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1Historygenius
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1/27/2012 4:05:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Well for all you anti-Romney people like me, Florida is the last chance really. After that primaries will be coming in February fast and it may well be over in months. However, the three opponents did not do as good as Romney in last night's debate according to Elephant Watcher. According to it:

"In tonight's debate, Newt Gingrich needed a knock-out performance. Instead, he was K.O.'d by Mitt Romney, who overwhelmingly won the debate. If Romney wins the Republican nomination for president, many will look back on this debate and say this was the night when Romney's victory was sealed.

Time and again, Romney engaged in one-on-one exchanges with Gingrich. Time and again, Romney trounced him. The crowd in the audience hall repeatedly cheered Romney during these exchanges and were almost mute to Gingrich's responses. It's ironic, considering Gingrich was the one who insisted that the audience be allowed to react. Maybe he expected to be given standing ovations, but instead the audience was firmly in Romney's corner.

From the start, Romney took control of the debate. The moderator asked Gingrich to explain his attack ad portraying Romney as "the most anti-immigrant candidate" in the race. Gingrich, who had been scolded by Senator Marco Rubio earlier in the week and forced to stop running the ad, tried to defend himself. Romney launched into a powerful attack against Gingrich, repeating Rubio's criticisms of the ad. Romney went on to bolster his argument that he is pro-legal immigration. Gingrich shrank.

Shortly afterward, Gingrich went on the offensive, attacking Romney for having stock in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But Romney slammed Gingrich by revealing that Gingrich, too, had investments with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Gingrich seemed more surprised than anyone.

Next, when Gingrich criticized Romney's use of a Swiss bank account, Romney counter-punched with a defense of capitalism. Once again, Romney received huge applause from the crowd. Gingrich seemed unsure how to respond.

Finally, after Gingrich attempted to defend his advocacy for a lunar colony, Romney attacked Gingrich for pandering by offering a list of the ways Gingrich had made promises to the different states he campaigned in; Romney framed this as a criticism of Gingrich promising big spending.

Rick Santorum also did well in the debate. He largely avoided attacking other candidates, but he did get into an extended battle with Romney over Romneycare. Romney certainly didn't dominate the exchange as he did during his duels with Gingrich. It was a draw, with an advantage to Santorum for putting Romney on the defensive. But it also gave Romney the opportunity to contrast Obamacare and repeatedly insist that as president he will repeal Obamacare.

What will the result of this debate be? Gingrich was shattered. Many political observers will be surprised by Romney's strong performance--or by Gingrich's poor debating skills. But this was the scenario that Elephant Watcher described on Sunday, and anticipated back in December: Gingrich hasn't been great in one-on-one exchanges, and when Romney has tangled with Gingrich, Romney has usually gotten the better of it. Having been forced to go on the offensive, Romney now appears as a stronger, more confident candidate. He had no choice but to prove Gingrich was not the debating champion he pretended to be. Now many Republican pundits will say they finally saw the fire and passion in Romney that they had been waiting for.

And as described in Sunday's preview of the week's debates, this undermines Gingrich's campaign in devastating fashion. Gingrich based his candidacy around the idea that he was the man who would be best able to debate Barack Obama. Having lost so badly to Romney, how can Gingrich make that argument convincingly?

Santorum also did a better job in the debate than Gingrich. Since the Anti-Romney vote coalesced dramatically behind Gingrich in South Carolina, Santorum's numbers have dropped precipitously. Normally, at this point, they would drop even further, as the polls show Gingrich is much closer to Romney in Florida. But this debate will make it much more difficult for Santorum supporters to get behind Gingrich. If anything, it should make some of Santorum's old supporters want to come back. But it is simply too late for the Gingrich vote to shift entirely in favor of a different Anti-Romney. Voting is on Tuesday. At most, a shift would only split the Anti-Romney vote and increase Romney's margin of victory."

As for the polls:

01/26 Sunshine/VSS -- Romney 40, Gingrich 31, Santorum 12, Paul 9
01/26 Quinnipiac -- Romney 38, Gingrich 29, Paul 14, Santorum 12
01/25 SurveyUSA -- Romney 39, Gingrich 32, Santorum 11, Paul 8
01/25 Rasmussen -- Romney 39, Gingrich 31, Santorum 12, Paul 9
01/25 Insider Adv -- Romney 40, Gingrich 32, Paul 9, Santorum 8

The only way Romney can be stopped is if Gingrich or Santorum leave the race. It is expected for Santorum to drop out and endorse Gingrich eventually due to his polls lower than Gingrich. Basically, Gingrich can win, Rick cannot. Ron Paul has his legions of loyal supporters, but it is unknown if he can win the nomination. Elephant Watcher recalculated the rankings to win after the debate:

Romney 89%, Newt Gingrich 9%, and Rick Santorum 2%. Ron Paul has never risen above 0%.

As for Intrade Romney is getting close to 100%.
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M.Torres
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1/27/2012 5:36:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/27/2012 4:47:30 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
bla bla bla

TL;DR

problem?

lol - you haven't met Charles yet, have you?
: At 11/28/2011 1:28:24 PM, BlackVoid wrote:
: M. Torres said it, so it must be right.

I'm an Apatheistic Ignostic. ... problem? ;D

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GeoLaureate8
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1/28/2012 7:03:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I gotta give it up to Romney for a stellar debate performance.

But I think this may have been one of Ron Pauls best debates. Obviously I think he wins everytime, but I think even from the mainstream perspective, Ron Paul had a great debate performance that night in Florida. Even Wolf Blitzer gave Ron Paul the first mention in his post debate analysis.

I particularly think that what really resonated with people was when Romney and Gingrich were going back and forth about personal attack about who profited what from who for 20 minutes, and Blitzer asked Pauls opinion and he said "this topic doesnt interest me that much." He really made Romney and Gingrich look petty while Paul came off as the guy who cares about the issues and principles and not personal quarrels.

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1/28/2012 8:43:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Gingrich had a poor performance and mitt out debated him much of the time.

Mitt had a stellar performance shaking off most attacks except 1.

Paul did well but stuttered which harms his message.

Santorum had a great night attacking newt well, won his skirmish with Ron on foreign policy, and was the first to really tag Romney on his Romney care.

Debate in 30 sec right there
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1/28/2012 8:50:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/28/2012 8:43:58 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Gingrich had a poor performance and mitt out debated him much of the time.

Mitt had a stellar performance shaking off most attacks except 1.

Paul did well but stuttered which harms his message.

Santorum had a great night attacking newt well, won his skirmish with Ron on foreign policy, and was the first to really tag Romney on his Romney care.

Debate in 30 sec right there

Gingrich and Romney largely babbled nonsense, Gingrich tried to attack the moderators as usual, the crowd cheered like mindless sheep to a few crappy applause-lines, Santorum got jeolous that Willard and Grinch were in the spotlight and delivered a passionate outcry for attention.

debate in 10 sec right there.
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1/28/2012 9:02:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/28/2012 8:50:59 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 1/28/2012 8:43:58 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Gingrich had a poor performance and mitt out debated him much of the time.

Mitt had a stellar performance shaking off most attacks except 1.

Paul did well but stuttered which harms his message.

Santorum had a great night attacking newt well, won his skirmish with Ron on foreign policy, and was the first to really tag Romney on his Romney care.

Debate in 30 sec right there

Gingrich and Romney largely babbled nonsense, Gingrich tried to attack the moderators as usual, the crowd cheered like mindless sheep to a few crappy applause-lines, Santorum got jeolous that Willard and Grinch were in the spotlight and delivered a passionate outcry for attention.

debate in 10 sec right there.

Lol
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