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1/11/2012 1:53:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
As Ron Paul deemed him, Mitt Romney is a "serial flip flopper."

Now there's proof.
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1/11/2012 9:02:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 1:53:08 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
As Ron Paul deemed him, Mitt Romney is a "serial flip flopper."

Now there's proof.



I should make threads of every person of consequence that supports Gingrich, or Santorum, or Romney. But, then I would flood these forums with tons of threads, and I just don't wanna do that.
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1/11/2012 9:10:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 1:53:08 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
As Ron Paul deemed him, Mitt Romney is a "serial flip flopper."

Now there's proof.



I have to admit, Geo, that was EXTREMELY convincing.
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1/11/2012 10:31:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Wow, this is actually an amazing ad. The only thing it should have added is that Obama would probably defeat Romney since he has an incumbent advantage and Romney has that 25% ceiling among Republicans that he has never exceeded despite being the presumptive frontrunner for about half a year. Republicans just aren't crazy about him. He inspires passion in no one. People only like him because they think he's the most electable (because he looks and talks like a good politician; what is this a beauty contest?) which ironically will lead to his defeat, since that is the only reason people like him.

I don't know how anyone could support Mitt Romney after seeing this ad. Even if he could beat Obama, Republican voters who think that replacing Obama with any Republican at all is the solution are freaking dumb@$$es. These are the same Republicans who would be happy if we placed Obama with GWB, as long as there's a Republican in the white house. God, that kind of blind partisan stupidity is why america is so screwed.
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1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

As far as the private sector experience goes, I am really pisssed at Repubs for using this populist, anti wealth, anti growth, BS message against Romney.
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1/11/2012 2:53:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I liked the music. Seriously though, Mitt seems like the kind of guy that would ignore the screams of the weak as he casually dismantles inneficient institutions.
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1/11/2012 2:57:33 PM
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Romney has essentially secured the nomination. Even if you are a Ron Paul fan you're going to have to choose between Obama or Romney for 2012. Ron Paul is too far outside the mainstream, and even if I agreed with him I'd still end up voting Romney for 2012.
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1/11/2012 3:05:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

As far as the private sector experience goes, I am really pisssed at Repubs for using this populist, anti wealth, anti growth, BS message against Romney.

You're so full of it,...its not even funny. Do you mind providing a source for the bolded quote? Do you have some refutations to the underlined quote, or is that ridiculous bitter grumbling the extent of your dissent?

Romney is a hoax that has done NOTHING else but attack our president. He called him a European-style socialist, an administration of appeasement, and other kinds of lies and defamations. The man CLEARLY flipped on abortion as well, but you make no mention of that.

I'm getting tired of the dishonesty going on in this primary. It is so easy to attack, and defame, and destroy, than to actually honestly strive for a better tomorrow through clear cut and articulated ideas. Romney is the face of the generic politician, and there is nothing human about the stunts and accusations he's concocting in this ungodly race.
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1/11/2012 3:12:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:05:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

As far as the private sector experience goes, I am really pisssed at Repubs for using this populist, anti wealth, anti growth, BS message against Romney.

You're so full of it,...its not even funny. Do you mind providing a source for the bolded quote? Do you have some refutations to the underlined quote, or is that ridiculous bitter grumbling the extent of your dissent?

Romney is a hoax that has done NOTHING else but attack our president. He called him a European-style socialist, an administration of appeasement, and other kinds of lies and defamations. The man CLEARLY flipped on abortion as well, but you make no mention of that.

I'm getting tired of the dishonesty going on in this primary. It is so easy to attack, and defame, and destroy, than to actually honestly strive for a better tomorrow through clear cut and articulated ideas. Romney is the face of the generic politician, and there is nothing human about the stunts and accusations he's concocting in this ungodly race.

Well, if Obama is not a European style socialist, he is a full fledged marxist. This guy hates capitalism and free enterprise. I would vote for the devil over Obama. I am done with this ignorant fool destroying the USA.
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1/11/2012 3:22:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:12:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:05:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

As far as the private sector experience goes, I am really pisssed at Repubs for using this populist, anti wealth, anti growth, BS message against Romney.

You're so full of it,...its not even funny. Do you mind providing a source for the bolded quote? Do you have some refutations to the underlined quote, or is that ridiculous bitter grumbling the extent of your dissent?

