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1/24/2012 10:38:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
lol
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1/24/2012 10:41:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Who thinks Obama hasn't done anything? The debate is more over the question of whether or not what he has done is good or not.
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1/24/2012 10:42:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Just from a very quick glance at the page... Great, he increased funding to x y and z. Liberals think that's good. Anyone who's not liberal probably doesn't. It's silly.
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1/24/2012 10:44:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:41:05 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Who thinks Obama hasn't done anything? The debate is more over the question of whether or not what he has done is good or not.

No, Republicans say he's done nothing. Those are very good policies, but of course I wouldn't expect you to agree, of course economic anarchy makes sense to you.
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1/24/2012 10:52:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:42:30 PM, jat93 wrote:
Just from a very quick glance at the page... Great, he increased funding to x y and z. Liberals think that's good. Anyone who's not liberal probably doesn't. It's silly.

First, as ike said, many people think "He's done nothing".
Second, the funding to those programs was good.
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1/24/2012 10:57:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Incidentally here are some things the site left out:

- Lied about ending the Iraq war asap, waited until the very end of 2011 in order to do so and even then only after he tried to negotiate to stay longer (we were essentially kicked out)
- Significantly escalated the troops in Afghanistan
- Started his own war in Libya, justifying it on the same exact reasoning that Bush used for his wars
- Escalated drone bombings in Yemen and Pakistan
- Lied about changing the drug laws in any way at all, continued the War On Drugs exactly like the Bush administration (the administration is still cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries in California).
- Didn't close Guantanamo Bay, something he promised he would do back in '07/'08
- Did nothing about the Patriot Act which authorizes warrantless wiretapping, something that is totally unconstitutional (see 4th amendment) and contrary to a pro-civil liberties stance
- Signed the NDAA and in fact refused to sign it unless it included the part about indefinite detention of American citizens, joining previous countries such as Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia who also had the indefinite detention policy

And that's in addition to the fact that the vast majority of stuff they included is stuff that will only please liberals, who generally support Obama anyway.

Sorry, it's an awful site and won't change any minds.
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1/24/2012 11:01:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:44:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:41:05 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Who thinks Obama hasn't done anything? The debate is more over the question of whether or not what he has done is good or not.

No, Republicans say he's done nothing.

That's utterly false. Many Republicans say he's a socialist. Most say he's escalated the debt and federal spending like crazy, something they see as a bad thing. Most disagree with "Obamacare" and think it must be repealed immediately. Most disagree with his stance on Iran and think we should be "tougher" on them.

Not saying I agree with all the things Republicans say about him. They certainly don't say he's done nothing though. Or else they wouldn't all be rallying on getting him out of office. They don't think we can't afford 4 more years of Obama because he hasn't done anything, that's for sure.
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1/24/2012 11:04:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:57:22 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Incidentally here are some things the site left out:

- Lied about ending the Iraq war asap, waited until the very end of 2011 in order to do so and even then only after he tried to negotiate to stay longer (we were essentially kicked out)
- Significantly escalated the troops in Afghanistan
- Started his own war in Libya, justifying it on the same exact reasoning that Bush used for his wars
- Escalated drone bombings in Yemen and Pakistan
- Lied about changing the drug laws in any way at all, continued the War On Drugs exactly like the Bush administration (the administration is still cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries in California).
- Didn't close Guantanamo Bay, something he promised he would do back in '07/'08
- Did nothing about the Patriot Act which authorizes warrantless wiretapping, something that is totally unconstitutional (see 4th amendment) and contrary to a pro-civil liberties stance
- Signed the NDAA and in fact refused to sign it unless it included the part about indefinite detention of American citizens, joining previous countries such as Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia who also had the indefinite detention policy

And that's in addition to the fact that the vast majority of stuff they included is stuff that will only please liberals, who generally support Obama anyway.

Sorry, it's an awful site and won't change any minds.

I've come to realize that your listings, much of it is fudged to turn a negative spin on an actual accomplishment. For example, "starting his own war in Libya" are you being serious or trolling? Correct me if I'm wrong, but not a single American troop set foot on Libyan land, the NATO airstrikes and bombing even then proved successful with the death of Ghaddafi in the end.

And then you said "did nothing about the patriot act...warrantless wiretapping..." really? Get your facts straight, he amended the PA for wiretaps to be only legal under court order.

