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Obama vs Romney, who will ruin the US faster?

Wallstreetatheist
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1/18/2012 4:59:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Whose socialist policies would harm America more, Barack Obama's or Mitt Romney's?

Discuss!
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DanT
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1/18/2012 7:06:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 4:59:06 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Whose socialist policies would harm America more, Barack Obama's or Mitt Romney's?

Discuss!

Romney isn't socialist
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JaxsonRaine
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1/18/2012 3:07:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Need to see more details of exactly what Romney wants to do economically, but the plan is a good idea. Our economic health is simply the most important factor we need to address, and Romney has the experience to help the market thrive.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
Wallstreetatheist
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1/19/2012 8:24:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Romney as head of Bain Capital ended companies and theirs jobs, then outsourced the labor. He has the more lobbyist donations than any other candidate. He is pro-Federal Reserve and pro-Keynesian economics. His track record and statements would mean that he is as destructive as Obama, yet the lobbyist donations demonstrate that he will most likely dole out more special favors to his friends than Obama.
We've had Hoover-Bush, FDR-Obama, and we'll soon have Warren G. Harding-Romney. It's depressing.
Ron Paul 2012, anybody??
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JaxsonRaine
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1/19/2012 9:29:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 8:24:11 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Romney as head of Bain Capital ended companies and theirs jobs, then outsourced the labor. He has the more lobbyist donations than any other candidate. He is pro-Federal Reserve and pro-Keynesian economics. His track record and statements would mean that he is as destructive as Obama, yet the lobbyist donations demonstrate that he will most likely dole out more special favors to his friends than Obama.
We've had Hoover-Bush, FDR-Obama, and we'll soon have Warren G. Harding-Romney. It's depressing.
Ron Paul 2012, anybody??

Have you ever actually looked at the companies he was involved with at Bain, or are you just going off what you've read about it somewhere? The funny thing is, there are only a precious few of those companies that had public information available before Bain stepped in. Almost everything I've read in any media about his record there has been either generic or unfounded.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
Wallstreetatheist
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1/20/2012 1:17:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 9:29:39 AM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 8:24:11 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Romney as head of Bain Capital ended companies and theirs jobs, then outsourced the labor. He has the more lobbyist donations than any other candidate. He is pro-Federal Reserve and pro-Keynesian economics. His track record and statements would mean that he is as destructive as Obama, yet the lobbyist donations demonstrate that he will most likely dole out more special favors to his friends than Obama.
We've had Hoover-Bush, FDR-Obama, and we'll soon have Warren G. Harding-Romney. It's depressing.
Ron Paul 2012, anybody??

Have you ever actually looked at the companies he was involved with at Bain, or are you just going off what you've read about it somewhere? The funny thing is, there are only a precious few of those companies that had public information available before Bain stepped in. Almost everything I've read in any media about his record there has been either generic or unfounded.

http://www.slate.com...

http://the-reaction.blogspot.com...
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TheAtheistAllegiance
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1/21/2012 2:24:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Romney would probably destroy the country faster. He is more eager to push through tax cuts, which will accelerate the growth of the budget deficit, and he also seems more eager to engage in military adventurism and punishing China (ourselves in actuality), both of which are also quite destructive.

Other than that, there is hardly much difference between the two other than skin color.
Suqua
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1/21/2012 3:11:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I agree with you. If you want speed put either of them in, it doesn't matter they're political bed buddies sleeping on the same pillow, with different pj's thats all.
InsertNameHere
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1/21/2012 3:28:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Conclusion? Obama is not a socialist.
JaxsonRaine
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1/21/2012 2:04:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/20/2012 1:17:02 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 1/19/2012 9:29:39 AM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 8:24:11 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Romney as head of Bain Capital ended companies and theirs jobs, then outsourced the labor. He has the more lobbyist donations than any other candidate. He is pro-Federal Reserve and pro-Keynesian economics. His track record and statements would mean that he is as destructive as Obama, yet the lobbyist donations demonstrate that he will most likely dole out more special favors to his friends than Obama.
We've had Hoover-Bush, FDR-Obama, and we'll soon have Warren G. Harding-Romney. It's depressing.
Ron Paul 2012, anybody??

Have you ever actually looked at the companies he was involved with at Bain, or are you just going off what you've read about it somewhere? The funny thing is, there are only a precious few of those companies that had public information available before Bain stepped in. Almost everything I've read in any media about his record there has been either generic or unfounded.





http://www.slate.com...

http://the-reaction.blogspot.com...

So, in other words, you've never actually looked at the real data yourself?

I analyzed the companies he was involved with that had public information here:

http://www.debate.org...

Yes, sometimes Bain came into a company and layed people off, but that is better than an entire company going under.

The famous plant that 'Romney shut down' was actually the fault of the union not agreeing to a pay cut, working in a plant that made typewriters. Typewriters! That entire field was dying out thanks to computers.

Here's a challenge for you. Go find primary-source data on companies showing a net job-loss for Romney's record.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
DanT
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1/21/2012 2:16:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/21/2012 3:28:48 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Conclusion? Obama is not a socialist.

(n) socialism (a political theory advocating state ownership of industry/capital)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

(n) socialist (a political advocate of socialism)
(adj) socialistic, socialist (advocating or following the socialist principles)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

(v) nationalize, nationalise (put under state control or ownership)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

(n) health care (social insurance for the ill and injured)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

(n) insurance (promise of reimbursement in the case of loss; paid to people or companies so concerned about hazards that they have made prepayments to an insurance company)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

conclusion National Health Care is socialist, and Obama is a Socialist for advocating National Health Care
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Ragnar_Rahl
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1/21/2012 8:13:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Romney is socialist...

but people who whine about Bain capital are also socialist.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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1/21/2012 8:14:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Ownership by the community as a whole" is of course meaningless nonsense. The reality to which these words are usually attached is the state running the economy, which Romneycare did among other things.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.