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1/26/2012 12:56:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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1/26/2012 1:22:08 AM
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"Humanism is dumb in the most simplistic way, yet it is the foundational belief in atheistkult."
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1/26/2012 6:47:07 AM
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Meh. I see tons of blacks who have horrible bodies for sports [most blacks are actually quite bad at sorts] the reasons you see most African Americans in sports is actually due to slavery. Slave owners chose the strongest ones [have best athletics genetics] to reproduce and the others didn't, therefore several generations down the line you end up with mostly athletic blacks, and even then you will sill have the majority that isn't all that cut out for sports. This is generalistic genetics knowledge. When it comes to terms of intellect you must realize that the majority of ALL populations are of average and lower intellect. We find smart people in all populations and in all populations they are the minority.

I have seen blacks who excel at math and suck at sports, I have seen Asians who suck at math and excel at sports. The discussion is pretty much pointless considering that stupid people give birth to smart people and that the reverse is also true. Basically, most people shall be born average in capacity, who cares?
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1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This is exactly the kind of problem you get from trying to categorize people by phenotype instead of genotype. It completely ignores all environmental factors.

We don't assume phenotypes are congenital just because they are disproportionately representative in a categorized race.

"Dolphins have brains bigger than humans...but then again, they're pretty smart."

He sounds like the kind of person who would say neanderthal brains are smaller than ours.

Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons. Even though human brains have grown more than 2x the size of chimps, it only has 1.25x the neurons, which is exactly what you'd predict from simply scaling up a chimp or scaling down a gorilla. Increased brain size doesn't mean extra neurons. Brain density is the key figure, and what that density is composed of.

"Why have a larger brain if it doesn't do anything?"

*sigh*
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1/26/2012 4:35:21 PM
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FYI, if we measured the brains sizes of the average homosexual to heterosexual male, people like you would conclude heterosexuals are smarter because hormonally-mediated growth of certain sex-related areas of the brain leads to smaller sizes (becoming more like women in terms of size).
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1/26/2012 6:37:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons.

This is true, but brain size does have a .4 correlation with IQ.
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1/27/2012 12:48:14 AM
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AtheistKult: RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HAVE LOWER IQs LOL THEY STUPID

AtheistKult: NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. THE IQ TESTS ARE DESIGNED TO FAVOR ASIANS AND WHITES.
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1/27/2012 1:11:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 12:48:14 AM, Reasoning wrote:
AtheistKult: RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HAVE LOWER IQs LOL THEY STUPID

AtheistKult: NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. THE IQ TESTS ARE DESIGNED TO FAVOR ASIANS AND WHITES.

This.
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1/27/2012 1:28:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 6:37:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons.

This is true, but brain size does have a .4 correlation with IQ.

That's a pretty weak correlation. Brain size varies by age, sex, and even social class.

It's also problematic because as you age past 30, your brain weight actually decreases as opposed to continues to increase. The causes of the decrease are varied.

Men consistently have larger mean brain mass than women. Is this evidence that women's mean IQ is lower?

Men who are skilled professionals consistently have larger average brain masses than unskilled groups. According to Rushton (who I'm using since that's where you .4 number comes from), there is a correlation of .25 between brain mass and achieved occupational level. That isn't even including increased mass from educational achievement. He also says that over 50% of cranial size variation is due to environmental factors. Things as simple as childhood illness or trauma, according to him, can contribute up to 52% of cranial size when studying twins in common environments.
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1/27/2012 1:34:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:28:03 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:37:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons.

This is true, but brain size does have a .4 correlation with IQ.

That's a pretty weak correlation. Brain size varies by age, sex, and even social class.

Well it is a correlation nonetheless, and it is statistically significant, so there is a relationship between them.

It's also problematic because as you age past 30, your brain weight actually decreases as opposed to continues to increase. The causes of the decrease are varied.

How is that problematic?

Men consistently have larger mean brain mass than women. Is this evidence that women's mean IQ is lower?

They definitely have different cognitive abilities. I also believe that men have slightly higher IQ.

Men who are skilled professionals consistently have larger average brain masses than unskilled groups. According to Rushton (who I'm using since that's where you .4 number comes from), there is a correlation of .25 between brain mass and achieved occupational level. That isn't even including increased mass from educational achievement. He also says that over 50% of cranial size variation is due to environmental factors. Things as simple as childhood illness or trauma, according to him, can contribute up to 52% of cranial size when studying twins in common environments.
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1/27/2012 1:39:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:28:03 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:37:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons.

