domination is good, then why should other countries also not try to dominate? You should be supporting the terrorists' efforts because they have the same goal that you do (world domination.)

I'm a nationalist. I only want my country to dominate.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ~ John 1:1

Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
BlackVoid
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1/5/2012 2:22:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:13:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:00:56 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Ok, I do have to give credit where credit is due and say that I agree with Obama's decision to prosecute the war in afghanistan. That having been said, he's spent most of his Presidency either apologizing for our nation overseas or doing really stupid things like giving enemy combatants US Constitutional rights and trying them in civilian courts or completely crippling our intelligence gather capabilities by not only disavowing the use of enhanced interrogation but going so far as to attempt to prosecute/discredit those who engaged in such activities prior to his taking office. This sort of "if we were only nicer to the terrorists" philosphy is not just fundamentally naive, it's incredibly dangerous. The terrorists have killed our citizens, they have tortured their own citizens, and they have bombed our allies. We did nothing wrong in retaliating against those who have posed a threat. Someone needs to tell Obama that our enemies are building bombs while he apologizes!

This is nothing more than a rant.

There is a reason that people become militant against the United States, namely that we actively attempt to dominate the world. Osama was not even thinking about attacking the United States until we pushed our troops into Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War; previously, he had been combating leftism and monarchist regimes in the Middle East. Obama is attempting to make the United States more popular and accessible to the rest of the world and thereby mitigate the terrorists' primary contention, namely that the United States simply wants to exploit the rest of the world. Obama has driven us closer to our allies in the European Union and is also EXTREMELY popular abroad.

Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

No, Royal's right. Osama hates us because of out middle east intervention.

"Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: Because you attacked us and continue to attack us...You attacked us in Palestine...You attacked us in Somalia...Your forces occupy our countries...You have starved the Muslims of Iraq"

http://www.guardian.co.uk...
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1/6/2012 5:11:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 1:53:22 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 11:06:34 AM, baggins wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

American Christians are weird. That is - apart from being misinformed and paranoid...

How? Back when we were the most powerful nation on earth we were teaching the Bible in public schools.

You are obviously proud of your Christians roots. But what you are proclaiming is antithesis of the core teachings of Christ Jesus (Peace on Him) (Matthew 5:38-44).
The Holy Quran 29:19-20

See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it: truly that is easy for Allah.

Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.
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1/6/2012 7:39:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 2:22:04 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:13:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:00:56 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Ok, I do have to give credit where credit is due and say that I agree with Obama's decision to prosecute the war in afghanistan. That having been said, he's spent most of his Presidency either apologizing for our nation overseas or doing really stupid things like giving enemy combatants US Constitutional rights and trying them in civilian courts or completely crippling our intelligence gather capabilities by not only disavowing the use of enhanced interrogation but going so far as to attempt to prosecute/discredit those who engaged in such activities prior to his taking office. This sort of "if we were only nicer to the terrorists" philosphy is not just fundamentally naive, it's incredibly dangerous. The terrorists have killed our citizens, they have tortured their own citizens, and they have bombed our allies. We did nothing wrong in retaliating against those who have posed a threat. Someone needs to tell Obama that our enemies are building bombs while he apologizes!

This is nothing more than a rant.

There is a reason that people become militant against the United States, namely that we actively attempt to dominate the world. Osama was not even thinking about attacking the United States until we pushed our troops into Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War; previously, he had been combating leftism and monarchist regimes in the Middle East. Obama is attempting to make the United States more popular and accessible to the rest of the world and thereby mitigate the terrorists' primary contention, namely that the United States simply wants to exploit the rest of the world. Obama has driven us closer to our allies in the European Union and is also EXTREMELY popular abroad.

Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

No, Royal's right. Osama hates us because of out middle east intervention.

"Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: Because you attacked us and continue to attack us...You attacked us in Palestine...You attacked us in Somalia...Your forces occupy our countries...You have starved the Muslims of Iraq"
Israel is a tiny nation that took a few miles worth of land in palistine compared to like what 10 giant muslim countries? Besides you can't hold us accountable for what another country does. And Somalia was starving its people whta were supposed to do what the people starve? We didn't starve Iraq, we just helped them get rid of a very cruel dictator which was killing them all! Osama hated us because we support Israel, and Radical Muslisn hate Jews.

http://www.guardian.co.uk...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ~ John 1:1

Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
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1/6/2012 7:44:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 5:11:10 AM, baggins wrote:
At 1/5/2012 1:53:22 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 11:06:34 AM, baggins wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

American Christians are weird. That is - apart from being misinformed and paranoid...

