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1/19/2012 10:17:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
As you know this book will support my point of view.

The book is: " more guns less crime" by John R Lott

It was recent I really in depth looked at this book, it trumps all other analysis on the subject. He proves more guns = less crime. Oxy moron isnt it? Even if you think the book is BS, read it trust me I used to be undecided on the subject, I debated that it lowered crime but saw other stats disproving the other ones, this book changed my opinion.

Reviews;

"this book is a refreshing, well documented case for responsible gun ownership"

- bookviews

"Lott turns conventional wisdom concerning violent crime and handguns ob its head"

-Chicago tribune

Where to buy more guns less crime: http://www.amazon.com...

Good read
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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1/19/2012 10:32:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 10:17:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
As you know this book will support my point of view.

The book is: " more guns less crime" by John R Lott

It was recent I really in depth looked at this book, it trumps all other analysis on the subject. He proves more guns = less crime. Oxy moron isnt it? Even if you think the book is BS, read it trust me I used to be undecided on the subject, I debated that it lowered crime but saw other stats disproving the other ones, this book changed my opinion.

Reviews;

"this book is a refreshing, well documented case for responsible gun ownership"

- bookviews

"Lott turns conventional wisdom concerning violent crime and handguns ob its head"

-Chicago tribune

Where to buy more guns less crime: http://www.amazon.com...

Good read

Apparently there are questions to the validity of some of Lott's studies, but what I consider more telling are the research by Kleck and Gertz

http://www.saf.org...

As well as the DoJ's research:

http://www.tscm.com...

Interestingly, the DoJ had a hard time making their findings fit with certain statistics, but they found 4.5 million instances of DGU every year.

In the Kleck/Gertz paper, only 8% of DGUs resulted in the offender being shot, which explains why it's not as heard-of. Most of the time brandishing is enough to stop a crime.

It makes sense though, if you think about it. Imagine two exaggerated situations.

1 - Every citizen(minus convicts and those with mental issues) carries a gun. You want to rob somebody.

2 - No law-abiding citizens carry guns. You want to rob somebody.

Which situation would you prefer? 2, obviously.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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1/19/2012 11:05:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 10:32:13 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:17:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
As you know this book will support my point of view.

The book is: " more guns less crime" by John R Lott

It was recent I really in depth looked at this book, it trumps all other analysis on the subject. He proves more guns = less crime. Oxy moron isnt it? Even if you think the book is BS, read it trust me I used to be undecided on the subject, I debated that it lowered crime but saw other stats disproving the other ones, this book changed my opinion.

Reviews;

"this book is a refreshing, well documented case for responsible gun ownership"

- bookviews

"Lott turns conventional wisdom concerning violent crime and handguns ob its head"

-Chicago tribune

Where to buy more guns less crime: http://www.amazon.com...

Good read

Apparently there are questions to the validity of some of Lott's studies, but what I consider more telling are the research by Kleck and Gertz

http://www.saf.org...

As well as the DoJ's research:

http://www.tscm.com...

Interestingly, the DoJ had a hard time making their findings fit with certain statistics, but they found 4.5 million instances of DGU every year.

In the Kleck/Gertz paper, only 8% of DGUs resulted in the offender being shot, which explains why it's not as heard-of. Most of the time brandishing is enough to stop a crime.

It makes sense though, if you think about it. Imagine two exaggerated situations.

1 - Every citizen(minus convicts and those with mental issues) carries a gun. You want to rob somebody.

2 - No law-abiding citizens carry guns. You want to rob somebody.

Which situation would you prefer? 2, obviously.

There are flaws in all studies. Also your case is a fallacy. If you ban guns people will still have them. Also most people are not going to mug people, my mom and dad both have concealed carry licenses and have never killed anyone. I have 21. Guns none of them have killed. Also FBI stats show more guns less crime:

http://www.nraila.org...

http://prevarication.net...

Gun control does not work:

http://www.npr.org...
http://www.fff.org...

Gun bans raise gun crime;

http://www.gunblast.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Ps: I an on a phone, hence the links and not arguments.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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1/19/2012 11:05:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 10:55:39 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Read Ameritopia by Mark Levin.

It's fantastic.

Ok
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1/19/2012 11:07:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:06:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
1984 by George Orwell?

I am not asking for other books but say this is a good one . Yes that is a good pick too
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1/19/2012 11:08:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:05:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:32:13 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:17:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
As you know this book will support my point of view.

The book is: " more guns less crime" by John R Lott

It was recent I really in depth looked at this book, it trumps all other analysis on the subject. He proves more guns = less crime. Oxy moron isnt it? Even if you think the book is BS, read it trust me I used to be undecided on the subject, I debated that it lowered crime but saw other stats disproving the other ones, this book changed my opinion.

