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000ike
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1/12/2012 3:58:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Do you guys really believe this man is being honest with the things he's saying at those podiums? Do you really think he'll change anything, and in any case, do you really believe he has the power to fix the economy better and faster than Obama? You shouldn't.

You're well acquainted with the charge that Romney is a flip flopper, but why doesn't that seem to raise red flags for you? I think perhaps the media's overuse of this argument has downplayed its danger, but regardless its still frighteningly true. The man was a moderate, he only honestly turned Conservative when he decided to run...He changes his arguments and beliefs to suit his audience, and suspiciously became pro-life when he felt that that was what Republicans wanted to hear.

Romney has no substance. All he does is attack the president, attack the government, attack the country, attack the recovering economy,....and then all he does is promise to lower the deficit, make government smaller, smarter, and simpler. HOW? He has NO plan whatsoever. He has not laid a single idea on the table. He just plays off of the popular discontent among the republican party.

The man called our president a european style socialist, he said we have a policy of appeasement,....How could one lie so much to so many?

Meanwhile, Obama has fulfilled nearly all of his campaign promises, Unemployment is diminishing and we're at 8.5% now, the economy has been going up, and despite all the extremely unfair blockage and obstructionism from the House, he managed to pass a Universal Health Care law and series of other measures.

Please don't let the dishonesty that this man has pulled, and the unctuous cries he has echoed across the political realm skew the truth of the matter. Unless we've somehow reached an unfathomable collective amnesia, we cannot forget what these VERY same Republicans did to our country just 3 years ago. Please don't let him succeed. Vote Obama 2012.
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1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
*waits for jimmytimmy*
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1/12/2012 4:00:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

He's not an independent. I don't care to hear a word out of his dribbling mouth.
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1/12/2012 4:02:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:00:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

He's not an independent. I don't care to hear a word out of his dribbling mouth.

No, but he will probably tear your arguments apart.
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1/12/2012 4:04:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:02:48 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:00:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

He's not an independent. I don't care to hear a word out of his dribbling mouth.

No, but he will probably tear your arguments apart.

He can tear my arguments apart like one can shred a sheet of steel. Really, stop cheerleading.
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1/12/2012 4:06:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:04:43 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:02:48 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:00:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

He's not an independent. I don't care to hear a word out of his dribbling mouth.

No, but he will probably tear your arguments apart.

He can tear my arguments apart like one can shred a sheet of steel. Really, stop cheerleading.

Eh, I've seen him shred your arguments before, like one can shred a peice of paper. And for your last point......no. :)
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1/12/2012 4:14:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

Thankfully, I will never see him arrive. Oh, how blessed it is to be free!
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1/12/2012 4:16:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:14:41 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

Thankfully, I will never see him arrive. Oh, how blessed it is to be free!

?
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1/12/2012 4:17:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:16:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:14:41 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

Thankfully, I will never see him arrive. Oh, how blessed it is to be free!

?
I used bluesteel's plugin to screen out all of his forum comments. I also blocked him, so he does not exist on this site as far as I am concerned.
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1/12/2012 4:18:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:04:43 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:02:48 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:00:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

He's not an independent. I don't care to hear a word out of his dribbling mouth.

No, but he will probably tear your arguments apart.

He can tear my arguments apart like one can shred a sheet of steel. Really, stop cheerleading.

You have some simplistic views going on there...

Support/shared views with opponent=cheerleading,, somehow.
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1/12/2012 4:19:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:17:52 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:16:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:14:41 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

Thankfully, I will never see him arrive. Oh, how blessed it is to be free!

?
I used bluesteel's plugin to screen out all of his forum comments. I also blocked him, so he does not exist on this site as far as I am concerned.

Hm, alright then.
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000ike
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1/12/2012 4:23:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:18:05 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:04:43 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:02:48 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:00:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

He's not an independent. I don't care to hear a word out of his dribbling mouth.

No, but he will probably tear your arguments apart.

He can tear my arguments apart like one can shred a sheet of steel. Really, stop cheerleading.

You have some simplistic views going on there...

Support/shared views with opponent=cheerleading,, somehow.