How? Back when we were the most powerful nation on earth we were teaching the Bible in public schools.

You are obviously proud of your Christians roots. But what you are proclaiming is antithesis of the core teachings of Christ Jesus (Peace on Him) (Matthew 5:38-44).

I knew this was going to be brought up...lol The Bible makes a fine line between state laws and personal laws. When Jesus said that he was proclaiming personal laws that were only put on individuals, not state government.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ~ John 1:1

Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
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1/6/2012 7:53:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 7:44:05 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/6/2012 5:11:10 AM, baggins wrote:
At 1/5/2012 1:53:22 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 11:06:34 AM, baggins wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

American Christians are weird. That is - apart from being misinformed and paranoid...

How? Back when we were the most powerful nation on earth we were teaching the Bible in public schools.

You are obviously proud of your Christians roots. But what you are proclaiming is antithesis of the core teachings of Christ Jesus (Peace on Him) (Matthew 5:38-44).

I knew this was going to be brought up...lol The Bible makes a fine line between state laws and personal laws. When Jesus said that he was proclaiming personal laws that were only put on individuals, not state government.

Individuals can't murder but individuals in power within States are allowed to murder?
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1/6/2012 8:40:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/5/2012 10:56:51 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:13:06 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:00:56 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Ok, I do have to give credit where credit is due and say that I agree with Obama's decision to prosecute the war in afghanistan. That having been said, he's spent most of his Presidency either apologizing for our nation overseas or doing really stupid things like giving enemy combatants US Constitutional rights and trying them in civilian courts or completely crippling our intelligence gather capabilities by not only disavowing the use of enhanced interrogation but going so far as to attempt to prosecute/discredit those who engaged in such activities prior to his taking office. This sort of "if we were only nicer to the terrorists" philosphy is not just fundamentally naive, it's incredibly dangerous. The terrorists have killed our citizens, they have tortured their own citizens, and they have bombed our allies. We did nothing wrong in retaliating against those who have posed a threat. Someone needs to tell Obama that our enemies are building bombs while he apologizes!

This is nothing more than a rant.

There is a reason that people become militant against the United States, namely that we actively attempt to dominate the world. Osama was not even thinking about attacking the United States until we pushed our troops into Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War; previously, he had been combating leftism and monarchist regimes in the Middle East. Obama is attempting to make the United States more popular and accessible to the rest of the world and thereby mitigate the terrorists' primary contention, namely that the United States simply wants to exploit the rest of the world. Obama has driven us closer to our allies in the European Union and is also EXTREMELY popular abroad.

Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

Osama used that as a justification, but in reality, he did not even think about attacking America until after the Gulf War incident. You can look this up if you do not believe me.

Also, the Framers and Founding Fathers were deists, and some were atheists.

If domination is good, then why should other countries also not try to dominate? You should be supporting the terrorists' efforts because they have the same goal that you do (world domination.)

So, do you think Osama was(I love talking about him is past tense :]) justified?
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1/7/2012 7:46:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 7:44:05 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/6/2012 5:11:10 AM, baggins wrote:
At 1/5/2012 1:53:22 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 1/5/2012 11:06:34 AM, baggins wrote:
At 1/5/2012 10:41:15 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
Osama hates us because we back Israel, and because we have a distinct Christian history (before secularization). Domination makes America rich, which is good so either way we still have bto defend that. The terrorists are not saying that we exploit the rest of the world they are saying that we are a key threat to the domination of their brand of Islam. We should be attacking our enemies rather then apologizing for doing our duty. Might is right.

American Christians are weird. That is - apart from being misinformed and paranoid...

How? Back when we were the most powerful nation on earth we were teaching the Bible in public schools.

You are obviously proud of your Christians roots. But what you are proclaiming is antithesis of the core teachings of Christ Jesus (Peace on Him) (Matthew 5:38-44).

I knew this was going to be brought up...lol The Bible makes a fine line between state laws and personal laws. When Jesus said that he was proclaiming personal laws that were only put on individuals, not state government.

If you care about Christianity - don't make a mockery of its teachings to justify your bigotry.
The Holy Quran 29:19-20

See they not how Allah originates creation, then repeats it: truly that is easy for Allah.

Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things.