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1/13/2012 1:53:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
If only actual Republicans lived up to it.

"I recently asked my neighbors' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, are liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, ‘I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

Her parents beamed with pride.

'Wow…what a worthy goal.' I told her, ‘But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.‘

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ‘

I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.'

Her parents still aren't speaking to me."
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2/27/2012 8:40:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/13/2012 1:53:40 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If only actual Republicans lived up to it.

"I recently asked my neighbors' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, are liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, ‘I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

Her parents beamed with pride.

'Wow…what a worthy goal.' I told her, ‘But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.‘

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ‘

I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.'

Her parents still aren't speaking to me."

Ha Ha. The only thing is that only about 1-4% of the total budget is actually devoted to welfare. So the story is pretty exaggerated. The purpose was for humor though.
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2/27/2012 10:07:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 8:40:24 PM, Contra wrote:

Ha Ha. The only thing is that only about 1-4% of the total budget is actually devoted to welfare. So the story is pretty exaggerated. The purpose was for humor though.

I don't think the percentage of the federal budget dedicated to welfare actually makes any difference in the story. It could have been 0.5%, it could have been 50%, she'd still have a Republican outlook.
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2/27/2012 10:16:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/13/2012 1:53:40 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If only actual Republicans lived up to it.

"I recently asked my neighbors' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, are liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, ‘I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

Her parents beamed with pride.

'Wow…what a worthy goal.' I told her, ‘But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.‘

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ‘

I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.'

Her parents still aren't speaking to me."

Trivially framed problems lead to trivial solutions. If only reality were so simple. I suppose you think in 2008, 15% of the American population suddenly decided they were lazy and didn't want to work anymore.

Also, I happen to know a number of homeless people (all U.S. citizens) who would be more than happy to do a day of lawn care for $50. If it's a serious offer and you're in the Chicago area, PM me your address and I'll send them right over. If you're not close by I can point you to a day labor site also. Or, let me know if there's any other way I can help you be a job creator.
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2/27/2012 10:20:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 8:40:24 PM, Contra wrote:
At 1/13/2012 1:53:40 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If only actual Republicans lived up to it.

"I recently asked my neighbors' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, are liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, ‘I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

Her parents beamed with pride.

'Wow…what a worthy goal.' I told her, ‘But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.‘

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ‘

I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.'

Her parents still aren't speaking to me."

Ha Ha. The only thing is that only about 1-4% of the total budget is actually devoted to welfare. So the story is pretty exaggerated. The purpose was for humor though.

Welfare 11%.
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2/27/2012 10:25:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
haha XD
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2/27/2012 11:08:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 11:07:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
Lol.

Too bad I don't know any democrats near me...

You live in California and dont know any democrats?

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2/27/2012 11:12:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/13/2012 1:53:40 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If only actual Republicans lived up to it.

"I recently asked my neighbors' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, are liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, ‘I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

Her parents beamed with pride.

'Wow…what a worthy goal.' I told her, ‘But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.‘

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ‘

I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.'

Her parents still aren't speaking to me."

Yes, because there are clearly enough jobs to save everyone. Clearly the aristocrats would not prefer to stuff their own pockets and pay people as little as possible. The late 1800s were the age of prosperity for all. The poor never went hungry as long as they worked. If you were willing to sweat all die in dangerous work conditions, you could survive, right?
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2/27/2012 11:12:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 11:08:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/27/2012 11:07:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
Lol.

Too bad I don't know any democrats near me...

You live in California and dont know any democrats?

DO YOU LIVE UNDER A ROCK?!

Yes
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2/27/2012 11:14:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 11:12:40 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
At 2/27/2012 11:08:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/27/2012 11:07:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
Lol.

Too bad I don't know any democrats near me...

You live in California and dont know any democrats?

DO YOU LIVE UNDER A ROCK?!

Yes

So... How's the Rollie pollies *excited face like I'm 5 years old... Story time!*
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2/27/2012 11:24:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 11:14:35 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/27/2012 11:12:40 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
At 2/27/2012 11:08:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/27/2012 11:07:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
Lol.

