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2/18/2012 3:33:59 PM
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If you're going to make up a quote of Royal, at least don't make it so obvious you fudged it.
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2/18/2012 3:38:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 3:33:59 PM, 000ike wrote:
If you're going to make up a quote of Royal, at least don't make it so obvious you fudged it.

You didn't seem this concerned about the quotes that people made up about me.
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2/18/2012 3:48:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.




Well, to be fair, Detroit is 80% black and we know that blacks have a very high crime rate. (For example, Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.)[1]

If the city was majority white, the economy and social health of the community would probably be doing significantly better even with he same policies in place.

1 http://www.scribd.com...
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2/18/2012 3:50:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 3:38:06 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:33:59 PM, 000ike wrote:
If you're going to make up a quote of Royal, at least don't make it so obvious you fudged it.

You didn't seem this concerned about the quotes that people made up about me.

Hey! I make up quotes about you. Not people involved in feuds.
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2/18/2012 3:56:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 3:48:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.




Well, to be fair, Detroit is 80% black and we know that blacks have a very high crime rate. (For example, Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.)[1]

If the city was majority white, the economy and social health of the community would probably be doing significantly better even with he same policies in place.

1 http://www.scribd.com...

That is a good point.

In fact, Detroit used to be a wealthy and prosperous city in the 1950s. This was back when Detroit was over 80% white.

Now, Detroit is over 80% black and we can see the results. Of course, bad economic and social policies played a huge role as well.
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2/18/2012 4:54:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 3:56:09 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:48:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.




Well, to be fair, Detroit is 80% black and we know that blacks have a very high crime rate. (For example, Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.)[1]

If the city was majority white, the economy and social health of the community would probably be doing significantly better even with he same policies in place.

1 http://www.scribd.com...


That is a good point.

In fact, Detroit used to be a wealthy and prosperous city in the 1950s. This was back when Detroit was over 80% white.

Now, Detroit is over 80% black and we can see the results. Of course, bad economic and social policies played a huge role as well.

Are you really this dumb? Any human who isn't mentally challenged, has the mental faculties needed to live successfully in human societies. Your simplistic and ignorant views relating to cognitive ability and the brain are insulting to anyone who studies cognitive science.
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2/18/2012 5:01:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 4:54:45 PM, Brain_crazy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:56:09 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:48:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.




Well, to be fair, Detroit is 80% black and we know that blacks have a very high crime rate. (For example, Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.)[1]

If the city was majority white, the economy and social health of the community would probably be doing significantly better even with he same policies in place.

1 http://www.scribd.com...


That is a good point.

In fact, Detroit used to be a wealthy and prosperous city in the 1950s. This was back when Detroit was over 80% white.

Now, Detroit is over 80% black and we can see the results. Of course, bad economic and social policies played a huge role as well.

Are you really this dumb? Any human who isn't mentally challenged, has the mental faculties needed to live successfully in human societies. Your simplistic and ignorant views relating to cognitive ability and the brain are insulting to anyone who studies cognitive science.

lol this.
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2/18/2012 5:08:37 PM
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At 2/18/2012 3:48:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.




Well, to be fair, Detroit is 80% black and we know that blacks have a very high crime rate. (For example, Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.)[1]

If the city was majority white, the economy and social health of the community would probably be doing significantly better even with he same policies in place.

1 http://www.scribd.com...:

You have to be the most ideologically inconsistent member on DDO, who's opinions shift like the wind. You're a serial flip-flopper. Are you a right-leaning libertarian? Are you a left-leaning libertarian? Are you an anarchist? Are you a socialist? Are you a white supremacist? Are you a fascist?

Don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question, because by next week you'll jump on some other bandwagon.
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2/18/2012 5:16:40 PM
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At 2/18/2012 5:08:37 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:48:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.




Well, to be fair, Detroit is 80% black and we know that blacks have a very high crime rate. (For example, Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.)[1]

If the city was majority white, the economy and social health of the community would probably be doing significantly better even with he same policies in place.

1 http://www.scribd.com...:

You have to be the most ideologically inconsistent member on DDO, who's opinions shift like the wind. You're a serial flip-flopper. Are you a right-leaning libertarian? Are you a left-leaning libertarian? Are you an anarchist? Are you a socialist? Are you a white supremacist? Are you a fascist?

Don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question, because by next week you'll jump on some other bandwagon.

I don't think my positions have changed much at all since joining DDO. How is recognizing statistical facts about race inconsistent with any of my other positions?
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2/18/2012 5:19:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 5:16:40 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:08:37 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:48:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.




Well, to be fair, Detroit is 80% black and we know that blacks have a very high crime rate. (For example, Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.)[1]

If the city was majority white, the economy and social health of the community would probably be doing significantly better even with he same policies in place.

