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2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Barack Obama is the most anti worker president in the history of the United States. Consider the following things:

1.) He passed a massive Health Care bill that is 2,700 pages long. This bill involves numerous new taxes, mandates, regulations, and complexities that makes it harder for businesses to hire new workers and invest in new equipment and higher wages.

2.) He has pursued an anti energy policy by stopping the Keystone pipeline and stopping further production of fossil fuels. This has already led to higher gas prices that hurts American workers.

3.) He has pushed for new carpon caps in his cap and trade legislation that would increase the cost of living dramatically for workers by forcing them to switch to more expensive "green" energy or by paying for much more expensive fossil fuels.

4.) He has overseen a massive increase in regulations and complexities that make it harder for businesses to hire and raise wages.

5.) He has massively increased the size of the national debt. This will lead to future tax increases and much more uncertainty that hurts workers.

6.) He has overseen a huge increase in the monetary supply that will lead to an increase in prices that hurts workers.

7.) He has pursued and passed tax increases on small businesses and investors that makes less capital available for these businesses to reinvest in new workers and higher wages.

8.) He has put labor bosses and other labor stooges above workers. This will lead to less freedom for workers and lower incomes.

9.) He has pushed for amnesty for illegal immigrants that will lower wages, degrade schools, suck out resources, and force multiculturalism on American workers.

10.) He has practiced crony capitalism in giving special breaks to favorited industries. This leads to the wasting of taxpayer dollars on industries that could not make it on a free market.

11.) He has fought education choice in a number of ways which keeps workers from being able to choose the best schools for their children.

12.) He has created a huge amount of economic uncertainty that have kept the economic recovery much slower than it needed to be which has hurt workers.

13.) He has had an all out assault of the Religious and moral values that form the basis of America. This has resulted in an assault on the culture that many American workers hold dear.

14.) He has failed to adequatley defend the United States. A strong defense is very important to defending all Americans.

This has been the most anti worker president in history.
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2/24/2012 8:30:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
1.) He passed a massive Health Care bill that is 2,700 pages long. This bill involves numerous new taxes, mandates, regulations,
Only a fool objects to a bill because of the length of it. Also please explain who you oppose regulations making it so insurance companies can drop your coverage when you get sick, cap your benefits, and discriminate against you. Also health care laws passed by Obama will make health care less expensive meaning businesses can hire more people because they won't have to waste as much money on health care
http://voices.washingtonpost.com...
Second his health care Laws when fully implemented (2019) will create 250,000 jobs per year.
http://www.americanprogress.org...

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
and complexities that makes it harder for businesses to hire new workers and invest in new equipment and higher wages.[/quote]
Name 3.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
2.) He has pursued an anti energy policy by stopping the Keystone pipeline and stopping further production of fossil fuels. This has already led to higher gas prices that hurts American workers.
How does not approving a pipeline that would have a negative impact on the economy and jobs via increased pollution and oil spills a bad thing? I see it as a bad thing for oil companies but not for Americans
http://thinkprogress.org...
Obama has invested billions into increasing energy efficacy and clean energy production. Also he increase MPG standards to 35 which will save 61 billion a year and create 250,00o jobs in 20120

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
3.) He has pushed for new carpon caps in his cap and trade legislation that would increase the cost of living dramatically for workers by forcing them to
Cap and trade never passed. So basally you are making crap up
But just to make the point cap and trade would of saved the economy billions of dollars and create thousands of jobs.
For example in the northwest they have a cap and trade program which creates 3 dollars in benefits for every dollar spent and has created tens of thousands of jobs
http://thinkprogress.org...
http://switchboard.nrdc.org...

http://thinkprogress.org...
^A Carbon cap and trade legislation if passed would create around 1.7 million jobs

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.americanprogress.org...
^--A cap and trade system was set up to eliminate acid rain.
^The health/destruction benefits of the program save a net of 60billon a year.
^Costs of regulations were exaggerated estimates for Acid and rain cap and trade said that the costs would be between 2-4 billion when in reality it was 800 million or 60-120% less.