Too bad I don't know any democrats near me...

You live in California and dont know any democrats?

DO YOU LIVE UNDER A ROCK?!

Yes

So... How's the Rollie pollies *excited face like I'm 5 years old... Story time!*

Oh, they're fine... as long as I'm not feeling too hungry.

There isn't much to eat when you are stuck under a rock..
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2/28/2012 7:49:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
This copypasta is better:

GLENN BECK gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal UNION workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now GLENN BECK gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. GLENN BECK's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

GLENN BECK takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
GLENN BECK dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

GLENN BECK begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal UNION members FOUGHT AND DIED for these working standards.
GLENN BECK's employer pays these standards because GLENN BECK's employer doesn't want his employees to call "the union".

If GLENN BECK is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, GLENN BECK needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills.
GLENN BECK's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC and FDIC because some liberal wanted to protect GLENN BECK's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the 1929 economic depression.

GLENN BECK has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that GLENN BECK and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

GLENN BECK is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards.

He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark).

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his UNION pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so GLENN BECK wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good (He doesn't tell GLENN BECK that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit GLENN BECK enjoys throughout his day).

GLENN BECK agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
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2/28/2012 9:37:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 11:08:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/27/2012 11:07:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
Lol.

Too bad I don't know any democrats near me...

You live in California and dont know any democrats?

DO YOU LIVE UNDER A ROCK?!

Freedo lives in Cal and is surrounded by neocons, as I understand :/
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2/28/2012 4:09:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 7:49:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
This copypasta is better:

GLENN BECK gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal UNION workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now GLENN BECK gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. GLENN BECK's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

GLENN BECK takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
GLENN BECK dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

GLENN BECK begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal UNION members FOUGHT AND DIED for these working standards.
GLENN BECK's employer pays these standards because GLENN BECK's employer doesn't want his employees to call "the union".

If GLENN BECK is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, GLENN BECK needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills.
GLENN BECK's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC and FDIC because some liberal wanted to protect GLENN BECK's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the 1929 economic depression.

GLENN BECK has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that GLENN BECK and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

GLENN BECK is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards.

He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark).

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his UNION pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so GLENN BECK wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good (He doesn't tell GLENN BECK that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit GLENN BECK enjoys throughout his day).

GLENN BECK agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

YES! +1

This is the stuff that people forget about government. Many may say, "I get nothing from the government besides taxes." However, we know this is not true.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

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2/28/2012 4:26:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 7:49:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
This copypasta is better:

GLENN BECK gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards.

He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal UNION workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now GLENN BECK gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. GLENN BECK's bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

GLENN BECK takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
GLENN BECK dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

GLENN BECK begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal UNION members FOUGHT AND DIED for these working standards.
GLENN BECK's employer pays these standards because GLENN BECK's employer doesn't want his employees to call "the union".

If GLENN BECK is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It's noon time, GLENN BECK needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills.
GLENN BECK's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC and FDIC because some liberal wanted to protect GLENN BECK's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the 1929 economic depression.

GLENN BECK has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that GLENN BECK and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime.

GLENN BECK is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards.

He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republicans would still be sitting in the dark).

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his UNION pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so GLENN BECK wouldn't have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good (He doesn't tell GLENN BECK that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit GLENN BECK enjoys throughout his day).

GLENN BECK agrees, "We don't need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

Win.

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2/28/2012 5:10:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 8:40:24 PM, Contra wrote:
At 1/13/2012 1:53:40 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If only actual Republicans lived up to it.

"I recently asked my neighbors' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, are liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, ‘I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

Her parents beamed with pride.

'Wow…what a worthy goal.' I told her, ‘But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.‘

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ‘

I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.'

Her parents still aren't speaking to me."

Ha Ha. The only thing is that only about 1-4% of the total budget is actually devoted to welfare. So the story is pretty exaggerated. The purpose was for humor though.

Depends on what you consider to be social welfare
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2/28/2012 5:19:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 5:10:15 PM, DanT wrote:
At 2/27/2012 8:40:24 PM, Contra wrote:
At 1/13/2012 1:53:40 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If only actual Republicans lived up to it.