Reviews;

"this book is a refreshing, well documented case for responsible gun ownership"

- bookviews

"Lott turns conventional wisdom concerning violent crime and handguns ob its head"

-Chicago tribune

Where to buy more guns less crime: http://www.amazon.com...

Good read

Apparently there are questions to the validity of some of Lott's studies, but what I consider more telling are the research by Kleck and Gertz

http://www.saf.org...

As well as the DoJ's research:

http://www.tscm.com...

Interestingly, the DoJ had a hard time making their findings fit with certain statistics, but they found 4.5 million instances of DGU every year.

In the Kleck/Gertz paper, only 8% of DGUs resulted in the offender being shot, which explains why it's not as heard-of. Most of the time brandishing is enough to stop a crime.

It makes sense though, if you think about it. Imagine two exaggerated situations.

1 - Every citizen(minus convicts and those with mental issues) carries a gun. You want to rob somebody.

2 - No law-abiding citizens carry guns. You want to rob somebody.

Which situation would you prefer? 2, obviously.

There are flaws in all studies. Also your case is a fallacy. If you ban guns people will still have them. Also most people are not going to mug people, my mom and dad both have concealed carry licenses and have never killed anyone. I have 21. Guns none of them have killed. Also FBI stats show more guns less crime:

No no, I'm saying from the point of someone who wants to rob somebody, it would be preferred that your target isn't armed. I'm for gun rights, as guns are a great tool to prevent crimes and deaths.

http://www.nraila.org...

http://prevarication.net...

Gun control does not work:

http://www.npr.org...
http://www.fff.org...

Gun bans raise gun crime;

http://www.gunblast.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Ps: I an on a phone, hence the links and not arguments.

Sorry you misunderstood me. I just meant that Kleck and the DoJ are even better sources than Lott, imo. 1.5-4.5 million DGUs per year.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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1/19/2012 11:08:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:07:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/19/2012 11:06:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
1984 by George Orwell?

I am not asking for other books but say this is a good one . Yes that is a good pick too

Oh..I see.....

*But do i care?
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1/19/2012 11:15:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:08:33 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 11:05:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:32:13 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:17:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
As you know this book will support my point of view.

The book is: " more guns less crime" by John R Lott

It was recent I really in depth looked at this book, it trumps all other analysis on the subject. He proves more guns = less crime. Oxy moron isnt it? Even if you think the book is BS, read it trust me I used to be undecided on the subject, I debated that it lowered crime but saw other stats disproving the other ones, this book changed my opinion.

Reviews;

"this book is a refreshing, well documented case for responsible gun ownership"

- bookviews

"Lott turns conventional wisdom concerning violent crime and handguns ob its head"

-Chicago tribune

Where to buy more guns less crime: http://www.amazon.com...

Good read

Apparently there are questions to the validity of some of Lott's studies, but what I consider more telling are the research by Kleck and Gertz

http://www.saf.org...

As well as the DoJ's research:

http://www.tscm.com...

Interestingly, the DoJ had a hard time making their findings fit with certain statistics, but they found 4.5 million instances of DGU every year.

In the Kleck/Gertz paper, only 8% of DGUs resulted in the offender being shot, which explains why it's not as heard-of. Most of the time brandishing is enough to stop a crime.

It makes sense though, if you think about it. Imagine two exaggerated situations.

1 - Every citizen(minus convicts and those with mental issues) carries a gun. You want to rob somebody.

2 - No law-abiding citizens carry guns. You want to rob somebody.

Which situation would you prefer? 2, obviously.

There are flaws in all studies. Also your case is a fallacy. If you ban guns people will still have them. Also most people are not going to mug people, my mom and dad both have concealed carry licenses and have never killed anyone. I have 21. Guns none of them have killed. Also FBI stats show more guns less crime:

No no, I'm saying from the point of someone who wants to rob somebody, it would be preferred that your target isn't armed. I'm for gun rights, as guns are a great tool to prevent crimes and deaths.

http://www.nraila.org...

http://prevarication.net...

Gun control does not work:

http://www.npr.org...
http://www.fff.org...

Gun bans raise gun crime;

http://www.gunblast.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Ps: I an on a phone, hence the links and not arguments.

Sorry you misunderstood me. I just meant that Kleck and the DoJ are even better sources than Lott, imo. 1.5-4.5 million DGUs per year.

I would disagree doj as a news has political biased, and kleck worked with Lott in other studies. Also Lott is a very credible man and overall his thesis stands.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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1/19/2012 11:16:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:08:49 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
At 1/19/2012 11:07:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/19/2012 11:06:29 PM, vmpire321 wrote:
1984 by George Orwell?

