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Reasoning
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2/6/2012 1:16:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police. Discuss.
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2/6/2012 1:32:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Average Police Emergency Response Times

Emergencies
Average time 5 minutes.

Priority One
Average time 9 minutes.
http://tristatek9service.com...

but it really depends on the location, "In Atlanta [in 2009] it took, on average, 11 minutes and 12 seconds from the time a high-priority 911 call was received until an Atlanta police officer showed up at the scene. "
http://apbweb.com...
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2/6/2012 1:34:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
That is true in some parts of India though. :P
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2/6/2012 1:41:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/6/2012 1:32:28 PM, DanT wrote:
Average Police Emergency Response Times

Emergencies
Average time 5 minutes.

Priority One
Average time 9 minutes.
http://tristatek9service.com...


but it really depends on the location, "In Atlanta [in 2009] it took, on average, 11 minutes and 12 seconds from the time a high-priority 911 call was received until an Atlanta police officer showed up at the scene. "
http://apbweb.com...

This, and in contrast, pizza usually takes 30-45 minutes.
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2/6/2012 1:42:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/6/2012 1:16:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police. Discuss.

I have had to call the cops few times in my life. But every time I have, I have had an instant answer, and when needed an instant cop.

Pizza deliver's here in utah usually take 20 to 30 minutes.

I definitely dis agree with this statement. But again it could be different in other states. There's not as much crime in utah as there is in other places.
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2/6/2012 1:51:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://www.amazon.com...
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2/6/2012 1:55:07 PM
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At 2/6/2012 1:51:31 PM, Reasoning wrote:
http://www.amazon.com...

Police officers aren't superman. There job is to arrive at the seen, and as soon as possible. If something happens in the meantime, you can hardly blame them.
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2/6/2012 1:56:03 PM
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"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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2/6/2012 2:16:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/6/2012 1:56:03 PM, Reasoning wrote:
http://www.youtube.com......

I like the points, but that girl has a problem with over-acting :)

It is generally accepted, throughout our society, that police are here to serve and protect us. It might have something to do with the fact that "to serve and protect" is written on the side of many squad cars. This is completely false, as the girl in the video alludes to in her comment about the Supreme Court decisions. It is absolutely not the duty or obligation in any shape way or form for an officer of the law to protect you or serve you in any way. If it were, I think most of our interactions with police would take a much different form.

The duty of every officer is simple: arrest those who break the law. That's it. If I threaten Reasoning and promise to kill him, I could possibly be hit with an insignificant charge for the threat, but nobody is going to protect him from me. If I provided the exact date and time I was going to do it they might anticipate my action and be there to arrest me, but if you think about it, the charge would be quite minimal unless they let me kill him first (to count as attempted murder, I'd have to do a whole lot more than threaten him and show up). So if they let me kill him then they are quite adept at defending his right not to be killed (by charging me for murder).
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2/6/2012 6:52:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/6/2012 2:16:45 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 2/6/2012 1:56:03 PM, Reasoning wrote:
http://www.youtube.com......

I like the points, but that girl has a problem with over-acting :)

It is generally accepted, throughout our society, that police are here to serve and protect us. It might have something to do with the fact that "to serve and protect" is written on the side of many squad cars. This is completely false, as the girl in the video alludes to in her comment about the Supreme Court decisions. It is absolutely not the duty or obligation in any shape way or form for an officer of the law to protect you or serve you in any way. If it were, I think most of our interactions with police would take a much different form.

The duty of every officer is simple: arrest those who break the law. That's it. If I threaten Reasoning and promise to kill him, I could possibly be hit with an insignificant charge for the threat, but nobody is going to protect him from me. If I provided the exact date and time I was going to do it they might anticipate my action and be there to arrest me, but if you think about it, the charge would be quite minimal unless they let me kill him first (to count as attempted murder, I'd have to do a whole lot more than threaten him and show up). So if they let me kill him then they are quite adept at defending his right not to be killed (by charging me for murder).

Polices job is not to protect rather clean up the mess. US justices ruled police are not constitutionally obligated to protect. http://www.nytimes.com...
They also cannot even get close to protection if they tried even if all 500k of them patrolled.
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com...
Also the motto "protect and serve" in some I teepee ring eyes = they protect & serve the state, not us.
http://www.informationliberation.com...
https://www.youtube.com...
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2/6/2012 6:53:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/6/2012 6:52:46 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/6/2012 2:16:45 PM, Lasagna wrote:
At 2/6/2012 1:56:03 PM, Reasoning wrote:
http://www.youtube.com......

I like the points, but that girl has a problem with over-acting :)

It is generally accepted, throughout our society, that police are here to serve and protect us. It might have something to do with the fact that "to serve and protect" is written on the side of many squad cars. This is completely false, as the girl in the video alludes to in her comment about the Supreme Court decisions. It is absolutely not the duty or obligation in any shape way or form for an officer of the law to protect you or serve you in any way. If it were, I think most of our interactions with police would take a much different form.

