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ConservativePolitico
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2/19/2012 11:28:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.

This is the definition of classical liberalism. The original liberals.

Now, I saw someone get on someone else for posting on their profile that they were a liberal and he said the alleged liberal was "misleading" people because he takes liberal to mean "progressive socialist" like most of America does today.

Now, this is the original and real definition of liberal. I just wanted to remind people of this fact.
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2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---
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2/19/2012 11:40:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

Classical Liberalism =/= Libertarianism
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2/19/2012 11:40:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Definitions change. Just because liberal meant something 200 years ago it doesn't mean the word means the same today.
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2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"
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2/19/2012 11:43:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"

Also, Libertarians have too abide by the Non-agression axiom and Classical Libs don't.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ~ John 1:1

Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
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2/19/2012 11:56:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:40:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

Classical Liberalism =/= Libertarianism

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You argue that you do not have to be non-aggression... FALSE I am conservative but am pro flag burning.
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2/19/2012 11:58:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:43:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"

Also, Libertarians have too abide by the Non-agression axiom and Classical Libs don't.

ideology does not force in law that you have to follow one rule. I bet there are aggression libertarians...
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
"A trend is a trend, but the question is, will it bend? Will it alter its course through some unforeseen force and come to a premature end?" -- Alec Cairncross
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2/20/2012 12:01:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:58:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:43:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"

Also, Libertarians have too abide by the Non-agression axiom and Classical Libs don't.

ideology does not force in law that you have to follow one rule. I bet there are aggression libertarians...

Name one!
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ~ John 1:1

Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
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2/20/2012 12:01:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:58:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:43:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"

Also, Libertarians have too abide by the Non-agression axiom and Classical Libs don't.

ideology does not force in law that you have to follow one rule. I bet there are aggression libertarians...

Name one! :P
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." ~ John 1:1

Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
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2/20/2012 12:02:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:40:07 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Definitions change. Just because liberal meant something 200 years ago it doesn't mean the word means the same today.

True.

Plus, many progressives/ social liberals are not "progressive socialists". Some of us may believe in Socialism, but the majority of us believe in Capitalism that produces broad prosperity instead of "free" markets.
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2/20/2012 12:04:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:56:29 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

Classical Liberalism =/= Libertarianism

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You argue that you do not have to be non-aggression... FALSE I am conservative but am pro flag burning.

That's because Its pretected under constituion, and libertarians dont have to be constitutionalists when Classical libs do
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2/20/2012 12:06:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 12:01:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:58:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:43:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"

Also, Libertarians have too abide by the Non-agression axiom and Classical Libs don't.

ideology does not force in law that you have to follow one rule. I bet there are aggression libertarians...

Name one!

DetectableNinja, myself, askbob (old member), and Innomen. Generally it's more convenient to use libertarian to avoid confusion.
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2/20/2012 12:07:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 12:02:28 AM, Contra wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:07 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Definitions change. Just because liberal meant something 200 years ago it doesn't mean the word means the same today.

True.

Plus, many progressives/ social liberals are not "progressive socialists". Some of us may believe in Socialism, but the majority of us believe in Capitalism that produces broad prosperity instead of "free" markets.

Look at the differences in Classical Liberal and Libertarian definitions. They are different. Libertarianism was influenced by Classical Liberalism but the 2 are still different.
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Matthew 10:22- "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
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2/20/2012 12:08:25 AM
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The difference between the two is better understood by comparing the philosophies of Rawls and Nozick. The liberal conception of equality includes distributive justice vis-a-vis econimic inequality, whereas libertarians believe that economic inequalities are just as long as they arise from voluntary exchange.
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2/20/2012 12:08:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 12:07:09 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:02:28 AM, Contra wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:07 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
Definitions change. Just because liberal meant something 200 years ago it doesn't mean the word means the same today.

True.

Plus, many progressives/ social liberals are not "progressive socialists". Some of us may believe in Socialism, but the majority of us believe in Capitalism that produces broad prosperity instead of "free" markets.