1 http://www.scribd.com...:

You have to be the most ideologically inconsistent member on DDO, who's opinions shift like the wind. You're a serial flip-flopper. Are you a right-leaning libertarian? Are you a left-leaning libertarian? Are you an anarchist? Are you a socialist? Are you a white supremacist? Are you a fascist?

Don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question, because by next week you'll jump on some other bandwagon.

I don't think my positions have changed much at all since joining DDO. How is recognizing statistical facts about race inconsistent with any of my other positions?

They think it is racist, and sadly those stats are true, blacks are more likely to live in poverty.
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2/18/2012 5:29:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Haven't you noticed how that tends to backfire on you?
Also; JT, I'm with you on the social and economic policies causing poverty - but race? Naw man.
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2/18/2012 5:34:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 5:29:35 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Haven't you noticed how that tends to backfire on you?
Also; JT, I'm with you on the social and economic policies causing poverty - but race? Naw man.

So you're denying that certain races are more predisposed to criminality than other races?
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2/18/2012 5:43:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 5:29:35 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Haven't you noticed how that tends to backfire on you?
Also; JT, I'm with you on the social and economic policies causing poverty - but race? Naw man.
What I do notice is that you were unable to name a single policy. Is it because you are ignorant? Partisan? Stupid? or what?
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2/18/2012 5:50:17 PM
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At 2/18/2012 5:43:08 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:29:35 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Haven't you noticed how that tends to backfire on you?
Also; JT, I'm with you on the social and economic policies causing poverty - but race? Naw man.
What I do notice is that you were unable to name a single policy. Is it because you are ignorant? Partisan? Stupid? or what?

http://mises.org...
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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2/18/2012 5:50:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 5:50:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:43:08 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:29:35 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Haven't you noticed how that tends to backfire on you?
Also; JT, I'm with you on the social and economic policies causing poverty - but race? Naw man.
What I do notice is that you were unable to name a single policy. Is it because you are ignorant? Partisan? Stupid? or what?

http://mises.org...
^ There's multiple
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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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2/18/2012 5:53:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 5:43:08 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:29:35 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Haven't you noticed how that tends to backfire on you?
Also; JT, I'm with you on the social and economic policies causing poverty - but race? Naw man.
What I do notice is that you were unable to name a single policy. Is it because you are ignorant? Partisan? Stupid? or what?

Well i don't wana get involved in the partisanship of this discussion, but I can point to at least one generalized social policy...

Detroit has elected a Democrat mayor since 1962.. That's now 7 straight Dem mayors.. That doesn't seem to be helping.. Though a republican Mayor would obviously be unlikely at this point.. but it couldn't harm Detroit any more than it is.
(The last republican mayor was convicted of tax evasion though, 1957-62)

That said, there are some really nice suburbs outside of Detroit.
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2/18/2012 5:55:07 PM
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Reasoning I don't challenge your statistics. I challenge your very narrow interpretations of them. You bring full meaning to the quote "lies, damned lies, and statistics."

For instance, would you challenge the notion that if whites were enslaved and brought to Africa, and made their way up through discrimination for centuries, that we wouldn't exhibit some of these same disqualities? Or are you just flat-out saying that black people are genetically inferior?
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2/18/2012 5:56:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 5:50:41 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:50:17 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:43:08 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:29:35 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Haven't you noticed how that tends to backfire on you?
Also; JT, I'm with you on the social and economic policies causing poverty - but race? Naw man.
What I do notice is that you were unable to name a single policy. Is it because you are ignorant? Partisan? Stupid? or what?

http://mises.org...
^ There's multiple
When you actually read the article (something you didn't do) you'd notice not one example of a "Liberal" policy that has caused Detroit to be poorer
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2/18/2012 6:02:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 5:43:08 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:29:35 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Haven't you noticed how that tends to backfire on you?
Also; JT, I'm with you on the social and economic policies causing poverty - but race? Naw man.
What I do notice is that you were unable to name a single policy. Is it because you are ignorant? Partisan? Stupid? or what?

Actually I'm British and uninvolved (I didn't make the original assertion). I just was pointing out that everytime you've done that in the past they have been able to name names.
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2/18/2012 6:04:03 PM
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At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Anti poverty programs, powerful unions, high taxes, far too many services, regulations, need I go on...
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2/18/2012 6:06:48 PM
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At 2/18/2012 6:04:03 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Anti poverty programs, powerful unions, high taxes, far too many services, regulations, need I go on...