Romney is a hoax that has done NOTHING else but attack our president. He called him a European-style socialist, an administration of appeasement, and other kinds of lies and defamations. The man CLEARLY flipped on abortion as well, but you make no mention of that.

I'm getting tired of the dishonesty going on in this primary. It is so easy to attack, and defame, and destroy, than to actually honestly strive for a better tomorrow through clear cut and articulated ideas. Romney is the face of the generic politician, and there is nothing human about the stunts and accusations he's concocting in this ungodly race.


Well, if Obama is not a European style socialist, he is a full fledged marxist. This guy hates capitalism and free enterprise. I would vote for the devil over Obama. I am done with this ignorant fool destroying the USA.

You addressed none of what I asked you to address. You had no proof that the quotes where taken out of context, and you couldn't AT THE VERY LEAST identify where you got your information as to the time period and context of Romney's quote in favor of stimulus.

I'm done with ignorant fools destroying the USA, accusation teeming with an unspoken bigotry and deceit. After everything he's done in the country, if you're going to criticize him because you disagree with his ideology, then do it honestly, don't manufacture the Bull___ from no where.
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1/11/2012 3:33:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:22:10 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:12:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:05:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

As far as the private sector experience goes, I am really pisssed at Repubs for using this populist, anti wealth, anti growth, BS message against Romney.

You're so full of it,...its not even funny. Do you mind providing a source for the bolded quote? Do you have some refutations to the underlined quote, or is that ridiculous bitter grumbling the extent of your dissent?

Romney is a hoax that has done NOTHING else but attack our president. He called him a European-style socialist, an administration of appeasement, and other kinds of lies and defamations. The man CLEARLY flipped on abortion as well, but you make no mention of that.

I'm getting tired of the dishonesty going on in this primary. It is so easy to attack, and defame, and destroy, than to actually honestly strive for a better tomorrow through clear cut and articulated ideas. Romney is the face of the generic politician, and there is nothing human about the stunts and accusations he's concocting in this ungodly race.


Well, if Obama is not a European style socialist, he is a full fledged marxist. This guy hates capitalism and free enterprise. I would vote for the devil over Obama. I am done with this ignorant fool destroying the USA.

You addressed none of what I asked you to address. You had no proof that the quotes where taken out of context, and you couldn't AT THE VERY LEAST identify where you got your information as to the time period and context of Romney's quote in favor of stimulus.

I don't like Politifact, but they rate the claim that Romney flip flopped on the stimulus "Mostly False":

http://www.politifact.com...

Of course, once you take into account Politifact's liberal bias, this would be entirely false.

But, the info is on that page at least.


I'm done with ignorant fools destroying the USA, accusation teeming with an unspoken bigotry and deceit. After everything he's done in the country, if you're going to criticize him because you disagree with his ideology, then do it honestly, don't manufacture the Bull___ from no where.

This isn't bull. He has hurt our economy, exploded our debt, and ruined our health care system.
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1/11/2012 3:36:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:33:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:22:10 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:12:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:05:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

As far as the private sector experience goes, I am really pisssed at Repubs for using this populist, anti wealth, anti growth, BS message against Romney.

You're so full of it,...its not even funny. Do you mind providing a source for the bolded quote? Do you have some refutations to the underlined quote, or is that ridiculous bitter grumbling the extent of your dissent?

Romney is a hoax that has done NOTHING else but attack our president. He called him a European-style socialist, an administration of appeasement, and other kinds of lies and defamations. The man CLEARLY flipped on abortion as well, but you make no mention of that.

I'm getting tired of the dishonesty going on in this primary. It is so easy to attack, and defame, and destroy, than to actually honestly strive for a better tomorrow through clear cut and articulated ideas. Romney is the face of the generic politician, and there is nothing human about the stunts and accusations he's concocting in this ungodly race.


Well, if Obama is not a European style socialist, he is a full fledged marxist. This guy hates capitalism and free enterprise. I would vote for the devil over Obama. I am done with this ignorant fool destroying the USA.

You addressed none of what I asked you to address. You had no proof that the quotes where taken out of context, and you couldn't AT THE VERY LEAST identify where you got your information as to the time period and context of Romney's quote in favor of stimulus.




I don't like Politifact, but they rate the claim that Romney flip flopped on the stimulus "Mostly False":


http://www.politifact.com...


Of course, once you take into account Politifact's liberal bias, this would be entirely false.