Look at the differences in Classical Liberal and Libertarian definitions. They are different. Libertarianism was influenced by Classical Liberalism but the 2 are still different.

The main differences being:

1) Classical Liberals are bound by the Constitution while Libertarians are not (technically, this doesn't mean they don't treasure the Constitution but in the definition it is not required).

2) The difference in the way the two view the function of government
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2/20/2012 12:08:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 12:01:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:58:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:43:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"

Also, Libertarians have too abide by the Non-agression axiom and Classical Libs don't.

ideology does not force in law that you have to follow one rule. I bet there are aggression libertarians...

Name one!

No ideology forces 1 issue, but to classify you must fit into an overall view point. I fit in very well conservatively, except on flag burning where I argue the 1st amendment. No ideology harks on you over one issue, unless its like the main issue of the day or you are a politician.
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2/20/2012 12:09:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 12:06:17 AM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:01:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:58:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:43:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

--- end of thread ---

I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"

Also, Libertarians have too abide by the Non-agression axiom and Classical Libs don't.

ideology does not force in law that you have to follow one rule. I bet there are aggression libertarians...

Name one!

DetectableNinja, myself, askbob (old member), and Innomen. Generally it's more convenient to use libertarian to avoid confusion.

Ok.. and I know who askbob is lol
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2/20/2012 12:10:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/19/2012 11:28:12 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.

This is the definition of classical liberalism. The original liberals.

Now, I saw someone get on someone else for posting on their profile that they were a liberal and he said the alleged liberal was "misleading" people because he takes liberal to mean "progressive socialist" like most of America does today.

Now, this is the original and real definition of liberal. I just wanted to remind people of this fact.

Should we consider the "original and real" conservatives as the ones in support of monarchies and aristocracies?
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2/20/2012 12:13:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 12:10:08 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:28:12 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.

This is the definition of classical liberalism. The original liberals.

Now, I saw someone get on someone else for posting on their profile that they were a liberal and he said the alleged liberal was "misleading" people because he takes liberal to mean "progressive socialist" like most of America does today.

Now, this is the original and real definition of liberal. I just wanted to remind people of this fact.

Should we consider the "original and real" conservatives as the ones in support of monarchies and aristocracies?

No, the point was, if someone were today to put "liberal" as their political affiliation and explained they mean classical liberal then it would technically be correct.

By the way, liberalism and classical liberalism are two different things.

Notice the word classical...
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2/20/2012 12:13:34 AM
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At 2/20/2012 12:08:52 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:01:23 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:58:07 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:43:04 PM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:40:26 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:33:36 PM, 000ike wrote:
Looks like someone's a creeper....

No, Deathbeforedishonor said that he is a classical liberal, but not a libertarian...and I told him they are synonymous,...but he insisted on putting "liberal" as his ideology anyway. Conservativepolitico is simplifying the conversation, rather poorly I should add.

Liberal, as an option on this website refers to social liberal, Libertarian refers to classical liberal. If he is a classical liberal, then he should label himself as a Libertarian, not a "liberal."

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I'm not a creeper, I saw on the feed that you two were commenting back and forth and decided to see why.

Anyways, no liberalism and libertarianism are different.

Libertarian philosophies can be divided on three principal questions: whether the morality of actions are determined consequentially or deontologically, whether or not private property is legitimate, and whether or not the state is legitimate.

This is different from classical liberalism. While similar they are not "synonymous"

Also, Libertarians have too abide by the Non-agression axiom and Classical Libs don't.

ideology does not force in law that you have to follow one rule. I bet there are aggression libertarians...

Name one!

No ideology forces 1 issue, but to classify you must fit into an overall view point. I fit in very well conservatively, except on flag burning where I argue the 1st amendment. No ideology harks on you over one issue, unless its like the main issue of the day or you are a politician.