Go back to stalking Izbo you freak.
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1/12/2012 4:25:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:23:54 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:18:05 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:04:43 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:02:48 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:00:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

He's not an independent. I don't care to hear a word out of his dribbling mouth.

No, but he will probably tear your arguments apart.

He can tear my arguments apart like one can shred a sheet of steel. Really, stop cheerleading.

You have some simplistic views going on there...

Support/shared views with opponent=cheerleading,, somehow.

Go back to stalking Izbo you freak.

To be fair, I was being honest....
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1/12/2012 4:25:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:23:54 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:18:05 PM, Man-is-good wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:04:43 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:02:48 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:00:50 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

He's not an independent. I don't care to hear a word out of his dribbling mouth.

No, but he will probably tear your arguments apart.

He can tear my arguments apart like one can shred a sheet of steel. Really, stop cheerleading.

You have some simplistic views going on there...

Support/shared views with opponent=cheerleading,, somehow.

Go back to stalking Izbo you freak.

And then you say that you take the high road. Pft.
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000ike
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1/12/2012 4:27:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:25:53 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:23:54 PM, 000ike wrote:

Go back to stalking Izbo you freak.

And then you say that you take the high road. Pft.

I know, I know,...but he just makes me so angry.
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1/12/2012 4:28:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:27:09 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:25:53 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:23:54 PM, 000ike wrote:

Go back to stalking Izbo you freak.

And then you say that you take the high road. Pft.

I know, I know,...but he just makes me so angry.

I wonder if I have more cordial to you than before....Please answer my thoughts, 000ike...
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1/12/2012 4:31:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:17:52 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:16:56 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:14:41 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 1/12/2012 3:59:52 PM, OberHerr wrote:
*waits for jimmytimmy*

Thankfully, I will never see him arrive. Oh, how blessed it is to be free!

?
I used bluesteel's plugin to screen out all of his forum comments. I also blocked him, so he does not exist on this site as far as I am concerned.

Hm? Oh royalpaladin, I thought you said that you weren't going to censor neither spinko nor jimtimmy. Hm. Interesting.
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1/12/2012 4:48:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:43:42 PM, mongeese wrote:
The real question is, why Romney over Ron Paul?

This.
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1/12/2012 4:51:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:48:41 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:43:42 PM, mongeese wrote:
The real question is, why Romney over Ron Paul?

This.

I don't know, ask your fellow republicans, but we all know Romney will get the nomination. The problem is, some people would actually be so blind as to vote for him. By the way, you guys are Libertarians, who would you vote for b/w Romney and Obama?
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1/12/2012 5:31:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Romney has no substance. All he does is attack the president, attack the government, attack the country, attack the recovering economy,....and then all he does is promise to lower the deficit, make government smaller, smarter, and simpler. HOW? He has NO plan whatsoever. He has not laid a single idea on the table. He just plays off of the popular discontent among the republican party.

And Obama was different from Romney when he ran in 2008....how?
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1/12/2012 5:39:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:51:04 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:48:41 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/12/2012 4:43:42 PM, mongeese wrote:
The real question is, why Romney over Ron Paul?

This.

I don't know, ask your fellow republicans, but we all know Romney will get the nomination. The problem is, some people would actually be so blind as to vote for him. By the way, you guys are Libertarians, who would you vote for b/w Romney and Obama?

Between the two...it's hard, but I'm leaning toward Obama.
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1/12/2012 6:25:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 3:58:16 PM, 000ike wrote:
Do you guys really believe this man is being honest with the things he's saying at those podiums? Do you really think he'll change anything, and in any case, do you really believe he has the power to fix the economy better and faster than Obama? You shouldn't.

I do think he does. He is proposing policies that are much better for the economy than Obama's.


You're well acquainted with the charge that Romney is a flip flopper, but why doesn't that seem to raise red flags for you? I think perhaps the media's overuse of this argument has downplayed its danger, but regardless its still frighteningly true. The man was a moderate, he only honestly turned Conservative when he decided to run...He changes his arguments and beliefs to suit his audience, and suspiciously became pro-life when he felt that that was what Republicans wanted to hear.

