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Ron-Paul
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2/13/2012 6:56:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Don't we all have a common goal? To oust Obama from office? Isn't that right?

I would like to offer a solution that will work. Can we all rally behind one Republican Candidate (preferably Mitt Romney)? That is the only way we can beat Obama.
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2/13/2012 6:58:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 6:56:57 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
Don't we all have a common goal? To oust Obama from office? Isn't that right?
Yep your goal isn't to help people or improve the state of the nation, your goal is to win elections
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2/13/2012 6:58:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 6:57:44 PM, Koopin wrote:
Mitt cannot and will not beat Obama.

If we can all rally behind him he can. He has a better chance than Gingrich, Santorum, or Paul (unfortunately).
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2/13/2012 6:59:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 6:58:03 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:56:57 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
Don't we all have a common goal? To oust Obama from office? Isn't that right?
Yep your goal isn't to help people or improve the state of the nation, your goal is to win elections

Our goal is to oust Obama and save the country.
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2/13/2012 7:17:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 6:59:12 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:58:03 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:56:57 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
Don't we all have a common goal? To oust Obama from office? Isn't that right?
Yep your goal isn't to help people or improve the state of the nation, your goal is to win elections

Our goal is to oust Obama and save the country.

From what? Yourselves?
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2/13/2012 7:24:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 7:17:08 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:59:12 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:58:03 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:56:57 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
Don't we all have a common goal? To oust Obama from office? Isn't that right?
Yep your goal isn't to help people or improve the state of the nation, your goal is to win elections

Our goal is to oust Obama and save the country.

From what? Yourselves?

From his failed policies that will turn us into an economically socialist country and similar to that of Greece. Oh yeah,..... and the 15 trillion dollar debt....
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2/13/2012 7:30:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This is just the kind of narrow minded crap that gets on my nerves. I don't recall anyone claiming it their superior priority to kick George Bush out of office.

Instead of you trying to oust the president, how about you work with him, negotiate and realize you cannot and will not have a monopoly on the operations of the government, and must concede some of your ideas for the better of the country and for some maturity between the executive and legislative branches.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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2/13/2012 7:33:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 7:24:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 2/13/2012 7:17:08 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:59:12 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:58:03 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/13/2012 6:56:57 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
Don't we all have a common goal? To oust Obama from office? Isn't that right?
Yep your goal isn't to help people or improve the state of the nation, your goal is to win elections

Our goal is to oust Obama and save the country.

From what? Yourselves?

From his failed policies
Such as?
At 2/13/2012 7:24:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
that will turn us into an economically socialist country
Are you talking about the western European countries that have better standards of living then America?
At 2/13/2012 7:24:26 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
and similar to that of Greece. Oh yeah,..... and the 15 trillion dollar debt....
Odd considering Greece is doing right now what republicans advocating doing, slashing spending and reining in deficits.
You didn't really think when you posted...
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2/13/2012 7:43:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 7:30:38 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is just the kind of narrow minded crap that gets on my nerves. I don't recall anyone claiming it their superior priority to kick George Bush out of office.


How easily we forget 8 years ago. Nobody claiming they wanted to kick George Bush out of office? Yea, people were constantly claiming that.
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2/13/2012 7:48:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 7:30:38 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is just the kind of narrow minded crap that gets on my nerves. I don't recall anyone claiming it their superior priority to kick George Bush out of office.

As DK said, it's easy to forget in 3 or so years.

Instead of you trying to oust the president, how about you work with him, negotiate and realize you cannot and will not have a monopoly on the operations of the government, and must concede some of your ideas for the better of the country and for some maturity between the executive and legislative branches.

This. The republic has been lost to battling idealogues. People need to learn how to listen and to compromise. I say we kick everybody out of congress.
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2/13/2012 8:00:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 7:48:54 PM, UnStupendousMan wrote:
At 2/13/2012 7:30:38 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is just the kind of narrow minded crap that gets on my nerves. I don't recall anyone claiming it their superior priority to kick George Bush out of office.

As DK said, it's easy to forget in 3 or so years.

