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Volkov
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6/7/2009 4:18:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
http://bnp.org.uk...

Sad day in the world today. These abhorrent, utter racists won a seat in the European Parliament. This can be attributed to the low voter turnout for the major parties, as well as that sad spectacle that was once the Labour Party in the UK. It is just a very, very sad sight to see.

That being said, even racists deserve a voice, especially if the voters have chosen them. I by no means agree with their policies and I think they're probably very unpleasant people to be around - but what can you do? Could a political establishment really ban such a group and call itself defenders of free speech, freedom of association or anything else?

Any thoughts?
Volkov
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6/7/2009 6:17:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/7/2009 6:13:09 PM, PoeJoe wrote:
Wait. Why the hell would anybody vote for this party?

Well, I was just watching BBC results come in, and basically it is just racists and fascists - but not much else. It is that specific group that has been there, but they haven't increased in the actual number of votes cast for them.

They're elected (two of them are now elected by the way) because the Labour Party collapsed in the UK and no one came out to vote. The fanatics always come out to vote, so thats how the BNP are in.

There is a lot of racists in the UK apparently. They're also one of these local-issue, Eurosceptic parties, the latter of which has gotten a bigggg boost in the UK. My hopes, as should be the hopes of anyone with a brain in the UK, is that this won't translate into the parliamentary elections.
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6/7/2009 6:21:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Because we are fed up to the point of desperation at the huge amount of immigration legal or illegal that is coming into our county. But mainly its just people demonstrating their frustration at UK politics in general, by voting for some extremists it causes the bigger parties to panic, and start some changes!
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6/7/2009 6:25:27 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
And it wont translate to parliamentary elections, because the masses will vote at a general election, a third of the people in the uk couldnt care less for the european elections, we have historically been a country isolated from europe, with allot of indifference towards it.
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Volkov
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6/7/2009 6:33:08 PM
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I don't know about that Nik. Just think about it; there is now two official MEPs from Britain that represent a fascist party. Those two members are now legitimized and given a lot of money and effort - money and effort that will directly go towards their little fascist agenda. Had people actually voted during the Euro election, Griffin and that other BNP MEP wouldn't have gotten in. Had there been about 1,200 votes swinging to any other major party - Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, Green or UKIP - neither of those two fools would have been elected.

Seriously, if people are disaffected with the same-old governments, vote Liberal Democrat, not the fascist British National Party.
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6/7/2009 6:39:43 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
True, I'm not saying that its only because of that. But if you live in the uk, you realise that the sort of people that vote for BNP are the sort that live in council houses and havnt voted in their lives becuase theres a football match on. This is certainly a dire situation, I personally voted for LIB DEM (im with you on that one volkov) But I think the results are heavily influenced by the expenses scandal that has hit the major parties. The people are voting for the fringe parties they usually wouldn't vote for, because they have lost faith in what they see as the money grabbing bigger parties.
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Volkov
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6/7/2009 6:49:17 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Very true. I'm hoping the Lib Dems are going to be a main benefactors of the scandal vote, but since they were involved themselves....

I just couldn't stand to see the BNP have a parliamentary seat. The more recognition they get, the more people will probably start to agree. The best sign yet though I've seen of an opposition, was some guy yelling "f*cking fascists" during the vote count for South West district.
feverish
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6/7/2009 6:50:01 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/7/2009 6:21:53 PM, Nik wrote:
Because we are fed up to the point of desperation at the huge amount of immigration legal or illegal that is coming into our county.

Britain is and has always been (like America) a nation of immigrants. Do you really believe all your ancestors were 'native'?
Immigrants are more likely to work and pay taxes and they receive less benefits than us indigenous Brits. Plus more people emigrate from than to the UK every year. The only reason to be fed up is xenophobia.

But mainly its just people demonstrating their frustration at UK politics in general, by voting for some extremists it causes the bigger parties to panic, and start some changes!

Completely disagree. The frustrated generally don't vote. Of the ones that do, the sensible lefties vote Green, Respect or Socialist Labour, the europhobes vote U-Kip and only the proper racists vote BNP (please tell me your not one of them).

I dread to think what changes in major party policy might be brought about by BNP successes.
Volkov
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6/7/2009 7:01:56 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Thank God for that. I didn't think the majority of voters would fall for such blatant nonsense.

But, in a way, you have to admit, this has been quite a win for democracy - possibly the most hated, most vile and most oppressive party possible has had its voice heard and represented. Everyone deserves a voice at least.
feverish
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6/7/2009 7:14:20 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/7/2009 7:01:56 PM, Volkov wrote:
Thank God for that. I didn't think the majority of voters would fall for such blatant nonsense.

Not sure God had much to do with it ;]

But, in a way, you have to admit, this has been quite a win for democracy - possibly the most hated, most vile and most oppressive party possible has had its voice heard and represented. Everyone deserves a voice at least.

I guess I agree but grudgingly. I don't think an extreme Islamic hate group (in Britain) would get away with the sort of respectability the BNP has achieved recently.
Griffin was convicted of inciting racial hatred 11 years ago and now he is representing Britain in Europe, it's disgusting.
Volkov
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6/7/2009 7:18:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/7/2009 7:14:20 PM, feverish wrote:
Griffin was convicted of inciting racial hatred 11 years ago and now he is representing Britain in Europe, it's disgusting.

