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DanT
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1/26/2012 5:39:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Does "Equal Opportunity" refer to Probability or Possibility

I think it refers to Possibility

(adj) equal (having the same quantity, value, or measure as another)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...
(n) opportunity (a possibility due to a favorable combination of circumstances)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

If it refers to equal quantity of opportunities it refers to;
the same quantity of possibilities, due to a favorable combination of circumstances
(n) quantity (how much there is or how many there are of something that you can quantify)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

Such as non-discrimination based on race, or gender, by employers.

If it refers to equal quality of opportunities it refers to;
possibilities with the same quantity of required circumstances
(n) quality (a degree or grade of excellence or worth)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

such as everyone having the option of college, which is required for some jobs.

(adj) favorable (encouraging or approving or pleasing)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

(n) combination (the act of arranging elements into specified groups without regard to order)
or
(n) combination (an assemblage of separate parts or qualities)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

A favorable combination of circumstances would be an encouraging assemblage of separate parts or qualities.

for example an A.S. Degree, requires you take certain courses; the courses can be separated into 3 groups, the Early Course Group, the Middle Course Group, and the Upper Course Group.

Let's say the Early Course Group, and Middle Course Group Got all A's, while the Upper Course Group got all B's; That would be a favorable combination for obtaining a Degree, as all the requirements have been met.

Your thoughts?
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1/26/2012 5:44:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Equal opportunity is impossible since we all have access to different social capital. Many people think that capital goods gives you a strong head start in life, but social capital is more valuable for obtaining more wealth then capital goods are.
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1/26/2012 5:49:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
OP is ridiculous. He's had 2 debates on the subject, lost both of them, and refuses to back down. He's been over this extensively with both me and DoubleR and I refuse to discuss it further.

Btw, those are some damning quotes on royalpaladin there.
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1/26/2012 5:51:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I believe whole heartedly in equal opporitunity.

Does equal opporitunity = fairness? No. So social capital means nothing because everyone has the same freedom to climb to the top, it has nothing to do with where you start in conjunction to the top. Everyone is able to get there, that's what it means.
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1/26/2012 5:54:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 5:44:52 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Equal opportunity is impossible since we all have access to different social capital. Many people think that capital goods gives you a strong head start in life, but social capital is more valuable for obtaining more wealth then capital goods are.

first off that was not the question.

further more, that depends on the context of equal opportunity;

Equal-opportunity usually refers to non-discrimination when hiring

(n) equal opportunity (the right to equivalent opportunities for employment regardless of race or color or sex or national origin)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

If used in the context, "In America do we have an Equal Opportunity' to become millionaires?", the answer would be no, because we have different starting points.

But if used in the context, "In America do we have 'Equal Opportunity' to advance our social class?" than the answer would be yes, equal opportunity exists, because the phrase would be applying to each social class individually, not to the whole population.
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1/26/2012 5:56:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 5:51:03 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I believe whole heartedly in equal opporitunity.

Does equal opporitunity = fairness? No.

Actually yes.

(n) equal opportunity (the right to equivalent opportunities for employment regardless of race or color or sex or national origin)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

(n) fairness, fair-mindedness, candor, candour (ability to make judgments free from discrimination or dishonesty)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...
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1/26/2012 5:59:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 5:51:03 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
I believe whole heartedly in equal opporitunity.

Does equal opporitunity = fairness? No. So social capital means nothing because everyone has the same freedom to climb to the top, it has nothing to do with where you start in conjunction to the top. Everyone is able to get there, that's what it means.

Equal opportunity needs fairness to give it actual meaning. Otherwise you're in this ridiculous world of "possibilities" where nothing can fully excluded and no allowances or excuses can be made for people. It just isn't realistic, even when I was a conservative I was never under the delusion that everyone is given a fair shot.
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1/26/2012 6:00:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 5:49:04 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
OP is ridiculous. He's had 2 debates on the subject, lost both of them, and refuses to back down. He's been over this extensively with both me and DoubleR

No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?

Btw, those are some damning quotes on royalpaladin there.

What are you talking about?
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1/26/2012 6:02:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
So far nobody read the original post, and all the posts so far have been tangents. Please stay on topic.
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1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?

I have no more to tell you.
Btw, those are some damning quotes on royalpaladin there.

What are you talking about?

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1/26/2012 6:06:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

But our debate was a different topic.


and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?

I have no more to tell you.

Again, what are you doing now?

Btw, those are some damning quotes on royalpaladin there.

What are you talking about?

Dk's sig.

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1/26/2012 6:07:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 6:06:24 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

But our debate was a different topic.


and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?

I have no more to tell you.

Again, what are you doing now?

Btw, those are some damning quotes on royalpaladin there.

What are you talking about?

Dk's sig.

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Sorry that question mark was suppose t be a "..."
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1/26/2012 6:10:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 5:39:57 PM, DanT wrote:
Does "Equal Opportunity" refer to Probability or Possibility

I think it refers to Possibility

(adj) equal (having the same quantity, value, or measure as another)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...
(n) opportunity (a possibility due to a favorable combination of circumstances)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

If it refers to equal quantity of opportunities it refers to;
the same quantity of possibilities, due to a favorable combination of circumstances
(n) quantity (how much there is or how many there are of something that you can quantify)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

Such as non-discrimination based on race, or gender, by employers.

