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Woud Abortion Go Down if it was Illigalized?

OberHerr
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1/6/2012 3:57:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well, would it?

Why or why not?
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1/6/2012 4:00:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 3:57:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Well, would it?

Why or why not?

Even when abortion was illegal, it still occurred. Obviously the numbers will decrease, however, because people are afraid of the government and its monopoly on violence.
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1/6/2012 4:01:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 3:57:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Well, would it?

Why or why not?

I should rephrase this.

Would it go down significantly?
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1/6/2012 4:54:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 4:01:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/6/2012 3:57:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Well, would it?

Why or why not?

I should rephrase this.

Would it go down significantly?

In third world countries, no.
In countries such as the US and Canada, hell yeah.
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1/6/2012 5:25:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 4:54:38 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/6/2012 4:01:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/6/2012 3:57:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Well, would it?

Why or why not?

I should rephrase this.

Would it go down significantly?

In third world countries, no.
In countries such as the US and Canada, hell yeah.

Agreed. Strong, established countries will be able to enforce a new law such as this.

There isn't much "law and order" in some third-world countries.
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1/6/2012 10:25:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 10:24:35 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
It will probably go down about as much as alcohol and Marijuana use has gone down under prohibition.

Cause Abortions are just as easy to get as alchol and drugs. YEAH.....
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1/6/2012 10:25:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Back alley coat hanger abortions will probably go up.
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1/6/2012 10:30:16 PM
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At 1/6/2012 10:25:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/6/2012 10:24:35 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
It will probably go down about as much as alcohol and Marijuana use has gone down under prohibition.

Cause Abortions are just as easy to get as alchol and drugs. YEAH.....

The differences are likely marginal. There are licensed doctors that would be willing to perform abortions, and there's of course unlicensed doctors that would be willing as well. It's the demand side that's the main problem anyway. If people want something enough, they're going to find ways to get it, whether it be alcohol, weed, abortion, etc. That's why making these things illegal usually does more harm than good.
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1/6/2012 10:35:18 PM
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At 1/6/2012 10:30:16 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
At 1/6/2012 10:25:25 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/6/2012 10:24:35 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
It will probably go down about as much as alcohol and Marijuana use has gone down under prohibition.

Cause Abortions are just as easy to get as alchol and drugs. YEAH.....

The differences are likely marginal. There are licensed doctors that would be willing to perform abortions, and there's of course unlicensed doctors that would be willing as well. It's the demand side that's the main problem anyway. If people want something enough, they're going to find ways to get it, whether it be alcohol, weed, abortion, etc. That's why making these things illegal usually does more harm than good.

Well we can say the thing about murder though. There will always be a demand to kill people, and people are going to do it whether its illegal or not. Doesn't mean we should legalize murder.
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1/6/2012 10:36:04 PM
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A study has been done on this, and the conclusion is that making abortion illegal does not make abortion stop much at all, but it does make it highly unsafe. As I figured, making abortion illegal will simply do more harm than good...

http://www.guttmacher.org...
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1/6/2012 10:39:41 PM
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At 1/6/2012 10:35:18 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/6/2012 10:30:16 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:

The differences are likely marginal. There are licensed doctors that would be willing to perform abortions, and there's of course unlicensed doctors that would be willing as well. It's the demand side that's the main problem anyway. If people want something enough, they're going to find ways to get it, whether it be alcohol, weed, abortion, etc. That's why making these things illegal usually does more harm than good.

Well we can say the thing about murder though. There will always be a demand to kill people, and people are going to do it whether its illegal or not. Doesn't mean we should legalize murder.

There's at least some demand for everything. However, there's only a few things that are in very high demand, and abortion seems to be one of them since changes in the law do little to deter women from seeking abortions, which makes legal restriction impractical.

Not to mention, whether abortion could be classified in the same way as murder is a fuzzy topic in and of itself.
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1/6/2012 10:44:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 4:01:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/6/2012 3:57:59 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Well, would it?

Why or why not?

I should rephrase this.

Would it go down significantly?

yes , all legal abortions would hit 0.

Illegal abortions (now backstreet) would go down as legalization in Norway raised them. SO therefore it may decrease slightly there. So yes overall it would.
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1/6/2012 10:45:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 10:36:04 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
A study has been done on this, and the conclusion is that making abortion illegal does not make abortion stop much at all, but it does make it highly unsafe. As I figured, making abortion illegal will simply do more harm than good...

http://www.guttmacher.org...