"I recently asked my neighbors' little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents, are liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her, ‘If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?'

She replied, ‘I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

Her parents beamed with pride.

'Wow…what a worthy goal.' I told her, ‘But you don't have to wait until you're President to do that! You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50. Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.‘

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked, ' Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50? ‘

I said, ‘Welcome to the Republican party.'

Her parents still aren't speaking to me."

Ha Ha. The only thing is that only about 1-4% of the total budget is actually devoted to welfare. So the story is pretty exaggerated. The purpose was for humor though.

Depends on what you consider to be social welfare

In 2012
Welfare was 11%
Defense was 14%
Education was 15%
Health care was 17%
Pensions was 16%
Protection was 5%
Transportation was 5%
General Government was 2%
other was 9%
Interest was 5%

For the Federal Government alone in 2012
Welfare was 12%
Defense was 24%
Education was 4%
Health Care was 22%
Pensions was 22%
Protection was 2%
Transportation was 3%
General Government was 1%
Other was 5%
Interest was 6%

For the states and local governments alone in 2012
Welfare was 9%
Defense was 0%
Education was 29%
Health Care was 18%
Pensions was 6%
Protection was 9%
Transportation was 8%
General Government was 3%
Other was 14%
Interest was 3%

http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us...

Some of the stuff not listed under welfare I personally would list under welfare
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2/28/2012 7:16:33 PM
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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2/28/2012 9:11:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 11:08:40 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 2/27/2012 11:07:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
Lol.

Too bad I don't know any democrats near me...

You live in California and dont know any democrats?

DO YOU LIVE UNDER A ROCK?!

lol
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2/28/2012 11:18:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/27/2012 8:40:24 PM, Contra wrote:
Ha Ha. The only thing is that only about 1-4% of the total budget is actually devoted to welfare. So the story is pretty exaggerated. The purpose was for humor though.
Nice necro. I think you're thinking of TANF as a legal program, not welfare as a concept.. The welfare state, including not just TANF but such things as Social Security, Medicare, and public schooling, on a federal and state level, is probably most of the govt budget.

Trivially framed problems lead to trivial solutions. If only reality were so simple. I suppose you think in 2008, 15% of the American population suddenly decided they were lazy and didn't want to work anymore.
Irrelevant. Does not lead to a moral obligation for HER to work, which is the point.

Also, I happen to know a number of homeless people (all U.S. citizens) who would be more than happy to do a day of lawn care for $50. If it's a serious offer and you're in the Chicago area
Reread the thread title.
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2/28/2012 11:52:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 7:49:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
This copypasta is better:

GLENN BECK gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of drinking water that is either overpriced or subsidized hidden costs because some liberal monopolized it and doesn't let him decide for himself what sort of standards he wants for water.
He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are not safe to take and could turn out tomorrow to be the next thalidomide-like thing that the FDA approved but some liberal crowded out the possibility of competing standards and independent judgement, substituting for it a monopoly stamp. This also means several medications he might want to take aren't on the market.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan which his employer pays in preference to more wages, losing him significant expected value due to moral hazard, transaction costs, and other costs because FDR froze wages but not health benefits, and then replaced the freeze with tax incentives, distorting the market. This nation spends an absurdly high amount on health care due to this.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. GLENN BECK's bacon is not really safe to eat but it is more expensive because competing standards and independent judgment are crowded out by a one-size fits-all stamp.
GLENN BECK takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Of course, he doesn't read the label, and if he were the sort of person who did, he would have the option not to purchase unlabelled products. He also has a false sense of security that the label means anything, since regulatory agencies are captured by cronies determining what constitutes an "ingredient" and what sorts of strange naming conventions are acceptable. Also, startup costs for competing brands crowd many shampoos he might like to try out because it's just as costly to get a small product line tested as a large one.
GLENN BECK dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is at a bureaucratically-determined level of cleanliness because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to set pollution at arbitrary levels. This causes significant damage to how far his dollar goes, and because it is regulated he is not free to pursue more cost-benefit sensitive solutions such as class action lawsuits. Instead, whatever regulation plays well at the polls is adopted. The government also subsidizes many of the fuels involved in polluting the air in the first place.

