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Danielle
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6/20/2009 8:14:55 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Why do you think most educated people vote Democrat?

The results of Education State Rankings according to Morgan Quinto's report (www.statestats.com/edrank.htm) together with the predominant political party on each state according to www.electoral-vote.com is as follows:

1. Vermont - Democrat
2. Massachusetts - Democrat
3. Connecticut - Democrat
4. New Jersey - Democrat
5. Maine - Democrat
6. Virginia - Democrat
7. Montana - Republican
8. Wisconsin - Democrat
9. Iowa - Democrat
10. Pennsylvania - Democrat
11. Nebraska - Republican
12. New Hampshire - Democrat
13. Minnesota - Democrat
14. Rhode Island - Democrat
15. Kansas - Republican
16. New York - Democrat
17. South Dakota - Republican
18. Maryland - Democrat
19. Wyoming - Republican
20. Idaho - Republican

Only 6/20 are Republican states. Not to mention the fact that more people who have earned PhD's vote Democrat over Republican or other political parties. Thoughts?
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6/20/2009 8:29:55 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
From the textbook (paraphrasing):
People in North Korea lack many basic rights.
People in South Korea enjoy many personal freedoms.
Yay...
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6/20/2009 8:33:10 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
It also told us that The United States "helped" open Japan to foreign trade by sending in warships and threatening Japan until they gave up on their isolationist policy.
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6/20/2009 8:36:46 PM
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But that's only history.

I feel indoctrinated in every class except math.
-Science=Green Party Propaganda
-English=Communist and Pacifist Propaganda (though to a much lesser degree)
-History=Anti-Confederacy and Pro-Lincoln Propaganda, along with other areas

It goes on endlessly.
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mongeese
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6/20/2009 8:39:23 PM
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I doubt that Physical Education and Spanish would have propaganda.

English just teaches how Orwell wrote a satire against Communism.
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6/20/2009 8:50:55 PM
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At 6/20/2009 8:39:23 PM, mongeese wrote:
I doubt that Physical Education and Spanish would have propaganda.

English just teaches how Orwell wrote a satire against Communism.

Physical education --> fascism

Read Mein Kampf, it makes physical fitness key to society's success.
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6/20/2009 8:55:41 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/20/2009 8:29:55 PM, mongeese wrote:
From the textbook (paraphrasing):
People in North Korea lack many basic rights.
People in South Korea enjoy many personal freedoms.
Yay...

Because a graduate education is totally the same as some textbook.
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6/20/2009 8:56:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/20/2009 8:26:46 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Education=Indoctrination

Have you been to school lately at all?

Why is it that those who are indoctrinated are indoctrinated into being Democrats, and not into being Republicans?
Danielle
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6/20/2009 9:09:46 PM
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You would think that one with a PhD level of education would be smart enough to expand their horizons and come up with their own conclusions, instead of just believing what their biased teachers told them.
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6/20/2009 9:13:44 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/20/2009 9:09:46 PM, theLwerd wrote:
You would think that one with a PhD level of education would be smart enough to expand their horizons and come up with their own conclusions, instead of just believing what their biased teachers told them.

But the level of leftist indoctrination is so intense that it infiltrates the most coveted levels of the subconscious.
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6/20/2009 9:34:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/20/2009 9:13:44 PM, MTGandP wrote:
At 6/20/2009 9:09:46 PM, theLwerd wrote:
You would think that one with a PhD level of education would be smart enough to expand their horizons and come up with their own conclusions, instead of just believing what their biased teachers told them.

But the level of leftist indoctrination is so intense that it infiltrates the most coveted levels of the subconscious.

Yeah, I agree -- but I think it comes from everywhere -- not just democrats. A staple of Christianity is indoctrination, or, as I call it, "Jedi mind tricks."

As for schools, I think we all know in some way or another that there's indoctrination going on. They try to make it sound nicer by calling it "socialization."
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6/20/2009 10:29:40 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/20/2009 8:36:46 PM, wjmelements wrote:
But that's only history.

I feel indoctrinated in every class except math.
-Science=Green Party Propaganda
-English=Communist and Pacifist Propaganda (though to a much lesser degree)
-History=Anti-Confederacy and Pro-Lincoln Propaganda, along with other areas

It goes on endlessly.

You are making the mistake of equating high school with education at the university level and beyond. At the university you are encouraged to think independently and reach your own conclusions. I can't say that I found the same thing in high school (one of the major reasons for education reform, IMO).
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6/20/2009 11:20:34 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/20/2009 8:56:36 PM, MTGandP wrote:
At 6/20/2009 8:26:46 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Education=Indoctrination

Have you been to school lately at all?

Why is it that those who are indoctrinated are indoctrinated into being Democrats, and not into being Republicans?

http://www.washingtonpost.com...
Because the teachers are Democrats?

You are making the mistake of equating high school with education at the university level and beyond. At the university you are encouraged to think independently and reach your own conclusions.
Community college not university here, but so far that hasn't been my experience at all, college pressures to conform with the teacher are much stronger, teachers are pushier, textbooks jump to conclusions quickier...

And the data seem to suggest that important universities should be even worse, at least if the sheer preponderance of liberal professors has anything to do with it, which seems to be the case.
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6/20/2009 11:35:11 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At the university you are encouraged to think independently and reach your own conclusions.

Not. Many professors at my school were liberal democrats and it was abundantly clear by how and what they taught. Though thinking independently and challenging the teacher's opinions was accepted, it was certainly not encouraged (at least most of the time).