Cap and trade Waxman bill would meet the 2020 emissions target while lowering the nation's energy bill by 700 billion (over the decade). It would do this through energy conservation measures, such as insulation, and florescent light bulbs. Would also create over 2 million jobs.
^http://climateprogress.org...

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
^study concludes cap and trade bill would create 1.5 trillion in net economic benefits.
For every dollar used would create around 9 dollars in benefits in health and environmental effects.
^In a ten year period cap and trade would create over a net of 2.2 trillion dollars in benefits.

http://www.edf.org...
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org...
^Cap and trade would create a surplus of jobs. Would create around 2 million jobs. Clean energy production, and energy efficiency (wind, solar, weatherization) creates three times the jobs for Americans than oil/coal.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
switch to more expensive "green" energy or by paying for much more expensive fossil fuels.
Not only does green/clean Energy create 3 times more jobs than fossil fuels but when you include health and environmental effects it costs twice as less
http://thinkprogress.org...
^Another study finds that coal mining in Kentucky has a negative impact overall on the economy

http://thinkprogress.org...
^New study finds that Coal and Oil are more costly then renewable energy once health and environmental effects are included.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^New study fines that Coals negative effect on human health and the environmental cost the nation at least 125% more than the electricity generated from coal.
^Coal results in at least 30,000 American deaths each year.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.reuters.com...
^Coals negative impact on health and the environment is estimated to cost the united states over 400 billion dollars yearly.

http://www.sourcewatch.org...
^Total amount of money generated and spent on coal plants exceeded 500 billion in 2005.
^Meaning health care and environmental costs if added to the cost of coal would increase costs by over 80%.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^Green energy creates more than 3 times more jobs than fossil fuel energy.
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2/24/2012 8:35:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:30:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
1.) He passed a massive Health Care bill that is 2,700 pages long. This bill involves numerous new taxes, mandates, regulations,
Only a fool objects to a bill because of the length of it. Also please explain who you oppose regulations making it so insurance companies can drop your coverage when you get sick, cap your benefits, and discriminate against you. Also health care laws passed by Obama will make health care less expensive meaning businesses can hire more people because they won't have to waste as much money on health care
http://voices.washingtonpost.com...
Second his health care Laws when fully implemented (2019) will create 250,000 jobs per year.
http://www.americanprogress.org...

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
and complexities that makes it harder for businesses to hire new workers and invest in new equipment and higher wages.[/quote]
Name 3.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
2.) He has pursued an anti energy policy by stopping the Keystone pipeline and stopping further production of fossil fuels. This has already led to higher gas prices that hurts American workers.
How does not approving a pipeline that would have a negative impact on the economy and jobs via increased pollution and oil spills a bad thing? I see it as a bad thing for oil companies but not for Americans
http://thinkprogress.org...
Obama has invested billions into increasing energy efficacy and clean energy production. Also he increase MPG standards to 35 which will save 61 billion a year and create 250,00o jobs in 20120


At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
3.) He has pushed for new carpon caps in his cap and trade legislation that would increase the cost of living dramatically for workers by forcing them to
Cap and trade never passed. So basally you are making crap up
But just to make the point cap and trade would of saved the economy billions of dollars and create thousands of jobs.
For example in the northwest they have a cap and trade program which creates 3 dollars in benefits for every dollar spent and has created tens of thousands of jobs
http://thinkprogress.org...
http://switchboard.nrdc.org...

http://thinkprogress.org...
^A Carbon cap and trade legislation if passed would create around 1.7 million jobs

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.americanprogress.org...
^--A cap and trade system was set up to eliminate acid rain.
^The health/destruction benefits of the program save a net of 60billon a year.
^Costs of regulations were exaggerated estimates for Acid and rain cap and trade said that the costs would be between 2-4 billion when in reality it was 800 million or 60-120% less.