It didn't state whether making abortion illegal is effective. In order to figure that out you'd have to figure out the abortion rate before legalization, and the abortion rate after legalization.

All it did was provide correlations, which isn't causation.
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1/6/2012 10:45:43 PM
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At 1/6/2012 10:36:04 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
A study has been done on this, and the conclusion is that making abortion illegal does not make abortion stop much at all, but it does make it highly unsafe. As I figured, making abortion illegal will simply do more harm than good...

http://www.guttmacher.org...

Dr Christopher Tietze, an abortion advocate, concedes: "Although one of the major goals of the liberalisation of abortion laws in Scandinavia was to reduce the incidence of illegal abortion, this was not accomplished. Rather as we know from a variety of sources, both criminal and total abortions increased."

"Abortion in Europe" Christopher Tietze, MD. Cited in Diamond, This Curette, p102
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1/6/2012 10:49:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 10:45:03 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/6/2012 10:36:04 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
A study has been done on this, and the conclusion is that making abortion illegal does not make abortion stop much at all, but it does make it highly unsafe. As I figured, making abortion illegal will simply do more harm than good...

http://www.guttmacher.org...

It didn't state whether making abortion illegal is effective. In order to figure that out you'd have to figure out the abortion rate before legalization, and the abortion rate after legalization.

All it did was provide correlations, which isn't causation.

For example, the abortion rate is 29 in Africa, where abortion is illegal in many circumstances in most countries, and it is 28 in Europe, where abortion is generally permitted on broad grounds. The lowest rates in the world are in Western and Northern Europe, where abortion is accessible with few restrictions.

Your dealing with a continental with very little law and order, rape occurs constantly, nobody uses a condom or birth control and doesn't have the same moral values as us.
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1/6/2012 10:53:24 PM
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also overall crime and kids that where unwanted rose: http://www.isteve.com...
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1/6/2012 11:01:38 PM
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At 1/6/2012 10:45:03 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/6/2012 10:36:04 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
A study has been done on this, and the conclusion is that making abortion illegal does not make abortion stop much at all, but it does make it highly unsafe. As I figured, making abortion illegal will simply do more harm than good...

http://www.guttmacher.org...

It didn't state whether making abortion illegal is effective. In order to figure that out you'd have to figure out the abortion rate before legalization, and the abortion rate after legalization.

All it did was provide correlations, which isn't causation.

It actually did state that.

"Legal restrictions on abortion do not affect its incidence. For example, the abortion rate is 29 in Africa, where abortion is illegal in many circumstances in most countries, and it is 28 in Europe, where abortion is generally permitted on broad grounds. The lowest rates in the world are in Western and Northern Europe, where abortion is accessible with few restrictions."

Although the correlations may be weak, the sampling pool was pretty large and diverse, so I'd expect to see some differences between areas where abortion is restricted and where it's not. The only difference cited is how unsafe it is.
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1/6/2012 11:04:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/6/2012 10:49:28 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/6/2012 10:45:03 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/6/2012 10:36:04 PM, TheAtheistAllegiance wrote:
A study has been done on this, and the conclusion is that making abortion illegal does not make abortion stop much at all, but it does make it highly unsafe. As I figured, making abortion illegal will simply do more harm than good...

http://www.guttmacher.org...

It didn't state whether making abortion illegal is effective. In order to figure that out you'd have to figure out the abortion rate before legalization, and the abortion rate after legalization.

All it did was provide correlations, which isn't causation.

For example, the abortion rate is 29 in Africa, where abortion is illegal in many circumstances in most countries, and it is 28 in Europe, where abortion is generally permitted on broad grounds. The lowest rates in the world are in Western and Northern Europe, where abortion is accessible with few restrictions.

Your dealing with a continental with very little law and order, rape occurs constantly, nobody uses a condom or birth control and doesn't have the same moral values as us.

The study was done all around the world. It just cited those two continents for in that specific example. I don't know whether they actually gathered evidence for the general claim from all around the world or not. I imagine that they would since comparing only Africa and Europe is not much proof of anything.
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1/6/2012 11:17:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
In any case, I'm kinda bored of the topic already and really lazy, so I don't feel like trying to dig up some good supporting evidence of the claim (there might not be any), such as before and after abortion statistics in regard to legal changes.

If you have any studies though, I'll read through one if it's short.