If it refers to equal quality of opportunities it refers to;
possibilities with the same quantity of required circumstances
(n) quality (a degree or grade of excellence or worth)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

such as everyone having the option of college, which is required for some jobs.

(adj) favorable (encouraging or approving or pleasing)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

(n) combination (the act of arranging elements into specified groups without regard to order)
or
(n) combination (an assemblage of separate parts or qualities)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

A favorable combination of circumstances would be an encouraging assemblage of separate parts or qualities.

for example an A.S. Degree, requires you take certain courses; the courses can be separated into 3 groups, the Early Course Group, the Middle Course Group, and the Upper Course Group.

Let's say the Early Course Group, and Middle Course Group Got all A's, while the Upper Course Group got all B's; That would be a favorable combination for obtaining a Degree, as all the requirements have been met.



Your thoughts?

bump; since no one is staying on topic.
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1/26/2012 6:13:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 6:06:24 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

But our debate was a different topic.

But it covered that topic. It was in the resolution.

and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?
I'm not going back and forth with you. I was surprised that someone would argue that resolution in the first place and that fact that you've stuck to it so vehemently leaves me to conclude that you're not interested in leaving the United States of Wonderland.
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1/26/2012 6:42:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 5:44:52 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Equal opportunity is impossible
No it's not, kill everyone and they'll all have the same opportunities, duh.
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1/26/2012 7:02:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 6:42:42 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 1/26/2012 5:44:52 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Equal opportunity is impossible
No it's not, kill everyone and they'll all have the same opportunities, duh.

Well, thats one way to go about it.....
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1/26/2012 7:04:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 6:42:42 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 1/26/2012 5:44:52 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Equal opportunity is impossible
No it's not, kill everyone and they'll all have the same opportunities, duh.

Oh, and sigged.
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1/26/2012 7:32:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 6:13:43 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:06:24 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

But our debate was a different topic.

But it covered that topic. It was in the resolution.

"Resolved: In the United States, all individuals have an equal opportunity to advance social class.
First round is for acceptance, clarification of terms, and other concerns."

the term "equal opportunity" was clarified in round 1, so the debate it's self did not cover what equal opportunity referred to, it discussed if it existed.

Again this thread is about what it refers to, not if it exists.


and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?
I'm not going back and forth with you. I was surprised that someone would argue that resolution in the first place and that fact that you've stuck to it so vehemently leaves me to conclude that you're not interested in leaving the United States of Wonderland.

A.) you are still "discussing it further".
B.) Our debate was a farce; you grouped all the social classes together, despite the resolution, and you ignored the agreed upon definitions, and somehow still won.
It's really a testament to poor voting conduct.

Now I ask you to please stay on topic
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1/26/2012 7:51:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 7:32:27 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:13:43 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:06:24 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

But our debate was a different topic.

But it covered that topic. It was in the resolution.

"Resolved: In the United States, all individuals have an equal opportunity to advance social class.
First round is for acceptance, clarification of terms, and other concerns."

the term "equal opportunity" was clarified in round 1, so the debate it's self did not cover what equal opportunity referred to, it discussed if it existed.

Again this thread is about what it refers to, not if it exists.




and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?
I'm not going back and forth with you. I was surprised that someone would argue that resolution in the first place and that fact that you've stuck to it so vehemently leaves me to conclude that you're not interested in leaving the United States of Wonderland.

A.) you are still "discussing it further".
B.) Our debate was a farce; you grouped all the social classes together, despite the resolution, and you ignored the agreed upon definitions, and somehow still won.
It's really a testament to poor voting conduct.





Now I ask you to please stay on topic

Pfft, opinion is were the bold is. And sore loser.
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1/26/2012 8:17:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 7:51:03 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 1/26/2012 7:32:27 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:13:43 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:06:24 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

But our debate was a different topic.

But it covered that topic. It was in the resolution.

"Resolved: In the United States, all individuals have an equal opportunity to advance social class.
First round is for acceptance, clarification of terms, and other concerns."

the term "equal opportunity" was clarified in round 1, so the debate it's self did not cover what equal opportunity referred to, it discussed if it existed.

Again this thread is about what it refers to, not if it exists.




and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?
I'm not going back and forth with you. I was surprised that someone would argue that resolution in the first place and that fact that you've stuck to it so vehemently leaves me to conclude that you're not interested in leaving the United States of Wonderland.

A.) you are still "discussing it further".
B.) Our debate was a farce; you grouped all the social classes together, despite the resolution, and you ignored the agreed upon definitions, and somehow still won.
It's really a testament to poor voting conduct.




Now I ask you to please stay on topic

Pfft, opinion is were the bold is. And sore loser.

You included non-opinions with the opinions. I fixed it.
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1/26/2012 8:23:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 7:32:27 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:13:43 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:06:24 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

But our debate was a different topic.