He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; except he doesn't, he lives in Texas, but probably pays federal taxes parts of which are given out as earmarks to things like subway projects; it transfers the cost of transportation from those who use it to those who don't. You see, some liberal fought for cost-distorted transportation, which forces everyone to contribute whether they use or not.:
GLENN BECK begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation, and his expected value would be even higher if the ratio of wages to benefits were set by market choices rather than tax policy.
GLENN BECK's employer pays these standards because GLENN BECK is valuable to his employer, while enduring the lies of people who accuse him of union membership
If GLENN BECK is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check, for which he paid taxes at an arbitrarily determined rate rather than paying insurance premiums for which he would have a variety of options so that he can weigh his risk-aversion's value for himself.

It's noon time, GLENN BECK needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills.
GLENN BECK's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC and FDIC, but only part of it, making him subsidize people whose deposits are more insured than his rather than permitting him to make the tradeoff decision of deposit insurance for himself. This costs him taxes and keeps inefficient banks alive.
GLENN BECK never went to college, but he has to pay taxes so that other people can. He also has to subsidize the mortgages of less responsible people, resulting in a bubble that recently burst and probably will again, causing him to make less money than he otherwise would.
GLENN BECK is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is less safe than it would otherwise be because some liberal fought for fuel efficiency standards which operate inversely to safety standards. Alternativelym, if he prefers fuel efficiency, it's less efficient than it might be because some liberal fought for safety standards-- liberals have narrowed the possibilities available to a customer considering the tradeoff between fuel efficiency and safety. He also has to pay for bridges to nowhere rather than the roads he actually loses, which leads to losses for him and everyone as the costs one pays are detached from one's actual decisions, leading again to moral hazard.
He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans, thus discouraging him from finding a more marketable solution. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong, since the government would have forbidden putting electric lines there if it hadn't mandated it, being a very stupid government incapable of understanding the possibility that other people can make decisions, often with better information.:
He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on either an inadequate or unnecessary combination of Social Security and his UNION pension having been denied the option of making the tradeoff between present and future spending and denied the option of more profitable investments of his payroll taxes because some liberal wanted pensions to operate on the basis of the lowest common denominator rather than letting him make decisions about how to take care of himself.
GLENN BECK rightly concludes that he would have had an increase in expected value had he been permitted to invest the resources he earned himself rather than having the government decide how to do so for him.

Fix'd. I checked some of the brute facts too (for example, Glenn Beck is not a union member and did not attend college, and as far as I can tell Texas doesn't have a subway, why would it?) but I dunno how to check the things about his father and such.
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2/29/2012 12:15:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Fix'd. I checked some of the brute facts too (for example, Glenn Beck is not a union member and did not attend college, and as far as I can tell Texas doesn't have a subway, why would it?) but I dunno how to check the things about his father and such.

Dallas has light rail, it runs on the surface. The DFT metro sprall means there's no need to bury it. So, do you think (as the original said) that unemployed people are unemployed because they don't want to work?
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2/29/2012 12:29:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 11:52:36 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 2/28/2012 7:49:05 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
This copypasta is better:

GLENN BECK gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of drinking water that is either overpriced or subsidized hidden costs because some liberal monopolized it and doesn't let him decide for himself what sort of standards he wants for water.
He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are not safe to take and could turn out tomorrow to be the next thalidomide-like thing that the FDA approved but some liberal crowded out the possibility of competing standards and independent judgement, substituting for it a monopoly stamp. This also means several medications he might want to take aren't on the market.
All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan which his employer pays in preference to more wages, losing him significant expected value due to moral hazard, transaction costs, and other costs because FDR froze wages but not health benefits, and then replaced the freeze with tax incentives, distorting the market. This nation spends an absurdly high amount on health care due to this.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. GLENN BECK's bacon is not really safe to eat but it is more expensive because competing standards and independent judgment are crowded out by a one-size fits-all stamp.
GLENN BECK takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Of course, he doesn't read the label, and if he were the sort of person who did, he would have the option not to purchase unlabelled products. He also has a false sense of security that the label means anything, since regulatory agencies are captured by cronies determining what constitutes an "ingredient" and what sorts of strange naming conventions are acceptable. Also, startup costs for competing brands crowd many shampoos he might like to try out because it's just as costly to get a small product line tested as a large one.
GLENN BECK dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is at a bureaucratically-determined level of cleanliness because some tree-hugging liberal fought for laws to set pollution at arbitrary levels. This causes significant damage to how far his dollar goes, and because it is regulated he is not free to pursue more cost-benefit sensitive solutions such as class action lawsuits. Instead, whatever regulation plays well at the polls is adopted. The government also subsidizes many of the fuels involved in polluting the air in the first place.