But, the info is on that page at least.




I'm done with ignorant fools destroying the USA, accusation teeming with an unspoken bigotry and deceit. After everything he's done in the country, if you're going to criticize him because you disagree with his ideology, then do it honestly, don't manufacture the Bull___ from no where.



This isn't bull. He has hurt our economy, exploded our debt, and ruined our health care system.

See, jimmy, your a racist, so it dosen't matter. Pfft, duh, I mean,when has Liberalism not worked?!
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1/11/2012 3:39:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:36:13 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:33:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:22:10 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:12:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:05:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

As far as the private sector experience goes, I am really pisssed at Repubs for using this populist, anti wealth, anti growth, BS message against Romney.

You're so full of it,...its not even funny. Do you mind providing a source for the bolded quote? Do you have some refutations to the underlined quote, or is that ridiculous bitter grumbling the extent of your dissent?

Romney is a hoax that has done NOTHING else but attack our president. He called him a European-style socialist, an administration of appeasement, and other kinds of lies and defamations. The man CLEARLY flipped on abortion as well, but you make no mention of that.

I'm getting tired of the dishonesty going on in this primary. It is so easy to attack, and defame, and destroy, than to actually honestly strive for a better tomorrow through clear cut and articulated ideas. Romney is the face of the generic politician, and there is nothing human about the stunts and accusations he's concocting in this ungodly race.


Well, if Obama is not a European style socialist, he is a full fledged marxist. This guy hates capitalism and free enterprise. I would vote for the devil over Obama. I am done with this ignorant fool destroying the USA.

You addressed none of what I asked you to address. You had no proof that the quotes where taken out of context, and you couldn't AT THE VERY LEAST identify where you got your information as to the time period and context of Romney's quote in favor of stimulus.




I don't like Politifact, but they rate the claim that Romney flip flopped on the stimulus "Mostly False":


http://www.politifact.com...


Of course, once you take into account Politifact's liberal bias, this would be entirely false.

But, the info is on that page at least.




I'm done with ignorant fools destroying the USA, accusation teeming with an unspoken bigotry and deceit. After everything he's done in the country, if you're going to criticize him because you disagree with his ideology, then do it honestly, don't manufacture the Bull___ from no where.



This isn't bull. He has hurt our economy, exploded our debt, and ruined our health care system.

See, jimmy, your a racist, so it dosen't matter. Pfft, duh, I mean,when has Liberalism not worked?!

So true. Maybe if I got past my racism, I could see how great Leader Obama has been. After all, we have only lost 1.6 Million jobs and the debt has only increased by more than all other presidents combined. And, he only ruined 1/6 of our economy in Health Care.

How sad is it that my racism won't let me see how great these things are?
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1/11/2012 3:45:20 PM
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By the way, Jimtimmy, you seem to have ample time to be posting on the forums, but no time to accept a debate.....This is getting incredibly cowardly..
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1/11/2012 3:52:36 PM
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At 1/11/2012 3:45:20 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way, Jimtimmy, you seem to have ample time to be posting on the forums, but no time to accept a debate.....This is getting incredibly cowardly..

If he dosen't wanna debate, why does he have to debate? And I don't see why you can't just post some of that stuff here.
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1/11/2012 3:58:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:52:36 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:45:20 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way, Jimtimmy, you seem to have ample time to be posting on the forums, but no time to accept a debate.....This is getting incredibly cowardly..

If he dosen't wanna debate, why does he have to debate? And I don't see why you can't just post some of that stuff here.

You can't be serious....I spent weeks going back and forth with this one about his 'race realist' views and most of what he said was either fallacious reasoning, incomplete knowledge of his own position, or flat out dishonesty. He also has no obligation to respond logically in the forums.

Its actually kind of obvious why anyone would debate over quarreling in the forums, just a few seconds of thinking would produce numerous reasons. For one, a debate would act as a sort of decisive say on our disagreement by formally inviting different opinions and votes.

You have to forgive me if this came across as harsh, I have a very short temper at times.
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1/11/2012 4:43:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:58:05 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:52:36 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:45:20 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way, Jimtimmy, you seem to have ample time to be posting on the forums, but no time to accept a debate.....This is getting incredibly cowardly..

If he dosen't wanna debate, why does he have to debate? And I don't see why you can't just post some of that stuff here.