Listing a lot of things does not actually coax anyone into believing those things are valid, ...like I said, much of what you did was distort truth for your own purposes.
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1/24/2012 11:06:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:57:22 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Incidentally here are some things the site left out:

- Lied about ending the Iraq war asap, waited until the very end of 2011 in order to do so and even then only after he tried to negotiate to stay longer (we were essentially kicked out)
- Significantly escalated the troops in Afghanistan
- Started his own war in Libya, justifying it on the same exact reasoning that Bush used for his wars
- Escalated drone bombings in Yemen and Pakistan
- Lied about changing the drug laws in any way at all, continued the War On Drugs exactly like the Bush administration (the administration is still cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries in California).
- Didn't close Guantanamo Bay, something he promised he would do back in '07/'08
- Did nothing about the Patriot Act which authorizes warrantless wiretapping, something that is totally unconstitutional (see 4th amendment) and contrary to a pro-civil liberties stance
- Signed the NDAA and in fact refused to sign it unless it included the part about indefinite detention of American citizens, joining previous countries such as Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia who also had the indefinite detention policy

And that's in addition to the fact that the vast majority of stuff they included is stuff that will only please liberals, who generally support Obama anyway.

Sorry, it's an awful site and won't change any minds.

You can't close Guantanamo without funding. Obama gave the executive order.

The same NDAA you refer to specifically said no funding would go to closing Guantanamo, something Obama obviously was against.

It's not an excuse, but if you want to know the rationale behind the detention clause, it's this: Bush did a really sh!tty job at collecting the evidence and testimony needed for a solid legal case when it came to American-based terrorists. If we tried a fair amount of Guantanmo inmates, they'd go free due to lack of evidence, hearsay, etc.

That's why simultaneously, the NDAA had a clause specifying no laws in regard to law enforcement have changed. It's a matter of keeping the status quo.

Does that excuse his choice? Not really.
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1/24/2012 11:17:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:57:22 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Incidentally here are some things the site left out:

- Lied about ending the Iraq war asap, waited until the very end of 2011 in order to do so and even then only after he tried to negotiate to stay longer (we were essentially kicked out)

Bush had set it so that the US would leave Iraq in 2011, Obama had withdrawn troops from cities even before the day came, get your facts straight...

- Significantly escalated the troops in Afghanistan
To bring about an end to it quicker, we're essentially on mop up duty now that the US has knocked off like the top 200 Al-Qaeda leaders

- Started his own war in Libya, justifying it on the same exact reasoning that Bush used for his wars
We sent drones, not troops.

- Escalated drone bombings in Yemen and Pakistan
As part of the job fighting terrorists....

- continued the War On Drugs exactly like the Bush administration (the administration is still cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries in California).
GOOD

- Signed the NDAA and in fact refused to sign it unless it included the part about indefinite detention of American citizens, joining previous countries such as Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia who also had the indefinite detention policy
Someone already explained this one I think

And that's in addition to the fact that the vast majority of stuff they included is stuff that will only please liberals, who generally support Obama anyway.
Hes a centrist politician....

Sorry, it's an awful site and won't change any minds.
Realizing you made a mistake after already doing it and causing people to get angry, how very Bush-like.....
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1/24/2012 11:19:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 11:06:36 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:57:22 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Incidentally here are some things the site left out:

- Lied about ending the Iraq war asap, waited until the very end of 2011 in order to do so and even then only after he tried to negotiate to stay longer (we were essentially kicked out)
- Significantly escalated the troops in Afghanistan
- Started his own war in Libya, justifying it on the same exact reasoning that Bush used for his wars
- Escalated drone bombings in Yemen and Pakistan
- Lied about changing the drug laws in any way at all, continued the War On Drugs exactly like the Bush administration (the administration is still cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries in California).
- Didn't close Guantanamo Bay, something he promised he would do back in '07/'08
- Did nothing about the Patriot Act which authorizes warrantless wiretapping, something that is totally unconstitutional (see 4th amendment) and contrary to a pro-civil liberties stance
- Signed the NDAA and in fact refused to sign it unless it included the part about indefinite detention of American citizens, joining previous countries such as Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia who also had the indefinite detention policy

And that's in addition to the fact that the vast majority of stuff they included is stuff that will only please liberals, who generally support Obama anyway.

Sorry, it's an awful site and won't change any minds.

You can't close Guantanamo without funding. Obama gave the executive order.

The same NDAA you refer to specifically said no funding would go to closing Guantanamo, something Obama obviously was against.

It's not an excuse, but if you want to know the rationale behind the detention clause, it's this: Bush did a really sh!tty job at collecting the evidence and testimony needed for a solid legal case when it came to American-based terrorists. If we tried a fair amount of Guantanmo inmates, they'd go free due to lack of evidence, hearsay, etc.

That's why simultaneously, the NDAA had a clause specifying no laws in regard to law enforcement have changed. It's a matter of keeping the status quo.

Does that excuse his choice? Not really.