He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; except he doesn't, he lives in Texas, but probably pays federal taxes parts of which are given out as earmarks to things like subway projects; it transfers the cost of transportation from those who use it to those who don't. You see, some liberal fought for cost-distorted transportation, which forces everyone to contribute whether they use or not.:
GLENN BECK begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation, and his expected value would be even higher if the ratio of wages to benefits were set by market choices rather than tax policy.
GLENN BECK's employer pays these standards because GLENN BECK is valuable to his employer, while enduring the lies of people who accuse him of union membership
If GLENN BECK is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check, for which he paid taxes at an arbitrarily determined rate rather than paying insurance premiums for which he would have a variety of options so that he can weigh his risk-aversion's value for himself.

It's noon time, GLENN BECK needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills.
GLENN BECK's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC and FDIC, but only part of it, making him subsidize people whose deposits are more insured than his rather than permitting him to make the tradeoff decision of deposit insurance for himself. This costs him taxes and keeps inefficient banks alive.
GLENN BECK never went to college, but he has to pay taxes so that other people can. He also has to subsidize the mortgages of less responsible people, resulting in a bubble that recently burst and probably will again, causing him to make less money than he otherwise would.
GLENN BECK is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dad's; his car is less safe than it would otherwise be because some liberal fought for fuel efficiency standards which operate inversely to safety standards. Alternativelym, if he prefers fuel efficiency, it's less efficient than it might be because some liberal fought for safety standards-- liberals have narrowed the possibilities available to a customer considering the tradeoff between fuel efficiency and safety. He also has to pay for bridges to nowhere rather than the roads he actually loses, which leads to losses for him and everyone as the costs one pays are detached from one's actual decisions, leading again to moral hazard.
He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans, thus discouraging him from finding a more marketable solution. The house didn't have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong, since the government would have forbidden putting electric lines there if it hadn't mandated it, being a very stupid government incapable of understanding the possibility that other people can make decisions, often with better information.:
He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on either an inadequate or unnecessary combination of Social Security and his UNION pension having been denied the option of making the tradeoff between present and future spending and denied the option of more profitable investments of his payroll taxes because some liberal wanted pensions to operate on the basis of the lowest common denominator rather than letting him make decisions about how to take care of himself.
GLENN BECK rightly concludes that he would have had an increase in expected value had he been permitted to invest the resources he earned himself rather than having the government decide how to do so for him.

Fix'd. I checked some of the brute facts too (for example, Glenn Beck is not a union member and did not attend college, and as far as I can tell Texas doesn't have a subway, why would it?) but I dunno how to check the things about his father and such.

"Free choice" and the market proved to be utterly ineffective in regulating the market in the past, and I doubt that it will be capable of doing so in the future. The FDA is partially corrupt today because of the pharmaceutical companies, so fail on your part. Before the FDA, people literally were force-fed cocaine as medicine, and the market never solved anything because every single supplier pulled the same nonsense. The meat packing industry was only made safe because of liberal action.

Basically, you are advocating for actions that allow for the destruction of the common people's lives. In my opinion, quack corporations should not be permitted to survive. Free choice does not exist unless one is fully informed of everything that the quacks do.
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2/29/2012 2:07:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/29/2012 12:15:37 AM, Mimshot wrote:
Fix'd. I checked some of the brute facts too (for example, Glenn Beck is not a union member and did not attend college, and as far as I can tell Texas doesn't have a subway, why would it?) but I dunno how to check the things about his father and such.