You can't be serious....I spent weeks going back and forth with this one about his 'race realist' views and most of what he said was either fallacious reasoning, incomplete knowledge of his own position, or flat out dishonesty. He also has no obligation to respond logically in the forums.

Its actually kind of obvious why anyone would debate over quarreling in the forums, just a few seconds of thinking would produce numerous reasons. For one, a debate would act as a sort of decisive say on our disagreement by formally inviting different opinions and votes.

You have to forgive me if this came across as harsh, I have a very short temper at times.

Reasons I haven't debated 000ike yet:

1.) I literally do not have time. Yes, I still post on the forums a lot. But, forums are not debates. Debates have time limits and require a major commitment.

2.) 000ike challenged me to a debate, yet calls on me to actually write up the debate and send it to him. The reason given for this was weak. I'm suspicious that 000ike really just wants the last round advantage.

3.) I already debated Royalpaladin on this exact topic. I destroyed her arguments easily and won 41-14.

4.) Many, including 000ike and Royalpaladin herself, attributed my win to "conservative voting bias" (OMGjustinbier called it an "empty victory). This is despite the fact that the votes were legitimate and the DDO community, even conservatives, does not generally agree with my race realist views. I'm not gonna debate 000ike (and win) just to have the same thing happen. Once I saw 000ike bring up the non existant voting bias in that debate, I became suspicious that 000ike plans on pulling the same BS in our potential debate. 000ike is essentially going heads he wins tails I lose in this debate. I'm not gonna let that happen.

I'm not even gonna consider debating this until these things are addressed. I don't need to debate every leftists on DDO to legitamize my views. This is not to say that I won't debate 000ike, but I have no obligation to. So, I am completely justified in wanting to have my concerns addressed first.
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1/11/2012 4:48:04 PM
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Many, including 000ike and Royalpaladin herself, attributed my win to "conservative voting bias" (OMGjustinbier called it an "empty victory).

You're misunderstanding the context of the remark. I never denied that you won the debate legitimately, I was just commenting on the stance you took, along with the forum effort you've placed on this subject in the past. If I had to guess I'd say you likely did win the debate fair and square.
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1/11/2012 4:56:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 4:48:04 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
Many, including 000ike and Royalpaladin herself, attributed my win to "conservative voting bias" (OMGjustinbier called it an "empty victory).

You're misunderstanding the context of the remark. I never denied that you won the debate legitimately, I was just commenting on the stance you took, along with the forum effort you've placed on this subject in the past. If I had to guess I'd say you likely did win the debate fair and square.

Fair enough. But, Royalpaladin and 000ike did deny the legitamacy of my win. I just used your quote to bolster this point, but I didn't need to. Sorry for bringing you into this unnecessarily.
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1/11/2012 4:59:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:33:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:22:10 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:12:42 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 3:05:45 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

As far as the private sector experience goes, I am really pisssed at Repubs for using this populist, anti wealth, anti growth, BS message against Romney.

You're so full of it,...its not even funny. Do you mind providing a source for the bolded quote? Do you have some refutations to the underlined quote, or is that ridiculous bitter grumbling the extent of your dissent?

Romney is a hoax that has done NOTHING else but attack our president. He called him a European-style socialist, an administration of appeasement, and other kinds of lies and defamations. The man CLEARLY flipped on abortion as well, but you make no mention of that.

I'm getting tired of the dishonesty going on in this primary. It is so easy to attack, and defame, and destroy, than to actually honestly strive for a better tomorrow through clear cut and articulated ideas. Romney is the face of the generic politician, and there is nothing human about the stunts and accusations he's concocting in this ungodly race.


Well, if Obama is not a European style socialist, he is a full fledged marxist. This guy hates capitalism and free enterprise. I would vote for the devil over Obama. I am done with this ignorant fool destroying the USA.

You addressed none of what I asked you to address. You had no proof that the quotes where taken out of context, and you couldn't AT THE VERY LEAST identify where you got your information as to the time period and context of Romney's quote in favor of stimulus.

I don't like Politifact, but they rate the claim that Romney flip flopped on the stimulus "Mostly False":

http://www.politifact.com...

Of course, once you take into account Politifact's liberal bias, this would be entirely false.

But, the info is on that page at least.