I am not asking for other books but say this is a good one . Yes that is a good pick too

Oh..I see.....



*But do i care?

If you don't care then ignore the forum ._.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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1/19/2012 11:20:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:08:33 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 11:05:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:32:13 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:17:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
As you know this book will support my point of view.

The book is: " more guns less crime" by John R Lott

It was recent I really in depth looked at this book, it trumps all other analysis on the subject. He proves more guns = less crime. Oxy moron isnt it? Even if you think the book is BS, read it trust me I used to be undecided on the subject, I debated that it lowered crime but saw other stats disproving the other ones, this book changed my opinion.

Reviews;

"this book is a refreshing, well documented case for responsible gun ownership"

- bookviews

"Lott turns conventional wisdom concerning violent crime and handguns ob its head"

-Chicago tribune

Where to buy more guns less crime: http://www.amazon.com...

Good read

Apparently there are questions to the validity of some of Lott's studies, but what I consider more telling are the research by Kleck and Gertz

http://www.saf.org...

As well as the DoJ's research:

http://www.tscm.com...

Interestingly, the DoJ had a hard time making their findings fit with certain statistics, but they found 4.5 million instances of DGU every year.

In the Kleck/Gertz paper, only 8% of DGUs resulted in the offender being shot, which explains why it's not as heard-of. Most of the time brandishing is enough to stop a crime.

It makes sense though, if you think about it. Imagine two exaggerated situations.

1 - Every citizen(minus convicts and those with mental issues) carries a gun. You want to rob somebody.

2 - No law-abiding citizens carry guns. You want to rob somebody.

Which situation would you prefer? 2, obviously.

There are flaws in all studies. Also your case is a fallacy. If you ban guns people will still have them. Also most people are not going to mug people, my mom and dad both have concealed carry licenses and have never killed anyone. I have 21. Guns none of them have killed. Also FBI stats show more guns less crime:

No no, I'm saying from the point of someone who wants to rob somebody, it would be preferred that your target isn't armed. I'm for gun rights, as guns are a great tool to prevent crimes and deaths.

http://www.nraila.org...

http://prevarication.net...

Gun control does not work:

http://www.npr.org...
http://www.fff.org...

Gun bans raise gun crime;

http://www.gunblast.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Ps: I an on a phone, hence the links and not arguments.

Sorry you misunderstood me. I just meant that Kleck and the DoJ are even better sources than Lott, imo. 1.5-4.5 million DGUs per year.

Oh sorry the other man he worked with was mustard (I know like colonel mustard)
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1/19/2012 11:21:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Summary of the study and how it was done:
http://www.mtssa.org...
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1/20/2012 12:16:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/19/2012 11:15:42 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/19/2012 11:08:33 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 11:05:27 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:32:13 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 1/19/2012 10:17:01 PM, 16kadams wrote:
As you know this book will support my point of view.

The book is: " more guns less crime" by John R Lott

It was recent I really in depth looked at this book, it trumps all other analysis on the subject. He proves more guns = less crime. Oxy moron isnt it? Even if you think the book is BS, read it trust me I used to be undecided on the subject, I debated that it lowered crime but saw other stats disproving the other ones, this book changed my opinion.

Reviews;

"this book is a refreshing, well documented case for responsible gun ownership"

- bookviews

"Lott turns conventional wisdom concerning violent crime and handguns ob its head"

-Chicago tribune

Where to buy more guns less crime: http://www.amazon.com...

Good read

Apparently there are questions to the validity of some of Lott's studies, but what I consider more telling are the research by Kleck and Gertz

http://www.saf.org...

As well as the DoJ's research:

http://www.tscm.com...

Interestingly, the DoJ had a hard time making their findings fit with certain statistics, but they found 4.5 million instances of DGU every year.

In the Kleck/Gertz paper, only 8% of DGUs resulted in the offender being shot, which explains why it's not as heard-of. Most of the time brandishing is enough to stop a crime.

It makes sense though, if you think about it. Imagine two exaggerated situations.

1 - Every citizen(minus convicts and those with mental issues) carries a gun. You want to rob somebody.

2 - No law-abiding citizens carry guns. You want to rob somebody.

Which situation would you prefer? 2, obviously.

There are flaws in all studies. Also your case is a fallacy. If you ban guns people will still have them. Also most people are not going to mug people, my mom and dad both have concealed carry licenses and have never killed anyone. I have 21. Guns none of them have killed. Also FBI stats show more guns less crime:

No no, I'm saying from the point of someone who wants to rob somebody, it would be preferred that your target isn't armed. I'm for gun rights, as guns are a great tool to prevent crimes and deaths.

http://www.nraila.org...

http://prevarication.net...