I'll actually agree with Thaddeus, starcraftzzz, asking them to name stuff their just going to pull irrelevant policies out of their @$$es and assert them like they actually cause poverty.... noticeably each lacking a justification or reason.
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2/18/2012 6:09:06 PM
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At 2/18/2012 6:06:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/18/2012 6:04:03 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Anti poverty programs, powerful unions, high taxes, far too many services, regulations, need I go on...

I'll actually agree with Thaddeus, starcraftzzz, asking them to name stuff their just going to pull irrelevant policies out of their @$$es and assert them like they actually cause poverty.... noticeably each lacking a justification or reason.

So if it's not genetic and it's not due to economic policy, then what the fvck caused the sh!thole that is Detroit? Magic?
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2/18/2012 6:14:01 PM
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So if it's not genetic and it's not due to economic policy, then what the fvck caused the sh!thole that is Detroit? Magic?:

Unions and outsourcing. I'm sure it would suit some personal agenda of yours to blame it on black people, but honestly, the black population in Detroit was massive from the 1930's to the 1990's, long before the bottom fell out.

As for why the black population is markedly higher now is because of something called "White Flight," and gentrification in general.
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2/18/2012 6:35:27 PM
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At 2/18/2012 6:09:06 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 6:06:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/18/2012 6:04:03 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Anti poverty programs, powerful unions, high taxes, far too many services, regulations, need I go on...

I'll actually agree with Thaddeus, starcraftzzz, asking them to name stuff their just going to pull irrelevant policies out of their @$$es and assert them like they actually cause poverty.... noticeably each lacking a justification or reason.

So if it's not genetic and it's not due to economic policy, then what the fvck caused the sh!thole that is Detroit? Magic?

This.
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2/18/2012 6:37:16 PM
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At 2/18/2012 5:55:07 PM, Lasagna wrote:
Reasoning I don't challenge your statistics. I challenge your very narrow interpretations of them. You bring full meaning to the quote "lies, damned lies, and statistics."

For instance, would you challenge the notion that if whites were enslaved and brought to Africa, and made their way up through discrimination for centuries, that we wouldn't exhibit some of these same disqualities? Or are you just flat-out saying that black people are genetically inferior?

Black people aren't just genetically inferior. That's ridiculous. Look at the NBA, for instance. It's dominated by black people because black people are genetically predisposed to be good at many characteristics useful in basketball. But there are other things that blacks are genetically predisposed to be worse at.

For example, here are some statistics from the college board on the difference between black and white scores on the SAT: http://www.jbhe.com...

You'll see that regardless of income, whites score higher than blacks. Even blacks from families that make over $200,000, which is a very small percentage of black families, barely score higher than white from families that make under $20,000.
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2/18/2012 6:38:41 PM
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At 2/18/2012 5:08:37 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:48:50 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.




Well, to be fair, Detroit is 80% black and we know that blacks have a very high crime rate. (For example, Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.)[1]

If the city was majority white, the economy and social health of the community would probably be doing significantly better even with he same policies in place.

1 http://www.scribd.com...:

You have to be the most ideologically inconsistent member on DDO, who's opinions shift like the wind. You're a serial flip-flopper. Are you a right-leaning libertarian? Are you a left-leaning libertarian? Are you an anarchist? Are you a socialist? Are you a white supremacist? Are you a fascist?

Don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question, because by next week you'll jump on some other bandwagon.

Hey! I resent that! That's MY title!
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2/18/2012 6:52:13 PM
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At 2/18/2012 6:09:06 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 6:06:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/18/2012 6:04:03 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Anti poverty programs, powerful unions, high taxes, far too many services, regulations, need I go on...

I'll actually agree with Thaddeus, starcraftzzz, asking them to name stuff their just going to pull irrelevant policies out of their @$$es and assert them like they actually cause poverty.... noticeably each lacking a justification or reason.

So if it's not genetic and it's not due to economic policy, then what the fvck caused the sh!thole that is Detroit? Magic?
It is because they based their whole economy on the auto sector.
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2/18/2012 6:58:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/18/2012 6:52:13 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 6:09:06 PM, Reasoning wrote:
At 2/18/2012 6:06:48 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/18/2012 6:04:03 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/18/2012 5:25:48 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/18/2012 3:30:05 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Progressive social and economic policies in action.
Name one

Anti poverty programs, powerful unions, high taxes, far too many services, regulations, need I go on...

I'll actually agree with Thaddeus, starcraftzzz, asking them to name stuff their just going to pull irrelevant policies out of their @$$es and assert them like they actually cause poverty.... noticeably each lacking a justification or reason.

So if it's not genetic and it's not due to economic policy, then what the fvck caused the sh!thole that is Detroit? Magic?
It is because they based their whole economy on the auto sector.

Really?

How exactly does that lead to a city going from one of the most prosperous places in the world to the place featured in the video above?
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