That's nice, but he's still flip-flopped on his attitude towards lobbying, abortion, health care, whether or not he watched his PAC's anti-Gingrich ad, and, most hilariously of all, his own consistency.
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1/11/2012 5:00:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 4:56:43 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:48:04 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
Many, including 000ike and Royalpaladin herself, attributed my win to "conservative voting bias" (OMGjustinbier called it an "empty victory).

You're misunderstanding the context of the remark. I never denied that you won the debate legitimately, I was just commenting on the stance you took, along with the forum effort you've placed on this subject in the past. If I had to guess I'd say you likely did win the debate fair and square.


Fair enough. But, Royalpaladin and 000ike did deny the legitamacy of my win. I just used your quote to bolster this point, but I didn't need to. Sorry for bringing you into this unnecessarily.

You lost because you dropped 80% of the attacks on your case and also dropped the gene expression counter. People voted on the gene expression argument, so they ignored the fact that I countered it and that you dropped the counter.

Whenever I bring these facts up, jimtimmy calls me retarded and expects me to cower in a corner. He completely should have lost.
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1/11/2012 5:12:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 5:00:20 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:56:43 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:48:04 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
Many, including 000ike and Royalpaladin herself, attributed my win to "conservative voting bias" (OMGjustinbier called it an "empty victory).

You're misunderstanding the context of the remark. I never denied that you won the debate legitimately, I was just commenting on the stance you took, along with the forum effort you've placed on this subject in the past. If I had to guess I'd say you likely did win the debate fair and square.


Fair enough. But, Royalpaladin and 000ike did deny the legitamacy of my win. I just used your quote to bolster this point, but I didn't need to. Sorry for bringing you into this unnecessarily.

You lost because you dropped 80% of the attacks on your case and also dropped the gene expression counter. People voted on the gene expression argument, so they ignored the fact that I countered it and that you dropped the counter.

Whenever I bring these facts up, jimtimmy calls me retarded and expects me to cower in a corner. He completely should have lost.

If you look at the votes again, you'll see that I won overwhelmingly. I won the our gene expression point. You didn't even make an argument there. You had this extremely odd idea that genes getting stronger with age means that genes matter less. You had no explanation for this odd idea.

I won that debate fair and square and im not going back into this bs again.
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1/11/2012 5:14:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 5:00:20 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:56:43 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:48:04 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
Many, including 000ike and Royalpaladin herself, attributed my win to "conservative voting bias" (OMGjustinbier called it an "empty victory).

You're misunderstanding the context of the remark. I never denied that you won the debate legitimately, I was just commenting on the stance you took, along with the forum effort you've placed on this subject in the past. If I had to guess I'd say you likely did win the debate fair and square.


Fair enough. But, Royalpaladin and 000ike did deny the legitamacy of my win. I just used your quote to bolster this point, but I didn't need to. Sorry for bringing you into this unnecessarily.

You lost because you dropped 80% of the attacks on your case and also dropped the gene expression counter. People voted on the gene expression argument, so they ignored the fact that I countered it and that you dropped the counter.

Whenever I bring these facts up, jimtimmy calls me retarded and expects me to cower in a corner. He completely should have lost.

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1/11/2012 5:24:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 5:12:02 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 5:00:20 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:56:43 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:48:04 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
Many, including 000ike and Royalpaladin herself, attributed my win to "conservative voting bias" (OMGjustinbier called it an "empty victory).

You're misunderstanding the context of the remark. I never denied that you won the debate legitimately, I was just commenting on the stance you took, along with the forum effort you've placed on this subject in the past. If I had to guess I'd say you likely did win the debate fair and square.


Fair enough. But, Royalpaladin and 000ike did deny the legitamacy of my win. I just used your quote to bolster this point, but I didn't need to. Sorry for bringing you into this unnecessarily.

You lost because you dropped 80% of the attacks on your case and also dropped the gene expression counter. People voted on the gene expression argument, so they ignored the fact that I countered it and that you dropped the counter.

Whenever I bring these facts up, jimtimmy calls me retarded and expects me to cower in a corner. He completely should have lost.

If you look at the votes again, you'll see that I won overwhelmingly. I won the our gene expression point. You didn't even make an argument there. You had this extremely odd idea that genes getting stronger with age means that genes matter less. You had no explanation for this odd idea.

I won that debate fair and square and im not going back into this bs again.

I caught you in a lie.