Gun control does not work:

http://www.npr.org...
http://www.fff.org...

Gun bans raise gun crime;

http://www.gunblast.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk...

Ps: I an on a phone, hence the links and not arguments.

Sorry you misunderstood me. I just meant that Kleck and the DoJ are even better sources than Lott, imo. 1.5-4.5 million DGUs per year.

I would disagree doj as a news has political biased, and kleck worked with Lott in other studies. Also Lott is a very credible man and overall his thesis stands.

The fact that the DoJ would be expected to be biased, yet still came up with the highest number of defensive gun uses, is exactly why I think it is one of the best sources to use. They backpedal during the conclusion, but their results say 4.5 as opposed to Kleck's 1.5. It's a great source in case anyone says something like 'Well Lott's research was corrupt'.

I'm on your side on this, I hope you know that.
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1/20/2012 11:59:12 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
In my opinion Must-read political books:

Back To Work By Bill Clinton

Stupid White Men By Michael Moore

Downsize This! By Michael Moore

What You Should Know About Politics... But Don't By Jessamyn Conrad
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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1/20/2012 12:44:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/20/2012 11:59:12 AM, Contra wrote:
In my opinion Must-read political books:

Back To Work By Bill Clinton

Stupid White Men By Michael Moore

Downsize This! By Michael Moore

What You Should Know About Politics... But Don't By Jessamyn Conrad

lol. Michael Moore.... Seriously? Talk about mainstream leftist propaganda.
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1/20/2012 4:42:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/20/2012 12:44:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/20/2012 11:59:12 AM, Contra wrote:
In my opinion Must-read political books:

Back To Work By Bill Clinton

Stupid White Men By Michael Moore

Downsize This! By Michael Moore

What You Should Know About Politics... But Don't By Jessamyn Conrad

lol. Michael Moore.... Seriously? Talk about mainstream leftist propaganda.

I have a question... have you even seen his movies or read his books? It is actually more accurate than Rush Limbaugh.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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1/20/2012 4:59:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/20/2012 4:42:57 PM, Contra wrote:
At 1/20/2012 12:44:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/20/2012 11:59:12 AM, Contra wrote:
In my opinion Must-read political books:

Back To Work By Bill Clinton

Stupid White Men By Michael Moore

Downsize This! By Michael Moore

What You Should Know About Politics... But Don't By Jessamyn Conrad

lol. Michael Moore.... Seriously? Talk about mainstream leftist propaganda.

I have a question... have you even seen his movies or read his books? It is actually more accurate than Rush Limbaugh

Are they available anywhere online? I've seen little of MMs stuff, but I wasn't impressed with accuracy. Might actually be a fun critique.
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1/20/2012 6:09:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/20/2012 4:42:57 PM, Contra wrote:
At 1/20/2012 12:44:00 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 1/20/2012 11:59:12 AM, Contra wrote:
In my opinion Must-read political books:

Back To Work By Bill Clinton

Stupid White Men By Michael Moore

Downsize This! By Michael Moore

What You Should Know About Politics... But Don't By Jessamyn Conrad

lol. Michael Moore.... Seriously? Talk about mainstream leftist propaganda.

I have a question... have you even seen his movies or read his books? It is actually more accurate than Rush Limbaugh.

I've seen Sicko and Capitalism: A Love Story. I have to admire his skills at getting the public to support a completely useless system. He is in fact a good filmmaker (can't say anything about him being an author). However, the content and theme that he is trying to portray within his films is bull. Socialism is not a viable alternative to capitalism. People get fired under capitalism. Deal with it. People get fired under socialism also. Ignore fact and continue on making leftist propaganda.
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1/20/2012 6:20:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I do agree with you that Capitalism is better than Socialism, although Michael Moore was likely joking in Capitalism: A Love Story about changing to Socialism, M. Moore is just fed up with the Corporate America. He wants Corporate America to be better regulated, because he supports "good Capitalism".
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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1/20/2012 6:25:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/20/2012 6:20:02 PM, Contra wrote:
I do agree with you that Capitalism is better than Socialism, although Michael Moore was likely joking in Capitalism: A Love Story about changing to Socialism, M. Moore is just fed up with the Corporate America. He wants Corporate America to be better regulated, because he supports "good Capitalism".

What exactly is "good capitalism"? The capitalism that Michael Moore describes in his documentary is exactly the same that the founders of the theory wished it to be. People selfishly seeking profits and benefit for themselves and therefore benefiting society. I don't see any distinction between good and bad capitalism. It is all capitalism.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."