The duty of every officer is simple: arrest those who break the law. That's it. If I threaten Reasoning and promise to kill him, I could possibly be hit with an insignificant charge for the threat, but nobody is going to protect him from me. If I provided the exact date and time I was going to do it they might anticipate my action and be there to arrest me, but if you think about it, the charge would be quite minimal unless they let me kill him first (to count as attempted murder, I'd have to do a whole lot more than threaten him and show up). So if they let me kill him then they are quite adept at defending his right not to be killed (by charging me for murder).

Polices job is not to protect rather clean up the mess. US justices ruled police are not constitutionally obligated to protect. http://www.nytimes.com...
They also cannot even get close to protection if they tried even if all 500k of them patrolled.
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com...
Also the motto "protect and serve" in some eyes = they protect & serve the state, not us.
http://www.informationliberation.com...

Fixed
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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4/2/2012 2:08:14 AM
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Maybe the police were waiting for their pizza
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4/2/2012 2:21:12 AM
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At 2/6/2012 1:16:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police. Discuss.

this seems to be true in ny
"I don't even know what that means"
"No one knows what it means but its provocative"
"No it's not, it's..."
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4/2/2012 10:20:51 AM
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At 2/6/2012 1:16:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police. Discuss.

Hm. Which industry do you imagine gets more money?
Vitreous
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4/2/2012 2:33:36 PM
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At 4/2/2012 10:20:51 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 2/6/2012 1:16:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police. Discuss.

Hm. Which industry do you imagine gets more money?

probably pizza
"I don't even know what that means"
"No one knows what it means but its provocative"
"No it's not, it's..."
"It gets the people GOING!!!"
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4/2/2012 3:27:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/6/2012 1:16:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police. Discuss.

What's the average amount of time a pizza delivery man spends when he reaches a destination?

Compare that to a policeman.

Now compare the population of your average city, all of whom request police, to the sub-segments of society which order a delivered good from pizza houses WITHIN a certain distance.

The LAPD covers more ground than the Hollywood Ave PizzaHut.

Where do people get these moronic comparisons?
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4/2/2012 3:35:41 PM
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its not moronic if its true
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4/2/2012 3:42:24 PM
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At 4/2/2012 3:27:43 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 2/6/2012 1:16:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police. Discuss.

What's the average amount of time a pizza delivery man spends when he reaches a destination?

Compare that to a policeman.

Now compare the population of your average city, all of whom request police, to the sub-segments of society which order a delivered good from pizza houses WITHIN a certain distance.

The LAPD covers more ground than the Hollywood Ave PizzaHut.

Where do people get these moronic comparisons?:

If the argument was in favor of gun ownership, or the inherent false sense of security with relying solely on police, I would be in agreement with the OP. Those who rely only on the police are fools, granted. No one cares more about someone's self-interests more than themselves.

But instead he focuses on the fact that the police cannot be everywhere simultaneously (does their lack of total ubiquity nullify the entirety of it?), and then makes ridiculous parallels about a pizza man's time vs the cops. The cops, on average, are about 4-6 times faster than any pizza delivery.
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4/2/2012 4:10:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/2/2012 3:27:43 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 2/6/2012 1:16:16 PM, Reasoning wrote:
We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police. Discuss.

What's the average amount of time a pizza delivery man spends when he reaches a destination?

Compare that to a policeman.

Now compare the population of your average city, all of whom request police, to the sub-segments of society which order a delivered good from pizza houses WITHIN a certain distance.

The LAPD covers more ground than the Hollywood Ave PizzaHut.

Where do people get these moronic comparisons?

You can make excuses for the police, sure. That doesn't change the fact that when danger comes your way, chances are, the police will be a little too far away to be of much help. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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4/2/2012 4:16:06 PM
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You can make excuses for the police, sure. That doesn't change the fact that when danger comes your way, chances are, the police will be a little too far away to be of much help. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.:

So what exactly are you arguing? That we should do away with a police force because it's occasionally inept, or that we should not rely on the police entirely and take up our own defense most of the time, or both?
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4/2/2012 4:20:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/2/2012 4:16:06 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
You can make excuses for the police, sure. That doesn't change the fact that when danger comes your way, chances are, the police will be a little too far away to be of much help. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.:

So what exactly are you arguing? That we should do away with a police force because it's occasionally inept, or that we should not rely on the police entirely and take up our own defense most of the time, or both?

That we should not rely on the police entirely and take precautions to protect ourselves.
"What we really ought to ask the liberal, before we even begin addressing his agenda, is this: In what kind of society would he be a conservative?" - Joseph Sobran
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4/2/2012 4:23:23 PM
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That we should not rely on the police entirely and take precautions to protect ourselves.:

Fair enough, I agree.
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