Actually, seems there was a bit of a fail there on my part, not many Americans in Guantanamo at the moment.
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1/24/2012 11:33:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 11:04:41 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:57:22 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Incidentally here are some things the site left out:

- Lied about ending the Iraq war asap, waited until the very end of 2011 in order to do so and even then only after he tried to negotiate to stay longer (we were essentially kicked out)
- Significantly escalated the troops in Afghanistan
- Started his own war in Libya, justifying it on the same exact reasoning that Bush used for his wars
- Escalated drone bombings in Yemen and Pakistan
- Lied about changing the drug laws in any way at all, continued the War On Drugs exactly like the Bush administration (the administration is still cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries in California).
- Didn't close Guantanamo Bay, something he promised he would do back in '07/'08
- Did nothing about the Patriot Act which authorizes warrantless wiretapping, something that is totally unconstitutional (see 4th amendment) and contrary to a pro-civil liberties stance
- Signed the NDAA and in fact refused to sign it unless it included the part about indefinite detention of American citizens, joining previous countries such as Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia who also had the indefinite detention policy

And that's in addition to the fact that the vast majority of stuff they included is stuff that will only please liberals, who generally support Obama anyway.

Sorry, it's an awful site and won't change any minds.

I've come to realize that your listings, much of it is fudged to turn a negative spin on an actual accomplishment. For example, "starting his own war in Libya" are you being serious or trolling? Correct me if I'm wrong, but not a single American troop set foot on Libyan land, the NATO airstrikes and bombing even then proved successful with the death of Ghaddafi in the end.

I'm being serious. Here's what Jon Stewart said about the whole "Nato is fighting the war, not American troops" thing... "So there is an exit strategy. We turned over the mission to NATO! Man, I feel bad for whoever the sucker is that's the main driving force financially and weapon-wise in that organization, because those guys are ... wait a minute. We're NATO! ... That's like Beyoncé saying she's ceding control to Sasha Fierce!" We pretty much = Nato. That was by and large America's war, and it was fought with approval of the UN, not a declaration of war from congress as is constitutionally mandated.

Whether or not the mission was successful is irrelevant. Would you have supported all of Bush's foreign policy if all his stated goals were achieved within a few months? Would you have believed the wars to be justified even though we faced no imminent threat? At least Bush pretended we faced some threat that necessitated military action. Obama didn't even try to pretend that. I think the question you have to ask yourself is: If Bush had started the Libyan war instead of Obama, would you have supported it? Would you be defending it? If you answer yes, and you really are an Obama supporting liberal, you're most likely lying.

And then you said "did nothing about the patriot act...warrantless wiretapping..." really? Get your facts straight, he amended the PA for wiretaps to be only legal under court order.

I wasn't aware of this. This article doesn't seem to indicate that. As far as I'm aware, in May of 2011 Obama extended the key provisions of the Patriot Act for 4 years, calling it an important tool in fighting terrorism. Where did he amend it to make it any different than it was under Bush? http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Also check this out - "The New York Times has sued the Obama administration over the Justice Department's denial of a Freedom of Information Act request from the paper that sought an explanation of the federal government's interpretation of a part of the Patriot Act." From the following article - http://news.yahoo.com...

Particularly the following paragraph - "According to the suit, filed on October 5 in the U.S. Southern District Court in New York, the Times and several lawmakers are particularly interested in section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows the FBI to seize "any tangible things (including books, records, papers, documents, and other items) for an investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine activities." (The FBI only has to show "reasonable grounds" to obtain court orders, the suit adds.)

Yeah, the FBI only has to show "reasonable grounds" to get court orders. That's not open ended so that government can interpret the act however it wants at all, now is it... According to Senator Ron Wyden, "When the American people find out about how their government has secretly interpreted the Patriot Act, they are going to be stunned and they are going to be angry."

Senator Mark Udall added, "Americans would be alarmed if they knew how this law is being carried out."

It's clear that the Obama administration is free to carry out the Patriot Act exactly as it was under Bush. The "court order" aspect is so open ended that it means nothing. Hence the NYT lawsuit and the objections of the two Senators about how the act is being carried out in secret. The key aspects of the act have been extended, Obama approves of him, I believe he voted for the extension as a Senator, and he never voiced serious opposition to any part of it.


Listing a lot of things does not actually coax anyone into believing those things are valid, ...like I said, much of what you did was distort truth for your own purposes.

I responded to your two criticisms of how I supposedly distorted the truth. My claims about the Libyan war and the Patriot Act were true and your criticisms didn't hold up. I proved you wrong. So how did I distort truth for my own purposes?
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1/25/2012 11:28:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:42:30 PM, jat93 wrote:
Just from a very quick glance at the page... Great, he increased funding to x y and z. Liberals think that's good. Anyone who's not liberal probably doesn't. It's silly.

That site goes on forever clearly they must find something.
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1/25/2012 11:29:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:41:05 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Who thinks Obama hasn't done anything? The debate is more over the question of whether or not what he has done is good or not.

A lot of people think that actually.
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1/25/2012 11:32:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/25/2012 11:29:11 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:41:05 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Who thinks Obama hasn't done anything? The debate is more over the question of whether or not what he has done is good or not.