Directly from the debate:

"I presented you with data from the International Journal of Epidemiology that notes that the heritability of IQ is 0.2 in infancy, -.4 in childhood, and 0.8 in adults. He counters this claim by contending that that genes express themselves more as organisms grow. This is actually completely false. All genes do not automatically express themselves as an individual becomes older; instead, different genes are expressed according to the period of development that the organism is undergoing. For example, different genes are expressed during puberty in women than in menopause. As the study cited in subpoint B notes, the critical period of development for the human brain is within the first two years of life, meaning that IQ development genes are most present at that time. So, since IQ heritability is only 0.2 during infancy, the period of critical development of intelligence, we can assume that intelligence is mostly affected by the environment over time; it is not controlled by genetics. This is directly in line with the dropped Neisser analysis in point A, which explicitly states that heritability is higher in adults because individuals often associate with others who are perceived to be of similar intelligence/the environment, specifically the culture from which one stems is the most important factor in shaping IQ."

That was from the debate; you just tried to lie on this forum about what I argued. I bet you did not even read most of my arguments when you wrote your "rebuttals".
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1/11/2012 5:26:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Also, several people tried to be clever and voted for you based on the idea that AAs were less intelligent due to environment despite the fact that we explicitly agreed that in round 1 that inherency excluded environmental factors.
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1/11/2012 5:27:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 3:33:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't like Politifact, but they rate the claim that Romney flip flopped on the stimulus "Mostly False":

Mitt Romney supported a stimulus program. He said so in no uncertain terms. Obama's precise stimulus program was not released at the time of the interview.
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1/11/2012 5:30:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 5:24:25 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/11/2012 5:12:02 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 5:00:20 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:56:43 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 1/11/2012 4:48:04 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
Many, including 000ike and Royalpaladin herself, attributed my win to "conservative voting bias" (OMGjustinbier called it an "empty victory).

You're misunderstanding the context of the remark. I never denied that you won the debate legitimately, I was just commenting on the stance you took, along with the forum effort you've placed on this subject in the past. If I had to guess I'd say you likely did win the debate fair and square.


Fair enough. But, Royalpaladin and 000ike did deny the legitamacy of my win. I just used your quote to bolster this point, but I didn't need to. Sorry for bringing you into this unnecessarily.

You lost because you dropped 80% of the attacks on your case and also dropped the gene expression counter. People voted on the gene expression argument, so they ignored the fact that I countered it and that you dropped the counter.

Whenever I bring these facts up, jimtimmy calls me retarded and expects me to cower in a corner. He completely should have lost.

If you look at the votes again, you'll see that I won overwhelmingly. I won the our gene expression point. You didn't even make an argument there. You had this extremely odd idea that genes getting stronger with age means that genes matter less. You had no explanation for this odd idea.

I won that debate fair and square and im not going back into this bs again.

I caught you in a lie.

Directly from the debate:

"I presented you with data from the International Journal of Epidemiology that notes that the heritability of IQ is 0.2 in infancy, -.4 in childhood, and 0.8 in adults. He counters this claim by contending that that genes express themselves more as organisms grow. This is actually completely false. All genes do not automatically express themselves as an individual becomes older; instead, different genes are expressed according to the period of development that the organism is undergoing. For example, different genes are expressed during puberty in women than in menopause. As the study cited in subpoint B notes, the critical period of development for the human brain is within the first two years of life, meaning that IQ development genes are most present at that time. So, since IQ heritability is only 0.2 during infancy, the period of critical development of intelligence, we can assume that intelligence is mostly affected by the environment over time; it is not controlled by genetics. This is directly in line with the dropped Neisser analysis in point A, which explicitly states that heritability is higher in adults because individuals often associate with others who are perceived to be of similar intelligence/the environment, specifically the culture from which one stems is the most important factor in shaping IQ."

That was from the debate; you just tried to lie on this forum about what I argued. I bet you did not even read most of my arguments when you wrote your "rebuttals".

My God, GTFO out of this thread. Here I made one just for you:http://www.debate.org...

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1/11/2012 6:20:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/11/2012 2:48:56 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
I don't even know what to say. First, a lot of the "flip flops" people accuse Mitt Romney of havingy are lies. Mitt Romney never supported the Stimulus, never. That quote was taken GROSSLY out of context. Romney was actually supporting the the general idea of stimulus back in 2008, when Bush was president.

Stimulus is Stimulus, A is A.

For nongod's sake, he flip flopped on whether he flip flops. :)
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