Instead of you trying to oust the president, how about you work with him, negotiate and realize you cannot and will not have a monopoly on the operations of the government, and must concede some of your ideas for the better of the country and for some maturity between the executive and legislative branches.

This. The republic has been lost to battling idealogues. People need to learn how to listen and to compromise. I say we kick everybody out of congress.

Except Ron Paul and Rand Paul and Herb Kohl (and maybe Gwen Moore).
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2/13/2012 8:06:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Here is the way I look at it:

If something isn't done about our economy/entitlement system within 8 years, the country is going to go to sh*t.

Romney isn't going to change anything, really.
Gingrich is just going to prolounge the inevitable.
I hate Rick Santorum.
Ron Paul could fix it.

So if Ron doesn't win, I would vote for Obama. Because then after another 4 years, we could elect a different conservo-libertarian canidate, as opposed to voting for one of the 3 undesirables who are running now or the new democrat canidate.

I'm thinking that if Obama win's, Rand Paul is going to run in 2016.
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2/13/2012 8:16:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Kicking Obama out =/= saving our country. I want him out, but the youth and blacks of this nation are not voting for mitt.
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2/13/2012 8:25:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 8:06:13 PM, LibertyCampbell wrote:
Here is the way I look at it:

If something isn't done about our economy/entitlement system within 8 years, the country is going to go to sh*t.

Romney isn't going to change anything, really.
Gingrich is just going to prolounge the inevitable.
I hate Rick Santorum.
Ron Paul could fix it.

So if Ron doesn't win, I would vote for Obama. Because then after another 4 years, we could elect a different conservo-libertarian canidate, as opposed to voting for one of the 3 undesirables who are running now or the new democrat canidate.

I'm thinking that if Obama win's, Rand Paul is going to run in 2016.

While I support Ron Paul wholeheartedly, as someone said earlier, Ron Paul can do more for helping his cause and starting a movement as a symbol, and through plain influence than being President.

But still, he's the best shot in my eyes.
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2/13/2012 8:54:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Is it kind of funny that 000ike went onto this topic thread, yet it is called a question for Right-Wingers? Oh, now I just did too
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2/13/2012 9:29:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 7:30:38 PM, 000ike wrote:
This is just the kind of narrow minded crap that gets on my nerves. I don't recall anyone claiming it their superior priority to kick George Bush out of office.

Instead of you trying to oust the president, how about you work with him, negotiate and realize you cannot and will not have a monopoly on the operations of the government, and must concede some of your ideas for the better of the country and for some maturity between the executive and legislative branches.

Are you kidding me? You know how many times I heard "Don't vote for McCain he's just another Bush"?

or "I voted for Obama because he's not Bush"

"McCain would be Bush's third term"
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2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.
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2/13/2012 9:40:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Who's a false RP supporter? Moi?
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2/13/2012 9:41:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Or, they aren't crazy conspiracy theorists, and know when to quit following a obviously losing team, and support the person who actually gonna get the candidacy, and not just undermine him.
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2/13/2012 9:43:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Libertarians can be defined as a right-wing ideology. You can make the distinction between left-libertarian and right-libertarian, but most people who define themselves as libertarian are usually right-libertarians. Political compass bases the "right" and "left" side based on economic policy.
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2/13/2012 9:43:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:41:29 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Or, they aren't crazy conspiracy theorists, and know when to quit following a obviously losing team, and support the person who actually gonna get the candidacy, and not just undermine him.

How will Ron Paul win in any election if he can't even win a single primary within his own party?
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2/13/2012 9:43:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:41:29 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Or, they aren't crazy conspiracy theorists, and know when to quit following a obviously losing team, and support the person who actually gonna get the candidacy, and not just undermine him.

But that mentality is so stupid; the strategic mentality of rally around the Not-Obama.

It's counter productive to what a republic society needs as far as mentality goes.
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2/13/2012 9:47:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:43:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:41:29 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Or, they aren't crazy conspiracy theorists, and know when to quit following a obviously losing team, and support the person who actually gonna get the candidacy, and not just undermine him.