This is true, but brain size does have a .4 correlation with IQ.

That's a pretty weak correlation.

No, that's a significant correlation. That's the same correlation between muscle mass and strength in arm.

Brain size varies by age, sex, and even social class.

Precisely.

Men consistently have larger mean brain mass than women. Is this evidence that women's mean IQ is lower?

Women do have lower mean IQ. http://en.wikinews.org...
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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1/27/2012 1:42:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:34:43 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:28:03 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:37:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons.

This is true, but brain size does have a .4 correlation with IQ.

That's a pretty weak correlation. Brain size varies by age, sex, and even social class.

Well it is a correlation nonetheless, and it is statistically significant, so there is a relationship between them.

Lmfao.

The point is that there isn't enough variation in brain size for it to influence the variation in intellect you see in people.
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1/27/2012 1:46:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:39:03 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:28:03 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:37:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons.

This is true, but brain size does have a .4 correlation with IQ.

That's a pretty weak correlation.

No, that's a significant correlation. That's the same correlation between muscle mass and strength in arm.

Brain size varies by age, sex, and even social class.

Precisely.

Men consistently have larger mean brain mass than women. Is this evidence that women's mean IQ is lower?

Women do have lower mean IQ. http://en.wikinews.org...

"First, females benefit significantly from single sex education, but single sex education has little impact upon males. As a consequence, the Irwing & Lynn study can not lay claim to a biological difference in intelligence, unless it restricts itself to women attending all girls schools. Secondly, the process of natural selection leads males of any species to have more variance in most traits. As a result, Stephen Pinker suggests that one should find "more geniuses and more idiots" among human males (see Pinker slide 41). As a consequence, any omission of people at the lower end of the IQ spectrum would bias the average male IQ upward, relative to the average female IQ ."

People don't even review their own references these days?

So, let me get this straight.

You guys don't know shtt, do you? You just have opinions, then enter situations with your google trigger finger ready on go, with you opinion in the search query, eh?

Can we have some people that know what they're talking about in these conversations for once?
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1/27/2012 1:48:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:42:29 AM, Ren wrote:
Lmfao.

The point is that there isn't enough variation in brain size for it to influence the variation in intellect you see in people.

Well, we see that people with higher IQ tend to have larger brains. It could be a coincidence, but there is a significant correlation.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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1/27/2012 1:54:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:46:21 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:39:03 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:28:03 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:37:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons.

This is true, but brain size does have a .4 correlation with IQ.

That's a pretty weak correlation.

No, that's a significant correlation. That's the same correlation between muscle mass and strength in arm.

Brain size varies by age, sex, and even social class.

Precisely.

Men consistently have larger mean brain mass than women. Is this evidence that women's mean IQ is lower?

Women do have lower mean IQ. http://en.wikinews.org...

"First, females benefit significantly from single sex education, but single sex education has little impact upon males. As a consequence, the Irwing & Lynn study can not lay claim to a biological difference in intelligence, unless it restricts itself to women attending all girls schools. Secondly, the process of natural selection leads males of any species to have more variance in most traits. As a result, Stephen Pinker suggests that one should find "more geniuses and more idiots" among human males (see Pinker slide 41). As a consequence, any omission of people at the lower end of the IQ spectrum would bias the average male IQ upward, relative to the average female IQ ."

People don't even review their own references these days?

So, let me get this straight.

You guys don't know shtt, do you? You just have opinions, then enter situations with your google trigger finger ready on go, with you opinion in the search query, eh?

Can we have some people that know what they're talking about in these conversations for once?

No, I read it. It's also suggested, in the article, that brain size has little impact on IQ. Possible. But, in any event. The article does say that there is are more very intelligent males than very intelligent females.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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1/27/2012 1:59:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:54:45 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:46:21 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:39:03 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:28:03 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:37:14 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/26/2012 4:33:12 PM, Wnope wrote:
Bad news, brain size does not necessarily mean an increase in neurons.

This is true, but brain size does have a .4 correlation with IQ.

That's a pretty weak correlation.

No, that's a significant correlation. That's the same correlation between muscle mass and strength in arm.

Brain size varies by age, sex, and even social class.