Dallas has light rail, it runs on the surface.
He lives in Fort Worth and light rail is not a subway.

So, do you think (as the original said) that unemployed people are unemployed because they don't want to work?
Not in general, but I don't think it relevant. The original what said?

"Free choice" and the market proved to be utterly ineffective in regulating the market in the past,
You're assuming that there's ever been a free market, also, it is poor reasoning to treat history as though it were a controlled experiment. If the first person to think up a standards scheme for a particular product jumps straight to a govt solution, of course a private alternative will never be tried, the idea wasnt there until too late. Many industries do have voluntary standards that are quite successful, see for example Underwriters Laboratories. The question is basically one of people,not of institutions.

The FDA is partially corrupt today because of the pharmaceutical companies
Undemonstrated. Also meaningless. The FDA wouldn't have a D without pharmaceutical companies, the FA would be corrupt instead. Saying "Pharmaceutical companies" is the reason that an agency built to regulate pharmaceutical companies is corrupt is saying that the agency is inherently corrupt.

Before the FDA, people literally were force-fed cocaine as medicine
Force fed? any evidence? Also, lolcorrelation. Remember, the FDA IS force.

and the market never solved anything
To the extent the market didn't exist, this is true. If you're talking about the pseudo-market, the fact that you are here to speak is proof that it solved something (the problem of your ancestors not starving).

because every single supplier pulled the same nonsense. The meat packing industry was only made safe because of liberal action.
So according to your hypothesis, prior to the FDA there was a mass-extinction of non-vegetarians, correct?

Basically, you are advocating for actions that allow for the destruction of the common people's lives.
There's no such thing as "the common people," and this nonexistent thing owns no life. I own my life. You own yours. Humans are individuals.

In my opinion, quack corporations should not be permitted to survive
The government is a corporation. It's not an individual you know.

Free choice does not exist unless one is fully informed of everything that the quacks do.
No one is ever fully informed of anything. This would be impossible. I don't know what the 100000th molecule of this table is. Do you? So, according to you, there is no free choice, which is to say, there is no choice, which is to say, I did not choose to write this and you did not choose to write that.
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2/29/2012 4:04:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
@ Ragnar Rahl

C'mon. The FDA is force? Get real. Making sure the beef you eat is safe to eat is not force. Yes, the FDA has flaws and has overstepped its bounds, but the idea of an FDA isn't force. It regulates and ensures food safety.

Employers should not be allowed to sell tainted burgers that cause people to die upon ingestion.

So you think it's better to have every Burger King selling tainted meat? And dont say "it wont because the market will weed them out." No, there's many subtle issues already with fast food that places have gotten away with and they still have mass customers because they dont know that amonium chloride is in their burgers.
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2/29/2012 5:13:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What do you think companies worry about more, adhering to government guidelines, or averting the wrath of a civil action from a lawyer? You guys sure put a lot of stock in red tape.
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2/29/2012 8:23:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/29/2012 4:04:02 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@ Ragnar Rahl

C'mon. The FDA is force? Get real.
If the government did not back the FDA with guns, the FDA would have no power. "Get real" isn't an argument and for you to deny the FDA is force-reliant is inherently dishonest.


Employers should not be allowed to sell tainted burgers that cause people to die upon ingestion.
With consent?
Without it, there's liability. That's plenty. No need to subject people to a particular testing method.

And dont say "it wont because the market will weed them out." No, there's many subtle issues already with fast food that places have gotten away with and they still have mass customers because they dont know that amonium chloride is in their burgers.
Pointing out what happens in the absence of a market has no bearing on what happens in the presence of a market.
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3/3/2012 11:07:47 AM
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Employers should not be allowed to sell tainted burgers that cause people to die upon ingestion.
With consent?
Without it, there's liability. That's plenty. No need to subject people to a particular testing method.

You can't have liability without a government that can use force to enforce judgements.
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