Cap and trade Waxman bill would meet the 2020 emissions target while lowering the nation's energy bill by 700 billion (over the decade). It would do this through energy conservation measures, such as insulation, and florescent light bulbs. Would also create over 2 million jobs.
^http://climateprogress.org...


http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
^study concludes cap and trade bill would create 1.5 trillion in net economic benefits.
For every dollar used would create around 9 dollars in benefits in health and environmental effects.
^In a ten year period cap and trade would create over a net of 2.2 trillion dollars in benefits.

http://www.edf.org...
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org...
^Cap and trade would create a surplus of jobs. Would create around 2 million jobs. Clean energy production, and energy efficiency (wind, solar, weatherization) creates three times the jobs for Americans than oil/coal.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
switch to more expensive "green" energy or by paying for much more expensive fossil fuels.
Not only does green/clean Energy create 3 times more jobs than fossil fuels but when you include health and environmental effects it costs twice as less
http://thinkprogress.org...
^Another study finds that coal mining in Kentucky has a negative impact overall on the economy

http://thinkprogress.org...
^New study finds that Coal and Oil are more costly then renewable energy once health and environmental effects are included.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^New study fines that Coals negative effect on human health and the environmental cost the nation at least 125% more than the electricity generated from coal.
^Coal results in at least 30,000 American deaths each year.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.reuters.com...
^Coals negative impact on health and the environment is estimated to cost the united states over 400 billion dollars yearly.

http://www.sourcewatch.org...
^Total amount of money generated and spent on coal plants exceeded 500 billion in 2005.
^Meaning health care and environmental costs if added to the cost of coal would increase costs by over 80%.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^Green energy creates more than 3 times more jobs than fossil fuel energy.

I think this guy has a perfect response to this:
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2/24/2012 8:44:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:35:20 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:30:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
1.) He passed a massive Health Care bill that is 2,700 pages long. This bill involves numerous new taxes, mandates, regulations,
Only a fool objects to a bill because of the length of it. Also please explain who you oppose regulations making it so insurance companies can drop your coverage when you get sick, cap your benefits, and discriminate against you. Also health care laws passed by Obama will make health care less expensive meaning businesses can hire more people because they won't have to waste as much money on health care
http://voices.washingtonpost.com...
Second his health care Laws when fully implemented (2019) will create 250,000 jobs per year.
http://www.americanprogress.org...

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
and complexities that makes it harder for businesses to hire new workers and invest in new equipment and higher wages.[/quote]
Name 3.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
2.) He has pursued an anti energy policy by stopping the Keystone pipeline and stopping further production of fossil fuels. This has already led to higher gas prices that hurts American workers.
How does not approving a pipeline that would have a negative impact on the economy and jobs via increased pollution and oil spills a bad thing? I see it as a bad thing for oil companies but not for Americans
http://thinkprogress.org...
Obama has invested billions into increasing energy efficacy and clean energy production. Also he increase MPG standards to 35 which will save 61 billion a year and create 250,00o jobs in 20120


At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
3.) He has pushed for new carpon caps in his cap and trade legislation that would increase the cost of living dramatically for workers by forcing them to
Cap and trade never passed. So basally you are making crap up
But just to make the point cap and trade would of saved the economy billions of dollars and create thousands of jobs.
For example in the northwest they have a cap and trade program which creates 3 dollars in benefits for every dollar spent and has created tens of thousands of jobs
http://thinkprogress.org...
http://switchboard.nrdc.org...

http://thinkprogress.org...
^A Carbon cap and trade legislation if passed would create around 1.7 million jobs

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.americanprogress.org...
^--A cap and trade system was set up to eliminate acid rain.
^The health/destruction benefits of the program save a net of 60billon a year.
^Costs of regulations were exaggerated estimates for Acid and rain cap and trade said that the costs would be between 2-4 billion when in reality it was 800 million or 60-120% less.

Cap and trade Waxman bill would meet the 2020 emissions target while lowering the nation's energy bill by 700 billion (over the decade). It would do this through energy conservation measures, such as insulation, and florescent light bulbs. Would also create over 2 million jobs.
^http://climateprogress.org...


http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
^study concludes cap and trade bill would create 1.5 trillion in net economic benefits.
For every dollar used would create around 9 dollars in benefits in health and environmental effects.
^In a ten year period cap and trade would create over a net of 2.2 trillion dollars in benefits.