Yes that is it. A general viewpoint of government and how to govern is needed. For example, conservatives believe in enforcing morals and strict-father conservatism as a model of government. Progressives believe in personal freedom and nurturant governing with responsibility, protections, and broad prosperity. Libertarians usually want minimal government. Authoritarians usually are hardcore conservatives on the role of morals in society being enforced by government.
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2/20/2012 12:15:44 AM
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"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

This is libertarianism.

"Libertarianism has been variously defined by sources. It is generally used to describe political philosophies which emphasize freedom, individual liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with small or no government power."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Sound the same...
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2/20/2012 12:15:45 AM
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At 2/20/2012 12:13:18 AM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:10:08 AM, Wnope wrote:
At 2/19/2012 11:28:12 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets.

This is the definition of classical liberalism. The original liberals.

Now, I saw someone get on someone else for posting on their profile that they were a liberal and he said the alleged liberal was "misleading" people because he takes liberal to mean "progressive socialist" like most of America does today.

Now, this is the original and real definition of liberal. I just wanted to remind people of this fact.

Should we consider the "original and real" conservatives as the ones in support of monarchies and aristocracies?

No, the point was, if someone were today to put "liberal" as their political affiliation and explained they mean classical liberal then it would technically be correct.

By the way, liberalism and classical liberalism are two different things.

Notice the word classical...

Modern Liberalism is the correct term :P
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2/20/2012 12:18:14 AM
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At 2/20/2012 12:15:44 AM, 16kadams wrote:
"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

This is libertarianism.

"Libertarianism has been variously defined by sources. It is generally used to describe political philosophies which emphasize freedom, individual liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with small or no government power."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Sound the same...
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2/20/2012 12:22:33 AM
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At 2/20/2012 12:18:14 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:15:44 AM, 16kadams wrote:
"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

This is libertarianism.

"Libertarianism has been variously defined by sources. It is generally used to describe political philosophies which emphasize freedom, individual liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with small or no government power."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Sound the same...

Subtle but present differences.
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2/20/2012 12:23:45 AM
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At 2/20/2012 12:18:14 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:15:44 AM, 16kadams wrote:
"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

This is libertarianism.

"Libertarianism has been variously defined by sources. It is generally used to describe political philosophies which emphasize freedom, individual liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with small or no government power."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Sound the same...

I win
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2/20/2012 12:25:00 AM
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"Libertarianism has been used in modern times as a substitute for the phrase "neo-classical liberalism", leading to some confusion. The identification of libertarianism with neo-classical liberalism primarily occurs in the United States"
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its all the same
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2/20/2012 12:28:27 AM
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At 2/20/2012 12:23:45 AM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:18:14 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:15:44 AM, 16kadams wrote:
"Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

This is libertarianism.

"Libertarianism has been variously defined by sources. It is generally used to describe political philosophies which emphasize freedom, individual liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with small or no government power."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Sound the same...

I win

Nope there is more to it. Look at the difference between the Libertarian party and the ideals of Jefferson and Robespierre. There is a big difference. Just because they both advocate individual liberty does not mae them the same. Progressivism and socialism are similar but still very different the same with these two ideologies.
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2/20/2012 12:29:20 AM
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At 2/20/2012 12:25:00 AM, 16kadams wrote:
"Libertarianism has been used in modern times as a substitute for the phrase "neo-classical liberalism", leading to some confusion. The identification of libertarianism with neo-classical liberalism primarily occurs in the United States"
http://en.wikipedia.org...

its all the same

I am not neo-classical liberal.
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2/20/2012 12:35:43 AM
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At 2/20/2012 12:29:20 AM, Deathbeforedishonour wrote:
At 2/20/2012 12:25:00 AM, 16kadams wrote:
"Libertarianism has been used in modern times as a substitute for the phrase "neo-classical liberalism", leading to some confusion. The identification of libertarianism with neo-classical liberalism primarily occurs in the United States"
http://en.wikipedia.org...

its all the same

I am not neo-classical liberal.

what type are you then?
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