But it covered that topic. It was in the resolution.

"Resolved: In the United States, all individuals have an equal opportunity to advance social class.
First round is for acceptance, clarification of terms, and other concerns."

the term "equal opportunity" was clarified in round 1, so the debate it's self did not cover what equal opportunity referred to, it discussed if it existed.

Again this thread is about what it refers to, not if it exists.

But we had to clarify the terms in the definition, the definition didn't end the discussion.



and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?
I'm not going back and forth with you. I was surprised that someone would argue that resolution in the first place and that fact that you've stuck to it so vehemently leaves me to conclude that you're not interested in leaving the United States of Wonderland.

A.) you are still "discussing it further".
B.) Our debate was a farce; you grouped all the social classes together, despite the resolution, and you ignored the agreed upon definitions, and somehow still won.
It's really a testament to poor voting conduct.




Now I ask you to please stay on topic

A) It's evident that you have this immense concern with being right in bringing up trivial issues just to prove me wrong. I don't care to address this, and even if I did you would just respond further regardless of whether the argument was sound or not. I actually feel bad for you, and imagine your teachers must have a tough time if this is how you operate IRL.
B) Yes, there is a conspiracy against the libertarians on DDO and conservatives never win debates. Keep thinking that.

You're a joke.
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1/26/2012 8:38:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 8:23:12 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/26/2012 7:32:27 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:13:43 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:06:24 PM, DanT wrote:
At 1/26/2012 6:03:06 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
No I had 1 debate on this particular subject, and it's still in voting

We discussed it in our debate and in the comments.

But our debate was a different topic.

But it covered that topic. It was in the resolution.

"Resolved: In the United States, all individuals have an equal opportunity to advance social class.
First round is for acceptance, clarification of terms, and other concerns."

the term "equal opportunity" was clarified in round 1, so the debate it's self did not cover what equal opportunity referred to, it discussed if it existed.

Again this thread is about what it refers to, not if it exists.

But we had to clarify the terms in the definition, the definition didn't end the discussion.

The definition agreed upon was
(n) opportunity (a possibility due to a favorable combination of circumstances)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

Doesn't get much clearer than that.




and I refuse to discuss it further.

What are you doing now?
I'm not going back and forth with you. I was surprised that someone would argue that resolution in the first place and that fact that you've stuck to it so vehemently leaves me to conclude that you're not interested in leaving the United States of Wonderland.

A.) you are still "discussing it further".
B.) Our debate was a farce; you grouped all the social classes together, despite the resolution, and you ignored the agreed upon definitions, and somehow still won.
It's really a testament to poor voting conduct.




Now I ask you to please stay on topic

A) It's evident that you have this immense concern with being right in bringing up trivial issues just to prove me wrong.

You calling me trivial, you are bringing up a debate that has nothing to do with this topic. conceited much?

I don't care to address this, and even if I did you would just respond further regardless of whether the argument was sound or not.

you are the one bringing up our debate, in a thread that has nothing to do with or debate.

I actually feel bad for you, and imagine your teachers must have a tough time if this is how you operate IRL.

Must be why I made Deans List 2 years in a row, and have a 3.7 GPA; also explains their complements on my graded papers.

B) Yes, there is a conspiracy against the libertarians on DDO and conservatives never win debates. Keep thinking that.

Never sad that. I'm not the only one who been complaining about poor voting conduct, there are many threads made about it lately, and most of those reporting it are left wing.

You're a joke.

I didn't insult you, why do you find the need to insult me. Again, you are the one bringing up the past, now please stop side tracking this thread.

I
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1/26/2012 8:39:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/26/2012 5:39:57 PM, DanT wrote:
Does "Equal Opportunity" refer to Probability or Possibility

I think it refers to Possibility

(adj) equal (having the same quantity, value, or measure as another)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...
(n) opportunity (a possibility due to a favorable combination of circumstances)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

If it refers to equal quantity of opportunities it refers to;
the same quantity of possibilities, due to a favorable combination of circumstances
(n) quantity (how much there is or how many there are of something that you can quantify)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

Such as non-discrimination based on race, or gender, by employers.

If it refers to equal quality of opportunities it refers to;
possibilities with the same quantity of required circumstances
(n) quality (a degree or grade of excellence or worth)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

such as everyone having the option of college, which is required for some jobs.

(adj) favorable (encouraging or approving or pleasing)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

(n) combination (the act of arranging elements into specified groups without regard to order)
or
(n) combination (an assemblage of separate parts or qualities)
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

A favorable combination of circumstances would be an encouraging assemblage of separate parts or qualities.

for example an A.S. Degree, requires you take certain courses; the courses can be separated into 3 groups, the Early Course Group, the Middle Course Group, and the Upper Course Group.

Let's say the Early Course Group, and Middle Course Group Got all A's, while the Upper Course Group got all B's; That would be a favorable combination for obtaining a Degree, as all the requirements have been met.



Your thoughts?

Bump; no more side track please.
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