http://www.edf.org...
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org...
^Cap and trade would create a surplus of jobs. Would create around 2 million jobs. Clean energy production, and energy efficiency (wind, solar, weatherization) creates three times the jobs for Americans than oil/coal.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
switch to more expensive "green" energy or by paying for much more expensive fossil fuels.
Not only does green/clean Energy create 3 times more jobs than fossil fuels but when you include health and environmental effects it costs twice as less
http://thinkprogress.org...
^Another study finds that coal mining in Kentucky has a negative impact overall on the economy

http://thinkprogress.org...
^New study finds that Coal and Oil are more costly then renewable energy once health and environmental effects are included.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^New study fines that Coals negative effect on human health and the environmental cost the nation at least 125% more than the electricity generated from coal.
^Coal results in at least 30,000 American deaths each year.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.reuters.com...
^Coals negative impact on health and the environment is estimated to cost the united states over 400 billion dollars yearly.

http://www.sourcewatch.org...
^Total amount of money generated and spent on coal plants exceeded 500 billion in 2005.
^Meaning health care and environmental costs if added to the cost of coal would increase costs by over 80%.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^Green energy creates more than 3 times more jobs than fossil fuel energy.


I think this guy has a perfect response to this:




He may have bad arguments and bad sources, but your comeback is bad Jim. Good vid though.
https://www.youtube.com...
https://rekonomics.wordpress.com...
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2/24/2012 8:46:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
4.) He has overseen a massive increase in regulations and complexities that make it harder for businesses to hire and raise wages.
Do you mean these regulations?
http://thinkprogress.org...
^New EPA regulations under Obama have a 4-1 to 22-1 benefit cost ration.
^Two new air quality rules made by the EPA will create 1.5 million jobs over the course of 5 years.
http://thinkprogress.org...
^EPA rules requiring a 25% reduction in pollution in the Chesapeake Bay has so far created 40 thousand jobs

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...
The new food safety modernization act of 2010, expands the FDA by 1.4 billion, and gives the FDA and other food safety agencies more regulatory power. These two things will help save 3,000 lives and a 50 billion dollars each year.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^EPA mercury reducing regulations save 50-130billion yearly

http://www.ogj.com...
^EPA regulations limiting benzene content in gasoline will save 5 billion a year by 2030.

http://www.corporatewellness.com...
^New OSHA regulations/standards designed to protect workers from injuries caused by repetitive motions will help prevent over 400,000 injuries a year; and will result in savings of a net 9 billion annually after the first few years.

http://www.swmosafety.com...
^^New OSHA regulation limiting Crystalline Silica levels in working conditions to help prevent at most 7,000 cases a year,
^New OSHA regulations updating fall and slip safety estimated to save 20 lives each year and prevent 3,500 injuries, saving over 130 million dollars a year.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
5.) He has massively increased the size of the national debt. This will lead to future tax increases and much more uncertainty that hurts workers.
Of which only 10% is because of Obama polices
http://voices.washingtonpost.com...
Increased debt does not mean more taxes, all that needs to take place is economic growth which will slowly reduce the debt/GDP ratio
Also Obama policies will reduce the long term deficit by 2 trillion dollars
http://www.democraticleader.gov...

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
6.) He has overseen a huge increase in the monetary supply that will lead to an increase in prices that hurts workers.
Only a partisan hack would blame Obama for something the FED did starting in 2008.
Second hacks like yourself have been warning us about inflation for 4 years now, yet the opposite keeps happening. Third the FED can shrink the money supply whenever it wants in order to deal with out of control inflation. Only an economic illiterate like yourself thinks we should suffer a large recession a more unemployment in order to deal with a problem that is not real (IE inflation)

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
7.) He has pursued and passed tax increases on small businesses and investors that makes less capital available for these businesses to reinvest in new workers and higher wages.
Actually no so far Obama has on a net cut taxes significantly. He has implemented some pigvorian taxes (taxes which expand the economy) and taxes on millionaires. I'm not surprised that you would lie

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
8.) He has put labor bosses and other labor stooges above workers. This will lead to less freedom for workers and lower incomes.
Name one example

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
9.) He has pushed for amnesty for illegal immigrants that will lower wages, degrade schools, suck out resources, and force multiculturalism on American workers.
In reality (IE something you know nothing about) immigrants contribute to the economy and pay more taxes then benefits.