Yes, he did flip flop on abortion. He also, arguably, flip flopped on gun control. However, there have not been many flip flops on the more important, in my opinion, economic issues.

As far as turning around the economy, these are what matter. Romney has been fairly consistent here. Not as consistent, or as conservative, as I would like, but easily as consistent as Obama.


Romney has no substance. All he does is attack the president, attack the government, attack the country, attack the recovering economy,....and then all he does is promise to lower the deficit, make government smaller, smarter, and simpler. HOW? He has NO plan whatsoever. He has not laid a single idea on the table. He just plays off of the popular discontent among the republican party.

You mean attack the slowly recovering economy. By the way, every president since Hoover has seen job growth while in office, that includes George W Bush. Obama has seen 1.6 jobs lost.

So, the whole "at least we're seeing some job growth" argument is weak. Obama will likely leave office being the first president since Hoover to lose jobs in office.

And, Mitt Romney actually does have a pretty good plan:

http://mittromney.com...

It was pretty easy to find.


The man called our president a european style socialist, he said we have a policy of appeasement,....How could one lie so much to so many?

I don't how you can say he isn't a European style socialist. Are you saying he's a full blown marxist?

I would say European style socialist is more accurate than that. Whatever he is, it is clear that he has a dislike for the free market economy, despite the fact that it has been far more successful than European socialism.


Meanwhile, Obama has fulfilled nearly all of his campaign promises, Unemployment is diminishing and we're at 8.5% now, the economy has been going up, and despite all the extremely unfair blockage and obstructionism from the House, he managed to pass a Universal Health Care law and series of other measures.

Wow, 8.5%. That is... terrible. Obama said unemployment would never rise above 8% with the stimulus. Well, 3 years later it is now at 8.5%. It has been between 9 and 10% since then. So, this is a failure.

He did pass other measures, like Obamacare. These measures will do a lot of damage to the USA.


Please don't let the dishonesty that this man has pulled, and the unctuous cries he has echoed across the political realm skew the truth of the matter. Unless we've somehow reached an unfathomable collective amnesia, we cannot forget what these VERY same Republicans did to our country just 3 years ago. Please don't let him succeed. Vote Obama 2012.

Lol, we had Dems in congress sicne 2006. It was their forcing banks to lend to lower income folks and their refusal to fix fannie and freddie that got us into this crisis. It is their tax, spend, and regulate anti business policies that are keeping us in.

People don't need amnesia to see how much damage Obama and other liberals have done. They just need to turn on the TV to see how much damage they have done to this country.

Don't vote for the same anti business policies that have been destroying our economy for the past 3 years. Vote for a pro growth, pro small government, pro fiscal responsibility businessman. Vote for Mitt Romney.
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1/12/2012 9:10:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 4:51:04 PM, 000ike wrote:
By the way, you guys are Libertarians, who would you vote for b/w Romney and Obama?

Gary Johnson.
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1/12/2012 9:16:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 6:25:30 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
You're well acquainted with the charge that Romney is a flip flopper, but why doesn't that seem to raise red flags for you? I think perhaps the media's overuse of this argument has downplayed its danger, but regardless its still frighteningly true. The man was a moderate, he only honestly turned Conservative when he decided to run...He changes his arguments and beliefs to suit his audience, and suspiciously became pro-life when he felt that that was what Republicans wanted to hear.

Yes, he did flip flop on abortion. He also, arguably, flip flopped on gun control. However, there have not been many flip flops on the more important, in my opinion, economic issues.

He used to support government economic stimulus, now he doesn't.
He used to be against the auto industry bailout, and now he wants to take credit for it.

As far as turning around the economy, these are what matter. Romney has been fairly consistent here. Not as consistent, or as conservative, as I would like, but easily as consistent as Obama.

Why settle for "fairly," which is still a gross exaggeration? Paul actually understands the business cycle and predicted the housing bubble collapse. Wouldn't you want someone who understands the economy on a macro scale in charge, instead of just someone who knows how to move around funds to prop up some businesses, gut others, and make his stocks appear artificially desireable on the exchange?

