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The solution to cronyism

Nougatrocity
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2/20/2012 11:40:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Jerk. You got my hopes up thinking we'd finally solved it.

Ah well. Your question could imply that you either think cronyism is left-specific or that there is an ultra-right solution that already exists. Is either correct?
Greyparrot
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2/21/2012 1:21:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 11:40:52 PM, Nougatrocity wrote:
Jerk. You got my hopes up thinking we'd finally solved it.

Ah well. Your question could imply that you either think cronyism is left-specific or that there is an ultra-right solution that already exists. Is either correct?

The only thing my OP could possibly imply is that ultra-lefties may not even see it as that big of a problem.
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2/21/2012 1:54:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The non-left-wing solution is obvious-- disempower the government in regard to the economy and there's no forest to hide the foul weed of cronyism.
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2/21/2012 2:06:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 1:54:47 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The non-left-wing solution is obvious-- disempower the government in regard to the economy and there's no forest to hide the foul weed of cronyism.

I am much more interested in the left solution Rags.
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2/21/2012 2:20:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 2:06:14 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/21/2012 1:54:47 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The non-left-wing solution is obvious-- disempower the government in regard to the economy and there's no forest to hide the foul weed of cronyism.

I am much more interested in the left solution Rags.

I was aiming that more toward Nougat.
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Nougatrocity
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2/21/2012 2:33:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 1:21:14 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
The only thing my OP could possibly imply is that ultra-lefties may not even see it as that big of a problem.
How does being politically left have anything to do with thinking cronyism is not problematic?
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2/21/2012 2:41:12 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Practice a policy of good regulation. A democracy can create good regulations so long as everyone in democracy reads the regulation, which is usually only about a 1000 pages long and understand the economics behind it and effects it will have on incentives, and the market. This should be find, since most members of society have a strong understanding of economics.

Croynism solved.
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2/21/2012 3:18:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 2:41:12 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Practice a policy of good regulation. A democracy can create good regulations so long as everyone in democracy reads the regulation, which is usually only about a 1000 pages long and understand the economics behind it and effects it will have on incentives, and the market. This should be find, since most members of society have a strong understanding of economics.

Croynism solved.

Ugggh! I don't want to hear any right-wing solutions please, or left-wing dodgeballs...
I simply want to hear the left-wing solutions please.
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2/21/2012 6:14:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 3:18:02 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/21/2012 2:41:12 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Practice a policy of good regulation. A democracy can create good regulations so long as everyone in democracy reads the regulation, which is usually only about a 1000 pages long and understand the economics behind it and effects it will have on incentives, and the market. This should be find, since most members of society have a strong understanding of economics.

Croynism solved.

Ugggh! I don't want to hear any right-wing solutions please, or left-wing dodgeballs...
I simply want to hear the left-wing solutions please.

Obama will make a tsar for it....

you know.. he'll watch out for it and they'll use executive orders to stop suspected people...

Problem solved.

Or you could make another commission to deal with it... or Both! :)
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2/21/2012 12:06:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am part of the Communist party of Great Britain, Marxist Lennenist, the people you will call ultra-lefties. What i think about cronyism is that when you hav a belief or a view, it tends to stick in the family. And sometimes close reletives can be easier to trust for things like running a country or leading a party. However, if i had a brother who was going to become a leader after me, but another comrade new much more about the whole topic, i would appoint the comrade who new and was dedicated the most. You cant just say cronyism is a lefty thing, the Royal family do it and their far right!
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2/21/2012 12:37:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 12:06:59 PM, austinoclavanski123 wrote:
I am part of the Communist party of Great Britain, Marxist Lennenist, the people you will call ultra-lefties. What i think about cronyism is that when you hav a belief or a view, it tends to stick in the family. And sometimes close reletives can be easier to trust for things like running a country or leading a party. However, if i had a brother who was going to become a leader after me, but another comrade new much more about the whole topic, i would appoint the comrade who new and was dedicated the most. You cant just say cronyism is a lefty thing, the Royal family do it and their far right!

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2/21/2012 6:16:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 12:06:59 PM, austinoclavanski123 wrote:
I am part of the Communist party of Great Britain, Marxist Lennenist, the people you will call ultra-lefties. What i think about cronyism is that when you hav a belief or a view, it tends to stick in the family. And sometimes close reletives can be easier to trust for things like running a country or leading a party. However, if i had a brother who was going to become a leader after me, but another comrade new much more about the whole topic, i would appoint the comrade who new and was dedicated the most. You cant just say cronyism is a lefty thing, the Royal family do it and their far right!

