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ACTA: Obama's NWO Global Fascist Mandate

GeoLaureate8
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1/26/2012 2:02:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Obama Signs Global Internet Treaty Worse Than SOPA

White House bypasses Senate to ink agreement that could allow Chinese companies to demand ISPs remove web content in US with no legal oversight.

Months before the debate about Internet censorship raged as SOPA and PIPA dominated the concerns of web users, President Obama signed an international treaty that would allow companies in China or any other country in the world to demand ISPs remove web content in the US with no legal oversight whatsoever.

The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement was signed by Obama on October 1 2011, yet is currently the subject of a White House petition demanding Senators be forced to ratify the treaty. The White House has circumvented the necessity to have the treaty confirmed by lawmakers by presenting it an as "executive agreement," although legal scholars have highlighted the dubious nature of this characterization.

The groups pushing the treaty also want to empower copyright holders with the ability to demand that users who violate intellectual property rights (with no legal process) have their Internet connections terminated, a punishment that could only ever be properly enforced by the creation of an individual Internet ID card for every web user, a system that is already in the works.

"The same industry rightsholder groups that support the creation of ACTA have also called for mandatory network-level filtering by Internet Service Providers and for Internet Service Providers to terminate citizens' Internet connection on repeat allegation of copyright infringement (the "Three Strikes" /Graduated Response) so there is reason to believe that ACTA will seek to increase intermediary liability and require these things of Internet Service Providers," reports the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

The treaty will also mandate that ISPs disclose personal user information to the copyright holder, while providing authorities across the globe with broader powers to search laptops and Internet-capable devices at border checkpoints.

In presenting ACTA as an "international agreement" rather than a treaty, the Obama administration managed to circumvent the legislative process and avoid having to get Senate approval, a method questioned by Senator Wyden."

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1/26/2012 2:25:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
So, if this is "worse" than SOPA, does that mean that if all of the normal sites are still up after 2 weeks we can say that the people crying over SOPA are pussyies?
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RoyLatham
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1/26/2012 4:40:41 PM
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The cited article gives a link to the trade agreement. The trade agreement references judiciary endlessly. The situation it contemplates is that of faked trademarked goods being brought into the US. For example, suppose someone brings in a box a fake Rolex watches. Under the agreement, the watches could not only be seized by Customs, but the person charged for trademark violation. However, the person can then take it to court and fight the charges. If the person is found guilty -- that they really were fake -- then the person has to pay the court costs in addition to the trademark violation.

I don't see any reference to the internet or to intellectual property other than trademarks on physical goods. The guy writing the article thinks it could be applied that way, but it sure seems like a stretch. In any case, it's pretty clear it can be taken to court.

The Customs people do get to make the initial call of the trademark violation, but they always do that. They seize products from endangered species, illegal drugs, and faked goods now. The new feature relates to penalties.
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1/26/2012 4:44:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 4:40:41 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
The cited article gives a link to the trade agreement. The trade agreement references judiciary endlessly. The situation it contemplates is that of faked trademarked goods being brought into the US. For example, suppose someone brings in a box a fake Rolex watches. Under the agreement, the watches could not only be seized by Customs, but the person charged for trademark violation. However, the person can then take it to court and fight the charges. If the person is found guilty -- that they really were fake -- then the person has to pay the court costs in addition to the trademark violation.

I don't see any reference to the internet or to intellectual property other than trademarks on physical goods. The guy writing the article thinks it could be applied that way, but it sure seems like a stretch. In any case, it's pretty clear it can be taken to court.

The Customs people do get to make the initial call of the trademark violation, but they always do that. They seize products from endangered species, illegal drugs, and faked goods now. The new feature relates to penalties.

Thanks for the input. I may not always agree with you, but you always have something insightful and reasonable to say.

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1/26/2012 4:50:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
For someone that runs around calling all his opponents fascist, ...you sure don't seem to know what it means.
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1/26/2012 4:59:12 PM
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At 1/26/2012 4:50:19 PM, 000ike wrote:
For someone that runs around calling all his opponents fascist, ...you sure don't seem to know what it means.

Fascism is a form of government that controls lives at a social and individual level.

I suppose this bill is both Communist and Fascist because it controls economy and individuals.
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1/26/2012 5:04:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 4:59:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 1/26/2012 4:50:19 PM, 000ike wrote:
For someone that runs around calling all his opponents fascist, ...you sure don't seem to know what it means.

Fascism is a form of government that controls lives at a social and individual level.

I suppose this bill is both Communist and Fascist because it controls economy and individuals.

Fascism: http://en.wikipedia.org...

The bill, while it may be authoritarian and it may violate Freedom of Speech, etc., it's not fascist.