Romney has no substance. All he does is attack the president, attack the government, attack the country, attack the recovering economy,....and then all he does is promise to lower the deficit, make government smaller, smarter, and simpler. HOW? He has NO plan whatsoever. He has not laid a single idea on the table. He just plays off of the popular discontent among the republican party.

You mean attack the slowly recovering economy. By the way, every president since Hoover has seen job growth while in office, that includes George W Bush. Obama has seen 1.6 jobs lost.

1.6 isn't very many, I must say...

So, the whole "at least we're seeing some job growth" argument is weak. Obama will likely leave office being the first president since Hoover to lose jobs in office.

And, Mitt Romney actually does have a pretty good plan:

http://mittromney.com...

If he gets the nomination, I suspect this plan will alter to be more appealing to a national base.

Don't vote for the same anti business policies that have been destroying our economy for the past 3 years. Vote for a pro growth, pro small government, pro fiscal responsibility businessman. Vote for Mitt Romney.

And watch as he becomes a pro-government growth, pro-Wall Street, pro-war fiscally corrupt President once he takes office. What fun!
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1/12/2012 11:24:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 3:58:16 PM, 000ike wrote:
Do you guys really believe this man is being honest with the things he's saying at those podiums? Do you really think he'll change anything, and in any case, do you really believe he has the power to fix the economy better and faster than Obama? You shouldn't.

He has experience in the private sector as well as business degrees. A obama bureaucrat knows less about markets then a man that spent his life working in them, Also romney has a better tax plan.

You're well acquainted with the charge that Romney is a flip flopper, but why doesn't that seem to raise red flags for you? I think perhaps the media's overuse of this argument has downplayed its danger, but regardless its still frighteningly true. The man was a moderate, he only honestly turned Conservative when he decided to run...He changes his arguments and beliefs to suit his audience, and suspiciously became pro-life when he felt that that was what Republicans wanted to hear.

Obama too is a flip flopper, many of them where on MAJOR issues. Hus pols are also unrealistic. http://www.usnews.com...

Romney has no substance. All he does is attack the president, attack the government, attack the country, attack the recovering economy,....and then all he does is promise to lower the deficit, make government smaller, smarter, and simpler. HOW? He has NO plan whatsoever. He has not laid a single idea on the table. He just plays off of the popular discontent among the republican party.

He has already won the nomination for the GOP. No need to have substance yet. Also style and substance are 2 different things: http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

The man called our president a european style socialist, he said we have a policy of appeasement,....How could one lie so much to so many?

I disagree with that but some of policies are socialistic:

1. supports wealth distribution
2. Obamacare
3. anti-guns

IS he a socialist? no. are his policies, yes.

Meanwhile, Obama has fulfilled nearly all of his campaign promises, Unemployment is diminishing and we're at 8.5% now, the economy has been going up, and despite all the extremely unfair blockage and obstructionism from the House, he managed to pass a Universal Health Care law and series of other measures.

1. economy is 8.6%, under bush 7%, it got worse
2. The debt, 15 trillion

Sound like he completed them? For more failed promises: http://www.politifact.com...

Please don't let the dishonesty that this man has pulled, and the unctuous cries he has echoed across the political realm skew the truth of the matter. Unless we've somehow reached an unfathomable collective amnesia, we cannot forget what these VERY same Republicans did to our country just 3 years ago. Please don't let him succeed. Vote Obama 2012.

I would take Romney over obama any day. Obama fails to be an effective leader, flip flops just as much, and well doesn't appeal to me. Heck most of the GOP don't appeal to me, but seriously mitt over odufus any day. (that word is my moms lol)
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1/12/2012 11:25:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
lol 3 people just destroyed 00ikes arguments. They where actually pretty good if you compare mitt to other canidates, but lose vs obama.
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1/12/2012 11:29:03 PM
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As a Ron Paul fan, I'd go Obama over Romney, mainly due to the fact that Romney said if he was president he would send us BACK INTO Iraq.
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1/12/2012 11:30:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/12/2012 11:29:03 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
As a Ron Paul fan, I'd go Obama over Romney, mainly due to the fact that Romney said if he was president he would send us BACK INTO Iraq.

WTF! I am for it if we are stuck there, con another invasion. Anti-romney vote for someone else people! Maybe johnson...
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