A lot of people think that actually.

He did a ton!

Obamacare
Stimulus
countless pet projects
oh don't forget Solyndra

In fact he's done too much, thank goodness for the midterm elections...
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1/25/2012 11:34:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:57:22 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Incidentally here are some things the site left out:

- Lied about ending the Iraq war asap, waited until the very end of 2011 in order to do so and even then only after he tried to negotiate to stay longer (we were essentially kicked out)

We were kicked out? You think it's easy to get out of Iraq. Of course he couldn't do it immediately especially when our economy is down the drain.

- Significantly escalated the troops in Afghanistan
- Started his own war in Libya, justifying it on the same exact reasoning that Bush used for his wars

No, Bush used the excuse of WMAs. Obama waged a very clean war in Libya with very few causalities.

- Escalated drone bombings in Yemen and Pakistan
- Lied about changing the drug laws in any way at all, continued the War On Drugs exactly like the Bush administration (the administration is still cracking down on medical marijuana dispensaries in California).

That is not something easily passed not to mention when our Congress is extremely inefficient. He also has other bigger priorities. Plus what president keeps every promise made during the campaigns?

- Didn't close Guantanamo Bay, something he promised he would do back in '07/'08

Again not an easy thing to do, and maybe he decided it was necessary to keep open. Either way, I don't know why you would count this against him.

- Did nothing about the Patriot Act which authorizes warrantless wiretapping, something that is totally unconstitutional (see 4th amendment) and contrary to a pro-civil liberties stance
- Signed the NDAA and in fact refused to sign it unless it included the part about indefinite detention of American citizens, joining previous countries such as Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia who also had the indefinite detention policy

And that's in addition to the fact that the vast majority of stuff they included is stuff that will only please liberals, who generally support Obama anyway.

Sorry, it's an awful site and won't change any minds.

It isn't an awful site. It gives clear facts and nothing more. There is nothing bad about it.
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1/25/2012 11:38:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 11:01:31 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:44:51 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:41:05 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Who thinks Obama hasn't done anything? The debate is more over the question of whether or not what he has done is good or not.

No, Republicans say he's done nothing.

That's utterly false. Many Republicans say he's a socialist. Most say he's escalated the debt and federal spending like crazy, something they see as a bad thing. Most disagree with "Obamacare" and think it must be repealed immediately. Most disagree with his stance on Iran and think we should be "tougher" on them.

He isn't even close to socialist. Did you listen to his state of the union? He actually passed less regulation on business than Bush. He also talked about how he is going to be "tougher" on Iran. He didn't escalate the debt, he curbed it. We all knew it was going to get worse and that is Bush's fault not Obama. Also Obamacare is modeled after Romney's system he began in Mass. It began with a republican.

Not saying I agree with all the things Republicans say about him. They certainly don't say he's done nothing though. Or else they wouldn't all be rallying on getting him out of office. They don't think we can't afford 4 more years of Obama because he hasn't done anything, that's for sure.

Some republicans really are saying he's a useless president, I don't know how you can deny that....
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1/25/2012 11:45:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
He isn't even close to socialist. Did you listen to his state of the union? He actually passed less regulation on business than Bush. He also talked about how he is going to be "tougher" on Iran. He didn't escalate the debt, he curbed it.

Wait do you actually believe that? You're crazy. 5 trillion dollars in 3 years, yep that looks curbed to me alright. Please just read what you wrote, please. Curbed? Really? Come on.

Anyways the "less regulations" thing is misleading, he passed fewer by like 30 but passed 30 more 100 million dollar regulations than Bush so it all evens out.

http://www.cbsnews.com...

http://news.yahoo.com...

http://www.bloomberg.com...

Its all just schemantics, the State of the Union was a massive jumble of contradictions...
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1/26/2012 1:06:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/24/2012 10:41:05 PM, jat93 wrote:
At 1/24/2012 10:32:13 PM, rogue wrote:
This is a great site for those who think Obama hasn't done anything.

http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com...

Who thinks Obama hasn't done anything? The debate is more over the question of whether or not what he has done is good or not.

I think the point of the OP is just how silly a debate it is. First conservatives say "he hasn't done anything". Then when you show them a mountain of accomplishments they claim that he hasn't done anything good. Why can't you guys just say that from the start? Why the intellectual dishonesty?

Then we look at the "new" argument. The fact that conservatives say he hasn't done anything good is again silly. Obama is a liberal. Of course Conservatives are not going to view his accomplishments as good. We knew that before the question even came up so again, why do you guys bring it up in the first place?

If you guys don't agree with the stimulus then debate it. If you guys don't agree with the CARD act, debate it. If you don't agree etc... but stop wasting everyone's time with ridiculous talking points like "Obama hasn't done anything".