The royal family are the symbolic rulers of a country with universal health care and don't so much as complain about it. They are not "Far right," especially in the context of this website.
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2/21/2012 6:22:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The left wing solution to corporate cronyism is simply extreme regulation. They want to completely regulate companies so that every single thing that they do, the government has to approve of first.
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2/21/2012 7:03:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 6:22:47 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
The left wing solution to corporate cronyism is simply extreme regulation. They want to completely regulate companies so that every single thing that they do, the government has to approve of first.

How extreme...dictatorship?
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2/21/2012 7:14:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 7:03:11 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/21/2012 6:22:47 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
The left wing solution to corporate cronyism is simply extreme regulation. They want to completely regulate companies so that every single thing that they do, the government has to approve of first.

How extreme...dictatorship?

The left is all about government intervention in the economy.
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2/22/2012 1:02:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/20/2012 11:30:27 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
I'd like to hear from some of the ultra lefties here what they think the solution to this is. Please?

The solution to "crony capitalism"? Well, certainly the only thoroughgoing and true solution would be a fundamental shift away from the capitalist socioeconomic paradigm in favor of an authentically democratic and equalitarian form of economics and social existence. The inconvenient truth that free-marketarians don't wish to confront is that capitalism innately and inexorably lends itself to "cronyism", which entails both the subversion of the so-called "free market" and the democratic process, as it's a system in which capitalists inherently overaccumulate capital, i.e. wealth and the politico-economic power that it confers, and inherently exploit said power to secure for themselves an unfairly advantageous position vis-à-vis government. The only sure way to prevent the co–optation of government and the political process by capitalists is by totally abolishing capitalism and the capitalist class. The half measure of merely abolishing the state, as an-caps advocate, won't do the trick at all, for alpha capitalists will always arise and will always find a way to utilize their corruptive money-power to set themselves up in the catbird seat, even if they have to reinvent and restore government in some new guise.
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2/22/2012 1:14:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/21/2012 2:41:12 AM, darkkermit wrote:
Practice a policy of good regulation. A democracy can create good regulations so long as everyone in democracy reads the regulation, which is usually only about a 1000 pages long and understand the economics behind it and effects it will have on incentives, and the market. This should be find, since most members of society have a strong understanding of economics.

Croynism solved.

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2/22/2012 7:00:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 1:02:33 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 2/20/2012 11:30:27 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
I'd like to hear from some of the ultra lefties here what they think the solution to this is. Please?

The solution to "crony capitalism"? Well, certainly the only thoroughgoing and true solution would be a fundamental shift away from the capitalist socioeconomic paradigm in favor of an authentically democratic and equalitarian form of economics and social existence. The inconvenient truth that free-marketarians don't wish to confront is that capitalism innately and inexorably lends itself to "cronyism", which entails both the subversion of the so-called "free market" and the democratic process, as it's a system in which capitalists inherently overaccumulate capital, i.e. wealth and the politico-economic power that it confers, and inherently exploit said power to secure for themselves an unfairly advantageous position vis-à-vis government. The only sure way to prevent the co–optation of government and the political process by capitalists is by totally abolishing capitalism and the capitalist class. The half measure of merely abolishing the state, as an-caps advocate, won't do the trick at all, for alpha capitalists will always arise and will always find a way to utilize their corruptive money-power to set themselves up in the catbird seat, even if they have to reinvent and restore government in some new guise.

Very informative, ty Charles.
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2/22/2012 7:55:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/22/2012 1:02:33 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 2/20/2012 11:30:27 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
I'd like to hear from some of the ultra lefties here what they think the solution to this is. Please?

The solution to "crony capitalism"? Well, certainly the only thoroughgoing and true solution would be a fundamental shift away from the capitalist socioeconomic paradigm in favor of an authentically democratic and equalitarian form of economics and social existence. The inconvenient truth that free-marketarians don't wish to confront is that capitalism innately and inexorably lends itself to "cronyism", which entails both the subversion of the so-called "free market" and the democratic process, as it's a system in which capitalists inherently overaccumulate capital, i.e. wealth and the politico-economic power that it confers, and inherently exploit said power to secure for themselves an unfairly advantageous position vis-à-vis government. The only sure way to prevent the co–optation of government and the political process by capitalists is by totally abolishing capitalism and the capitalist class. The half measure of merely abolishing the state, as an-caps advocate, won't do the trick at all, for alpha capitalists will always arise and will always find a way to utilize their corruptive money-power to set themselves up in the catbird seat, even if they have to reinvent and restore government in some new guise.

In less capitalist countries cronyism is worse.

Take a look at Egypt. No property rights enforcement, have to bribe a policeman every three steps to walk.
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2/24/2012 7:13:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 3:30:35 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/22/2012 7:57:47 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Just wait.

for?

It's his "solution."
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