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sadolite
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2/18/2012 11:10:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Are there still people on this site that will say "That will never happen" when it comes to govt. Or also use the the "slippery slope won't happen either".

Have not all of you seen enough from govt to know that it will happen and that the slippery slope is a vertical cliff?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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2/19/2012 6:18:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
It can't happen here.

Whoooo could imagine, that'd they'd freak out on DDO?
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2/19/2012 8:44:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 2:49:13 AM, Volkov wrote:
You do know what the "slippery slope" fallacy is, correct?

Ya, give them an inch and they will take a mile. In this case pass on piece of legislation and it will open pandora's box over time. But now it's pandora's box right now. (Vertical Cliff). Some people still think if you give govt an inch they will be happy with that and wont try to expand their original legislation.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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2/20/2012 1:47:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 2:49:13 AM, Volkov wrote:
You do know what the "slippery slope" fallacy is, correct?

It's only a fallacy when you're not dealing with human beings.
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2/20/2012 2:03:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
This gives me hope. Now I am assured that someday there will be a free unicorn for every American. Except for Phillip. Screw that guy.
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2/20/2012 9:15:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 2:49:13 AM, Volkov wrote:
You do know what the "slippery slope" fallacy is, correct?

It's an informal fallacy that happens on a case by case. SSM for example actually has the polygamy problem, see Europe. A formal fallacy never happens, as this is informal it just depends on the case. So the cold war theory "domino effect" was a failure as small countries fell, large ones didn't. It's a case by case situation.
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2/20/2012 10:23:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 9:15:46 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 2:49:13 AM, Volkov wrote:
You do know what the "slippery slope" fallacy is, correct?

It's an informal fallacy that happens on a case by case. SSM for example actually has the polygamy problem, see Europe. A formal fallacy never happens, as this is informal it just depends on the case. So the cold war theory "domino effect" was a failure as small countries fell, large ones didn't. It's a case by case situation.

Why is polygamy a problem? I thought part of libertarian phylosophy was that the government just shouldn't be involved in regulating private relationships.
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2/20/2012 10:26:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 10:23:40 AM, Mimshot wrote:
At 2/20/2012 9:15:46 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 2:49:13 AM, Volkov wrote:
You do know what the "slippery slope" fallacy is, correct?

It's an informal fallacy that happens on a case by case. SSM for example actually has the polygamy problem, see Europe. A formal fallacy never happens, as this is informal it just depends on the case. So the cold war theory "domino effect" was a failure as small countries fell, large ones didn't. It's a case by case situation.

Why is polygamy a problem? I thought part of libertarian phylosophy was that the government just shouldn't be involved in regulating private relationships.

You have got to be kidding me. Polygamy is on par with homosexuality and is highly detrimental to society.
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2/20/2012 11:17:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 10:26:09 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 2/20/2012 10:23:40 AM, Mimshot wrote:
At 2/20/2012 9:15:46 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 2:49:13 AM, Volkov wrote:
You do know what the "slippery slope" fallacy is, correct?

It's an informal fallacy that happens on a case by case. SSM for example actually has the polygamy problem, see Europe. A formal fallacy never happens, as this is informal it just depends on the case. So the cold war theory "domino effect" was a failure as small countries fell, large ones didn't. It's a case by case situation.

Why is polygamy a problem? I thought part of libertarian philosophy was that the government just shouldn't be involved in regulating private relationships.

You have got to be kidding me. Polygamy is on par with homosexuality and is highly detrimental to society.

I was asking how you square that belief with the idea of a small government that doesn't interfere with people's lives.
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2/20/2012 11:21:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 11:17:06 AM, Mimshot wrote:
At 2/20/2012 10:26:09 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 2/20/2012 10:23:40 AM, Mimshot wrote:
At 2/20/2012 9:15:46 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 2:49:13 AM, Volkov wrote:
You do know what the "slippery slope" fallacy is, correct?

It's an informal fallacy that happens on a case by case. SSM for example actually has the polygamy problem, see Europe. A formal fallacy never happens, as this is informal it just depends on the case. So the cold war theory "domino effect" was a failure as small countries fell, large ones didn't. It's a case by case situation.

Why is polygamy a problem? I thought part of libertarian philosophy was that the government just shouldn't be involved in regulating private relationships.

You have got to be kidding me. Polygamy is on par with homosexuality and is highly detrimental to society.

I was asking how you square that belief with the idea of a small government that doesn't interfere with people's lives.

All conservatives favor a large social goverment, but a smaller economic one.

reason against polygamy:

1. women in these cultures are always treated poorly.
2. The men will not be able to fund all of the men + children. (assuming many of the women do not work)
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2/20/2012 11:32:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
You have got to be kidding me. Polygamy is on par with homosexuality and is highly detrimental to society.

I was asking how you square that belief with the idea of a small government that doesn't interfere with people's lives.

All conservatives favor a large social government, but a smaller economic one.

reason against polygamy:

1. women in these cultures are always treated poorly.
2. The men will not be able to fund all of the men + children. (assuming many of the women do not work)
rest go here: http://clearcutblogging.blogspot.com...

"All conservatives" is rather strong. Traditional Republicans in the U.S. favor less civil liberties and more economic liberties, but supposedly Libertarians (again in the U.S. sense) favor both. If you want to be a very right wing traditional Republican, then fine, I can respect that, but I think you lose the moral authority to claim to be caring about "freedoms" when discussing economic policy.

Authoritarianism with markets is quite different from what I thought you supported.
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2/20/2012 11:35:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 11:32:52 AM, Mimshot wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. Polygamy is on par with homosexuality and is highly detrimental to society.

I was asking how you square that belief with the idea of a small government that doesn't interfere with people's lives.

All conservatives favor a large social government, but a smaller economic one.

reason against polygamy:

1. women in these cultures are always treated poorly.
2. The men will not be able to fund all of the men + children. (assuming many of the women do not work)
rest go here: http://clearcutblogging.blogspot.com...

"All conservatives" is rather strong. Traditional Republicans in the U.S. favor less civil liberties and more economic liberties, but supposedly Libertarians (again in the U.S. sense) favor both. If you want to be a very right wing traditional Republican, then fine, I can respect that, but I think you lose the moral authority to claim to be caring about "freedoms" when discussing economic policy.

Authoritarianism with markets is quite different from what I thought you supported.

I am against certain moral behaviors, I am actually not always for banning them, but am against them. I am not a libertarian as you have stated, as I align with most very right wing people that certain social laws should be implemented. (SSM, abortion etc). So in the sense I am in fact a social authoritarian and a supply side markets guy.
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2/20/2012 11:44:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 2:49:13 AM, Volkov wrote:
You do know what the "slippery slope" fallacy is, correct?

It's a fallacy because all slopes are slippery, not because none are slippery. Vigilance is required forever.
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2/20/2012 11:49:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am against certain moral behaviors, I am actually not always for banning them, but am against them. I am not a libertarian as you have stated, as I align with most very right wing people that certain social laws should be implemented. (SSM, abortion etc). So in the sense I am in fact a social authoritarian and a supply side markets guy.

Ok, my apologies for misrepresenting you.

We should do supply/demand side policies sometime.
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2/20/2012 11:54:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 11:49:42 AM, Mimshot wrote:
I am against certain moral behaviors, I am actually not always for banning them, but am against them. I am not a libertarian as you have stated, as I align with most very right wing people that certain social laws should be implemented. (SSM, abortion etc). So in the sense I am in fact a social authoritarian and a supply side markets guy.

Ok, my apologies for misrepresenting you.

We should do supply/demand side policies sometime.

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https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross