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cameronl35
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1/18/2012 6:08:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I know this topic is brought up before, but with all the hype surrounding it now is anyone for SOPA?
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1/18/2012 6:12:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If you have 14 minutes, here's probably the best explanation I've seen of it. #!
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1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.
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1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
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Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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1/18/2012 6:35:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.

That's one of the most infamous lines of BS spewed by the likes that support laws that restrict personal privacy and liberty. It's also been shown to be a flawed idea.

Besides, that line of reasoning is the exact opposite of what the US criminal justice was set up to be.
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Lordknukle
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1/18/2012 6:37:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:35:44 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.

That's one of the most infamous lines of BS spewed by the likes that support laws that restrict personal privacy and liberty. It's also been shown to be a flawed idea.

Besides, that line of reasoning is the exact opposite of what the US criminal justice was set up to be.

The US criminal justice system is a failure.

Also, flaw it for me.
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1/18/2012 6:43:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that

Except SOPA is more than that.

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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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-- Frederic Bastiat
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1/18/2012 6:44:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:43:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that

Except SOPA is more than that.

Enlighten me, dear bat sh!t crazy conspiracy theorist.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
GeoLaureate8
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1/18/2012 6:47:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:44:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:43:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that

Except SOPA is more than that.

Enlighten me, dear bat sh!t crazy conspiracy theorist.

http://www.debate.org...

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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
Lordknukle
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1/18/2012 6:48:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:47:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:44:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:43:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that

Except SOPA is more than that.

Enlighten me, dear bat sh!t crazy conspiracy theorist.

http://www.debate.org...
That's not about SOPA...
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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1/18/2012 6:50:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.

I like this, it's very 1984-esque.
Lordknukle
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1/18/2012 6:52:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:50:28 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.

I like this, it's very 1984-esque.

Your signature is filling up.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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1/18/2012 7:01:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:48:19 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:47:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:44:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:43:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that

Except SOPA is more than that.

Enlighten me, dear bat sh!t crazy conspiracy theorist.

http://www.debate.org...
That's not about SOPA...

Lrn2Read

Post 5 & Post 20

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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
THEBOMB
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1/18/2012 7:23:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
SOPA is way to broad to be any good. Sites such as youtube, wikipedia, and DDO could all be shut down via IP blocking (completely blocked from anything) or manipulation of the DNS name (you can type the IP address into the bar). Youtube is in jeopardy because let's say some kid is singing a song on youtube and was not explicitly given permission to do so, all someone has to do is complain and youtube is effectively down. DDO links much of the time to youtube, it is in jeopardy because of this one fact. All that is needed is a complaint to effectively shut down a website. If this complaint is substantiated then it stays down. If not it is returned back to normal whenever they get a chance. It's to broadly stated.
Rockylightning
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1/18/2012 7:57:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The internet:
creative commons
wikimedia
wikipedia
facebook
google (search, images, news, video, books, patents)
youtube
vimeo
newgrounds
debate.org

why censor?
because fat asss entertainment companies want to stop a few people from pirating shows, even if it means stifling small business growth (since when did corps care about that anyway?) and censoring. You can combat piracy without ruining the internet.
cameronl35
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1/18/2012 10:32:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Anyone other than LK for the act?
"They call it the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
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"MLK day is simply racism against whites."
-Lordknukle, only a nuance away from Stalin
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1/19/2012 1:40:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:44:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:43:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that

Except SOPA is more than that.

Enlighten me, dear bat sh!t crazy conspiracy theorist.

He may be bat sh1t crazy but he's at least not a sopa supporter.
Lordknukle
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1/19/2012 8:09:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 1:40:15 AM, Jon1 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:44:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:43:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that

Except SOPA is more than that.

Enlighten me, dear bat sh!t crazy conspiracy theorist.

He may be bat sh1t crazy but he's at least not a sopa supporter.

So you would rather have me support intellectual property theft?
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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1/19/2012 10:31:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.:

Learn jurisprudence, Mein Fuhrer.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
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1/19/2012 10:35:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
So you would rather have me support intellectual property theft?:
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1/19/2012 11:06:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 10:31:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.:

Learn jurisprudence, Mein Fuhrer.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That is bull. It is a stupid law that helps criminals get away.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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1/19/2012 11:31:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:06:38 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:31:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.:

Learn jurisprudence, Mein Fuhrer.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That is bull. It is a stupid law that helps criminals get away.

So... you want all courts to consider defendants as guilty until proven innocent? Are you that insane?
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1/19/2012 11:32:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
That is bull. It is a stupid law that helps criminals get away.:

You don't understand the implications of the bill, apparently. This is all smoke and mirrors to weasel control of the internet. The pretense is under the guise of stopping piracy, the reality is government control of the internet. The internet does not belong to anyone, let alone the US gov't (yeah, that's right... citizens of other nations would also be affected by SOPA)

I don't quite think you understand the ramifications, because you've fallen for their bs hook, line, and sinker.

I suppose you support China's Great Firewall, given the rationale you've produced.
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1/19/2012 11:34:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/18/2012 6:44:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:43:41 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:32:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:20:52 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:18:45 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/18/2012 6:10:41 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I know LordKnukle supports it.

Damn right.

Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that

Except SOPA is more than that.

Enlighten me, dear bat sh!t crazy conspiracy theorist.

Conspiracy theorist ? Do you even know what those words mean ?
You are another lost sheep who throws around talking points, and rhetorical catch phrases. You have no knowledge about that which you deny.
So where is your logic ? To me you are an assumptionist who is walking in a pit of darkness.
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1/19/2012 11:35:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:31:52 AM, jm_notguilty wrote:
At 1/19/2012 11:06:38 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:31:58 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot that LK believes we should all be inherently treated like thieves.

If you turn out to not be a thief, you have nothing to worry about.
If you turn out to be a thief, we will catch you.

Nothing wrong with that.:

Learn jurisprudence, Mein Fuhrer.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That is bull. It is a stupid law that helps criminals get away.

So... you want all courts to consider defendants as guilty until proven innocent? Are you that insane?

Not necessarily courts, but the government should treat everybody as potential law breakers.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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1/19/2012 11:37:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Learn jurisprudence, Mein Fuhrer.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That is bull. It is a stupid law that helps criminals get away.:

Oh, damn... I misconstrued you. I thought we were on SOPA, but you actually believe that the presumption of innocence is a "stupid law that helps criminals get away." Yeah, either that or helps to falsely accuse people as criminals when they've done nothing wrong. Eh, six or half a dozen, right?

I'm sorry that such laws are in place. When you finally get to hell, give Caligula and Nero my regards :)

*Nazi salute to Lordknuckle*
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1/19/2012 11:39:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:37:38 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Learn jurisprudence, Mein Fuhrer.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

That is bull. It is a stupid law that helps criminals get away.:

Oh, damn... I misconstrued you. I thought we were on SOPA, but you actually believe that the presumption of innocence is a "stupid law that helps criminals get away." Yeah, either that or helps to falsely accuse people as criminals when they've done nothing wrong. Eh, six or half a dozen, right?

I'm sorry that such laws are in place. When you finally get to hell, give Caligula and Nero my regards :)

*Nazi salute to Lordknuckle*

Another sig . . .
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1/19/2012 11:41:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Not necessarily courts, but the government should treat everybody as potential law breakers.:

Or they could just, you know, unbiasely listen to the Defense and Prosecution support their case and make a sound decision based on the totality of evidence presented at trial.

Wait, nah... that wouldn't work. On second thought, lets just treat everybody as criminals. Worked well in East Germany, North Korea, the USSR...
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