Also, don't the majority of high school dropouts vote democrat?
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6/21/2009 7:12:25 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Though I'm agreeing with my sworn, mortal enemies that my school told me were also dumb and hairy (kind of like Neandertals), there is a certain level of indoctrination. But it is a little ignorant to say that it is the Democrats that have done this, or even the Republicans.

History, for instance, is written by the winners. We all know this. Clearly you're going to see skewering of the actual historical truth by the US, and you'll even see it by Japan. This is what happens. What did you really expect? There is no one version of historical truth - there is many, depending upon which side you were on.

Science is one area were I agree there is a lot of indoctrination through environmentalists. To say it is the Green Party (wjm) is a little clueless. But outside of that, science is relatively unbiased - the chemicals don't change composition, and the forces of the universe don't suddenly collapse. Neandertals are still Neandertals, not "misformed humans".

English I wouldn't say is too biased. Let us remember that even if it is, it always has been. Like History, you're not going to get one true perspective of English - you'll get many, depending where you are.

I'm not sure there is any way you can escape that. I don't see how you could. Even if schools were privately run, the people that do run the school will put their slant on the curriculum.

One of the main points though, is that there is a plethora of different texts available for any student to look at. This isn't the age where you had only the one source of information - the government-provided textbook. These days you have that, you have privately-provided textbooks, you have the internet, you have a huge intellectual scene, you have many open libraries filled with thousands of differing views - the list goes on. To say that everyone will be indoctrinated with the current slant that the government decides to put into education is ignorant of every other source of information currently available.
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6/21/2009 7:37:54 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Before I start at UF I have to read a book called "The Devil's Highway". (http://www.amazon.com...)

The story is interesting, but there's no doubt that it's heavily biased in favor of illegals and less strict immigration laws.
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6/21/2009 7:40:43 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/21/2009 7:37:54 AM, s0m31john wrote:
Before I start at UF I have to read a book called "The Devil's Highway". (http://www.amazon.com...)

The story is interesting, but there's no doubt that it's heavily biased in favor of illegals and less strict immigration laws.

Yes, but what is the point in reading it. Are you supposed to critique the book, or are you supposed to read it and protest against ICE?
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6/21/2009 8:10:06 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/20/2009 8:36:46 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I feel indoctrinated in every class except math.

Inflation, Taxes...
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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6/21/2009 8:14:48 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/21/2009 8:10:06 AM, mongoose wrote:
At 6/20/2009 8:36:46 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I feel indoctrinated in every class except math.

Inflation, Taxes...

We aren't taught any values in math class. It's completely objective. They make up interest rates and taxes. Although, we might see an increase in coming years...
wjmelements
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6/21/2009 8:57:14 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/21/2009 8:14:48 AM, mongeese wrote:
At 6/21/2009 8:10:06 AM, mongoose wrote:
At 6/20/2009 8:36:46 PM, wjmelements wrote:
I feel indoctrinated in every class except math.

Inflation, Taxes...

We aren't taught any values in math class. It's completely objective. They make up interest rates and taxes. Although, we might see an increase in coming years...

However, in standardized testing, the little problems are obviously attempting to make us reach a desired conclusion?

And in like 4th grade, the benchmark we did had this PRO-swamp conservation article about some woman who "saved" South Florida for future generations by not letting man ever set foot there again.
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mongoose
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6/21/2009 8:59:54 AM
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Seriously? Worse than I thought...
It is odd when one's capacity for compassion is measured not in what he is willing to do by his own time, effort, and property, but what he will force others to do with their own property instead.
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6/21/2009 9:18:34 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/21/2009 9:02:08 AM, mongeese wrote:
You can remember a benchmark from 4th grade?

That's the only story I remember from that benchmark though.
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Danielle
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6/21/2009 11:06:10 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 6/21/2009 5:52:38 AM, mongeese wrote:
There was that one college professor who required an essay from his students pointing out two flaws of Sarah Palin...

http://cbs4denver.com...

So what? Just two seems ridiculously easy; easy A's ftw. Not.

Seriously though, we can point out "flaws" of any/every politician. What's your point?
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Danielle
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6/21/2009 11:08:54 AM
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At 6/21/2009 7:37:54 AM, s0m31john wrote:
Before I start at UF I have to read a book called "The Devil's Highway". (http://www.amazon.com...)

The story is interesting, but there's no doubt that it's heavily biased in favor of illegals and less strict immigration laws.

So? Nobody is forcing you to agree with what you read. Plus, how do you know that your teacher's intention is not to make you disagree with it and tear the book's arguments to shreds? I thought that education was about learning processes and coming to your own conclusions, especially at the university level like JBlake said. You're entitled to your own opinion; if you find flaws with the work then you are allowed and probably even encouraged to disagree (so long as your argument is "respectful" or whatever).
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6/21/2009 11:28:06 AM
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Btw, about the data resulting from the start of the thread... seriously? It's most important factor is amount of money invested in schools? And then class size, number of special ed teachers per student (i.e., how LITTLE the school focuses on the highly intelligent comparatively will help it in the rankings), The "Percent of school-age children enrolled in public schools."

Yeah, that can't be a biased study, lol. No wonder the top state is the one that elected an openly socialist congressman :)
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6/21/2009 11:41:55 AM
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According to a Senior Policy Advisor of the U.S. Department of Education, the education system is brainwash. (Fast forward to 7:30)
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