Precisely.

Men consistently have larger mean brain mass than women. Is this evidence that women's mean IQ is lower?

Women do have lower mean IQ. http://en.wikinews.org...

"First, females benefit significantly from single sex education, but single sex education has little impact upon males. As a consequence, the Irwing & Lynn study can not lay claim to a biological difference in intelligence, unless it restricts itself to women attending all girls schools. Secondly, the process of natural selection leads males of any species to have more variance in most traits. As a result, Stephen Pinker suggests that one should find "more geniuses and more idiots" among human males (see Pinker slide 41). As a consequence, any omission of people at the lower end of the IQ spectrum would bias the average male IQ upward, relative to the average female IQ ."

People don't even review their own references these days?

So, let me get this straight.

You guys don't know shtt, do you? You just have opinions, then enter situations with your google trigger finger ready on go, with you opinion in the search query, eh?

Can we have some people that know what they're talking about in these conversations for once?

No, I read it. It's also suggested, in the article, that brain size has little impact on IQ. Possible. But, in any event. The article does say that there is are more very intelligent males than very intelligent females.

And, they also say that the social dynamic between men and women results in more genetic variation in men, so that there will be more geniuses, but there will also be more idiots. This led to the criticism that low-outlier to below average scores weren't considered at all in the research, generally invalidating the claim.
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1/27/2012 1:59:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:48:26 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:42:29 AM, Ren wrote:
Lmfao.

The point is that there isn't enough variation in brain size for it to influence the variation in intellect you see in people.

Well, we see that people with higher IQ tend to have larger brains. It could be a coincidence, but there is a significant correlation.

Who's we?

I've encountered many-a big headed fool in my time.
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1/27/2012 2:05:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:59:13 AM, Ren wrote:
And, they also say that the social dynamic between men and women results in more genetic variation in men,

A social dynamic results in genetic variation?
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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1/27/2012 2:08:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 2:05:21 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:59:13 AM, Ren wrote:
And, they also say that the social dynamic between men and women results in more genetic variation in men,

A social dynamic results in genetic variation?

Absolutely?
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1/27/2012 2:10:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 1:59:55 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:48:26 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:42:29 AM, Ren wrote:
Lmfao.

The point is that there isn't enough variation in brain size for it to influence the variation in intellect you see in people.

Well, we see that people with higher IQ tend to have larger brains. It could be a coincidence, but there is a significant correlation.

Who's we?

I've encountered many-a big headed fool in my time.

By the way, before you write this off as a troll, I know that there is this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com...

But, if you read the find print, you'll find this:

"We didn't have data on enough species to address this question conclusively," Deaner said. "But the human brain imaging data indicate that some correction for 'neural traffic maintenance' is probably needed. If it wasn't needed, then we would be stuck with some real puzzles, such as the fact that there are no consistent sex differences in IQ, yet men generally have larger brains. And, of course, elephants and whales possess larger brains than we do, yet it's hard for us to imagine that they are smarter than we are."
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1/27/2012 10:47:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 2:08:52 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/27/2012 2:05:21 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:59:13 AM, Ren wrote:
And, they also say that the social dynamic between men and women results in more genetic variation in men,

A social dynamic results in genetic variation?

Absolutely?

I'm confused. I thought genetic variation had to do with alleles and genes. Was I wrong?
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1/27/2012 4:52:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 2:10:27 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:59:55 AM, Ren wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:48:26 AM, Reasoning wrote:
At 1/27/2012 1:42:29 AM, Ren wrote:
Lmfao.

The point is that there isn't enough variation in brain size for it to influence the variation in intellect you see in people.

Well, we see that people with higher IQ tend to have larger brains. It could be a coincidence, but there is a significant correlation.

Who's we?

I've encountered many-a big headed fool in my time.

By the way, before you write this off as a troll, I know that there is this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com...

But, if you read the find print, you'll find this:

"We didn't have data on enough species to address this question conclusively," Deaner said. "But the human brain imaging data indicate that some correction for 'neural traffic maintenance' is probably needed. If it wasn't needed, then we would be stuck with some real puzzles, such as the fact that there are no consistent sex differences in IQ, yet men generally have larger brains. And, of course, elephants and whales possess larger brains than we do, yet it's hard for us to imagine that they are smarter than we are."

Isn't it grey matter count or something?
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