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tyler90az
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1/31/2012 10:32:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The healthcare bill forces the Catholic Church to offer contraceptives with its healthcare plan. To me it is a clear violation of freedom of religion. This is a slippery slope to start going down.

What does everyone think?

http://www.foxnews.com...
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tyler90az
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1/31/2012 10:34:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/31/2012 10:32:42 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The healthcare bill forces the Catholic Church to offer contraceptives with its healthcare plan. To me it is a clear violation of freedom of religion. This is a slippery slope to start going down.

What does everyone think?

http://www.foxnews.com...

It also mandates abortion....
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rogue
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1/31/2012 10:40:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/31/2012 10:32:42 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The healthcare bill forces the Catholic Church to offer contraceptives with its healthcare plan. To me it is a clear violation of freedom of religion. This is a slippery slope to start going down.

What does everyone think?

http://www.foxnews.com...

I disagree. The people don't have to use the contraceptives, but what if they aren't catholic or bend on that one doctrine? They could be screwed over without this. Same goes for abortion.
mongoose
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1/31/2012 10:42:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You don't have to get that detailed. It forces anybody to do something. The Constitution doesn't permit that either.
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
tyler90az
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1/31/2012 10:43:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/31/2012 10:40:20 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/31/2012 10:32:42 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The healthcare bill forces the Catholic Church to offer contraceptives with its healthcare plan. To me it is a clear violation of freedom of religion. This is a slippery slope to start going down.

What does everyone think?

http://www.foxnews.com...

I disagree. The people don't have to use the contraceptives, but what if they aren't catholic or bend on that one doctrine? They could be screwed over without this. Same goes for abortion.

"In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences," said New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan in a statement.

"To force American citizens to choose between violating their consciences and forgoing their health care is literally unconscionable. It is as much an attack on access to health care as on religious freedom. Historically this represents a challenge and a compromise of our religious liberty," said Dolan who is also the president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the public policy arm of the church in the United States.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com...
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rogue
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1/31/2012 10:47:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 1/31/2012 10:43:10 PM, tyler90az wrote:
At 1/31/2012 10:40:20 PM, rogue wrote:
At 1/31/2012 10:32:42 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The healthcare bill forces the Catholic Church to offer contraceptives with its healthcare plan. To me it is a clear violation of freedom of religion. This is a slippery slope to start going down.

What does everyone think?

http://www.foxnews.com...

I disagree. The people don't have to use the contraceptives, but what if they aren't catholic or bend on that one doctrine? They could be screwed over without this. Same goes for abortion.

"In effect, the president is saying we have a year to figure out how to violate our consciences," said New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan in a statement.

"To force American citizens to choose between violating their consciences and forgoing their health care is literally unconscionable. It is as much an attack on access to health care as on religious freedom. Historically this represents a challenge and a compromise of our religious liberty," said Dolan who is also the president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the public policy arm of the church in the United States.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com...

Yeah I don't really care. They just have to provide them. Anyone who feels that strongly just won't take them. It is a safety precaution. They can suck it up.
tyler90az
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1/31/2012 10:48:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I disagree. The people don't have to use the contraceptives, but what if they aren't catholic or bend on that one doctrine? They could be screwed over without this. Same goes for abortion.

Your saying Catholics should have to pay for contraceptives, even know it is a clear violation of their religion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Rogue, would you be mad if somebody said you have to buy Bibles for everyone? It is essentially the same thing...
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Ore_Ele
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1/31/2012 10:52:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It is not an attack at all.

1) It only applies to them employees.

1P) Not all employees are catholic and hold those beliefs.

1C) It is immoral for the church to force its views upon its employees.

We know 1P is true because it would be illegal discrimination for the church to only hire people of their faith (discrimination based on religion is a big no-no BECAUSE of our freedom of religion).

Those that choose to hold those beliefs do not need to use those contraceptives. Just like their local store probably sells condoms, but they are not forced to buy them. Those that don't hold those beliefs are free to use it or not.
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1/31/2012 11:00:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
As a catholic kid I am mad :)
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