But that mentality is so stupid; the strategic mentality of rally around the Not-Obama.

It's counter productive to what a republic society needs as far as mentality goes.

This is why I like Santorum:

He actually talks about ISSUES and has SOLUTIONS to ISSUES.

He's been consistantly above the smearing for the most part and hasn't degrading into preaching "liberty" and "prosperity"... I could say that!
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2/13/2012 9:49:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:43:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:41:29 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Or, they aren't crazy conspiracy theorists, and know when to quit following a obviously losing team, and support the person who actually gonna get the candidacy, and not just undermine him.

But that mentality is so stupid; the strategic mentality of rally around the Not-Obama.

It's counter productive to what a republic society needs as far as mentality goes.

Here is my main reason. I would take any of the current candidates over Obama. Why? Because each and every one has better policies ideas ect.

Not just because they are Not Obama, but because they are superior in my mind in their ideas.
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2/13/2012 9:51:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:49:27 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:43:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:41:29 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Or, they aren't crazy conspiracy theorists, and know when to quit following a obviously losing team, and support the person who actually gonna get the candidacy, and not just undermine him.

But that mentality is so stupid; the strategic mentality of rally around the Not-Obama.

It's counter productive to what a republic society needs as far as mentality goes.

Here is my main reason. I would take any of the current candidates over Obama. Why? Because each and every one has better policies ideas ect.

Not just because they are Not Obama, but because they are superior in my mind in their ideas.

Romney has no f-ing ideals.
Nute Gunray...I dunno what's going on with him.
Santorum is a social conservative, which is bad.
Paul is where it's at! On most of the issues, anyway....
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2/13/2012 10:03:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:51:48 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:49:27 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:43:43 PM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:41:29 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:39:36 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
You are a false Ron Paul supporter. True Ron Paul supporters aren't right-wing or left-wing, they're Libertarian. True Ron Paul supporters know that Romney and Obama are the same.

Or, they aren't crazy conspiracy theorists, and know when to quit following a obviously losing team, and support the person who actually gonna get the candidacy, and not just undermine him.

But that mentality is so stupid; the strategic mentality of rally around the Not-Obama.

It's counter productive to what a republic society needs as far as mentality goes.

Here is my main reason. I would take any of the current candidates over Obama. Why? Because each and every one has better policies ideas ect.

Not just because they are Not Obama, but because they are superior in my mind in their ideas.

Romney has no f-ing ideals.
Nute Gunray...I dunno what's going on with him.
Santorum is a social conservative, which is bad.
Paul is where it's at! On most of the issues, anyway...

@Geo - Libertarianism and Right wing go together naturally. They are practically the same. Minimum government in social+economic lives.

@Ober - Regardless if Ron Paul is losing, that doesn't mean you should vote for the lesser of two evils. And Geo isn't crazy, he's just interesting.

@Detectable - Indeed. If everyone is a conformist, then we'd never get to the bottom of any secular issues inside the republican party.

@Ober - Right. Because it's not like we need more foreign wars. At least Obama is pretending to be Anti-War. The others (cept Paul) actually want to invade and invade.

@Detectable - Pretty much what you said. Except:

Romney is too liberal for me
Gingrich is a moral bigot/hypocrit
Santorum, well, f*ck Rick Santorum.
Ron Paul is awesome. Although I'm more right leaning on some social issues.
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2/13/2012 10:49:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 9:49:27 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Here is my main reason. I would take any of the current candidates over Obama. Why? Because each and every one has better policies ideas ect.

Not just because they are Not Obama, but because they are superior in my mind in their ideas.

Sharing your core values does not make their ideas superior.
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2/13/2012 10:52:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/13/2012 10:49:33 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 2/13/2012 9:49:27 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Here is my main reason. I would take any of the current candidates over Obama. Why? Because each and every one has better policies ideas ect.

Not just because they are Not Obama, but because they are superior in my mind in their ideas.

Sharing your core values does not make their ideas superior.

They are superior in his mind. Not necessarily objectively superior.
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