I know mate, I know. What I am hoping for on the European scene is that the Conservatives don't split off into that parliamentary new group they have been talking about. From what I've heard, it'll be populated by them and a bunch of anti-immigration, anti-gypsy, climate-change deniers - BNP will probably crop up somewhere. Though, to be honest, if the Tories wish to have any respectability they wouldn't allow Griffin in the group.
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6/7/2009 7:27:29 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I think the huge amount of support UKIP has got is more worrying than the BNP getting a seat, I'm very much a Euro supporter, and while UKIP is certainly less extreme than BNP, I disagree with pretty much all of their policies.
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feverish
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6/7/2009 7:28:18 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I think the tories could well win the next general election.

As well as offending my moral sensibilities this will probably force me out of work.
Oh well.

In the (thankfully highly unlikely) event of the BNP winning the next election, I think I would get the hell out and move to Canada (or the carribean).
Volkov
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6/7/2009 7:32:33 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/7/2009 7:27:29 PM, Nik wrote:
I think the huge amount of support UKIP has got is more worrying than the BNP getting a seat, I'm very much a Euro supporter, and while UKIP is certainly less extreme than BNP, I disagree with pretty much all of their policies.

I was thinking that as well, though I think its important to note that the UKIP hasn't actually increased their vote, or their percentage (I think they went up 0.5%). The only reason they've become the second party is because Labour collapsed to spectacularly.
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6/7/2009 7:33:46 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/7/2009 7:28:18 PM, feverish wrote:

In the (thankfully highly unlikely) event of the BNP winning the next election, I think I would get the hell out and move to Canada (or the carribean).

Same, though I think lt would be quite "interesting" to see how the country would cope under their 'reign' I think like most parties they talk the talk, but in the unlikely event that they come to power they would become far more liberal, and less extreme.
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Nik
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6/7/2009 7:37:12 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/7/2009 7:32:33 PM, Volkov wrote:

I was thinking that as well, though I think its important to note that the UKIP hasn't actually increased their vote, or their percentage (I think they went up 0.5%). The only reason they've become the second party is because Labour collapsed to spectacularly.

I know, It was incredible, I cant wait for the papers to come out, especially the daily mail, not that I'm a reader, but I'm sure the headlines will all be quite spectacular. We live in very interesting times my friends, the future of English politics will be unpredictable to say the least.
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Volkov
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6/7/2009 7:39:15 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Agreed. I'm looking forward to a maybe possible Liberal resurgence in the wake of a Labour collapse. Probably won't happen, but you never know.
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6/10/2009 10:02:50 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I think it's more likely that rather than racism being on the rise, this is the case of extremists taking advantage of and mobilizing the disaffected. The majority is always more moderate, but with that comes a certain amount of apathy, and it means they're less likely to vote. The extremists always know how to rally people - that's part of the way the reactionaries got Bush the 2nd in office.
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6/14/2009 3:32:09 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/10/2009 10:02:50 PM, brycef wrote:
I think it's more likely that rather than racism being on the rise, this is the case of extremists taking advantage of and mobilizing the disaffected. The majority is always more moderate, but with that comes a certain amount of apathy, and it means they're less likely to vote. The extremists always know how to rally people - that's part of the way the reactionaries got Bush the 2nd in office.

Good point well made there. The BNP appealed to disaffected Labour Party voters by using slogans such as "British Jobs for British Workers" and implying (wrongly) that immigrants get free housing and more state benefits than British citizens.

But let's not forget that the BNP is all about race - they don't complain about the millions of white, English-speaking Australians, New Zealanders, North Americans and South Africans that come here every year, it's the "pakis" and the "nig-nogs" that they don't like.
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feverish
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6/14/2009 2:05:21 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Sorry for copypasta but this is worth reading for it's wtf factor if not for any relevance to the big problems with this political 'party'.

A senior BNP leader with a strong chance of winning a seat in the London Assembly next month has written that rape is a "myth" and that "some women are like gongs - they need to be struck regularly."

The Standard can reveal that Nick Eriksen, the BNP's London organiser and the second-highest candidate on its list for the Assembly, is the author of "Sir John Bull," a notorious far-Right blog which has regularly advocated hatred and abuse against women. The disclosure will be a serious blow to the BNP's hopes of London electoral success.

On 24 August 2005, Mr Eriksen wrote:
"I've never understood why so many men have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the feminazi myth machine into believing that rape is such a serious crime ... Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal.

"To suggest that rape, when conducted without violence, is a serious crime is like suggesting that forcefeeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence. A woman would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag snatched.

"The demonisation of rape is all part of the feminazi desire to obtain power and mastery over men. Men who go along with the rape myth are either morons or traitors."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk...
Ragnar_Rahl
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6/14/2009 2:35:47 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Though that's nonsense, I have to admit whether rape, of a variety I didn't enjoy, would inconvenience me more than the loss of a wallet, depends on how much was in the wallet. ^_^
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Volkov
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6/14/2009 9:03:17 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Absolutely not surprised, though you'd think that the BNP wouldn't get distracted by women with all the black/indian/pakistani/sino-japanese people around. Consistentcy is the name of the game.

I wonder what the female members of the BNP think of this.