http://www.washingtonpost.com...
^A study actually finds that immigration reduces the native poverty rate this finding reflects other findings that immigration actually benefits poorer/all citizens

http://news.yahoo.com...
^Alabama's anti-immigration law cost the state 11 billion dollars or 6% of its GDP

http://thinkprogress.org...
^Legalizing immigrants would add 1.5 trillion to GDP in ten years due to higher wages and spending. It would also create 1 million jobs. Deporting illegal immigrants would reduce GDP by 2.6 trillion over ten years (not including the cost of deportation).

http://www.reason.org...
Illegal immigrants contribute a net 80,000 dollars in taxes over their lifetime. Meaning the 12 million illegal immigrants currently in America will contribute 1 trillion more dollars in taxes than they receive in benefits. Illegal immigrants still pay all state/local taxes (including sales and property) while paying some income taxes (some are paid under the table). Since illegal immigrants enter the country during their working years they do not cost the government in education costs. Also sine illegal immigrants are legally unable to get SS, Medicare or other social benefits they do not cost the government any money in those matters.

Also under Obama deportation of immigrants has skyrocketed
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com...
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2/24/2012 8:48:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:44:58 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:35:20 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:30:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
1.) He passed a massive Health Care bill that is 2,700 pages long. This bill involves numerous new taxes, mandates, regulations,
Only a fool objects to a bill because of the length of it. Also please explain who you oppose regulations making it so insurance companies can drop your coverage when you get sick, cap your benefits, and discriminate against you. Also health care laws passed by Obama will make health care less expensive meaning businesses can hire more people because they won't have to waste as much money on health care
http://voices.washingtonpost.com...
Second his health care Laws when fully implemented (2019) will create 250,000 jobs per year.
http://www.americanprogress.org...

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
and complexities that makes it harder for businesses to hire new workers and invest in new equipment and higher wages.[/quote]
Name 3.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
2.) He has pursued an anti energy policy by stopping the Keystone pipeline and stopping further production of fossil fuels. This has already led to higher gas prices that hurts American workers.
How does not approving a pipeline that would have a negative impact on the economy and jobs via increased pollution and oil spills a bad thing? I see it as a bad thing for oil companies but not for Americans
http://thinkprogress.org...
Obama has invested billions into increasing energy efficacy and clean energy production. Also he increase MPG standards to 35 which will save 61 billion a year and create 250,00o jobs in 20120


At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
3.) He has pushed for new carpon caps in his cap and trade legislation that would increase the cost of living dramatically for workers by forcing them to
Cap and trade never passed. So basally you are making crap up
But just to make the point cap and trade would of saved the economy billions of dollars and create thousands of jobs.
For example in the northwest they have a cap and trade program which creates 3 dollars in benefits for every dollar spent and has created tens of thousands of jobs
http://thinkprogress.org...
http://switchboard.nrdc.org...

http://thinkprogress.org...
^A Carbon cap and trade legislation if passed would create around 1.7 million jobs

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.americanprogress.org...
^--A cap and trade system was set up to eliminate acid rain.
^The health/destruction benefits of the program save a net of 60billon a year.
^Costs of regulations were exaggerated estimates for Acid and rain cap and trade said that the costs would be between 2-4 billion when in reality it was 800 million or 60-120% less.

Cap and trade Waxman bill would meet the 2020 emissions target while lowering the nation's energy bill by 700 billion (over the decade). It would do this through energy conservation measures, such as insulation, and florescent light bulbs. Would also create over 2 million jobs.
^http://climateprogress.org...


http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
^study concludes cap and trade bill would create 1.5 trillion in net economic benefits.
For every dollar used would create around 9 dollars in benefits in health and environmental effects.
^In a ten year period cap and trade would create over a net of 2.2 trillion dollars in benefits.

http://www.edf.org...
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org...
^Cap and trade would create a surplus of jobs. Would create around 2 million jobs. Clean energy production, and energy efficiency (wind, solar, weatherization) creates three times the jobs for Americans than oil/coal.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
switch to more expensive "green" energy or by paying for much more expensive fossil fuels.
Not only does green/clean Energy create 3 times more jobs than fossil fuels but when you include health and environmental effects it costs twice as less
http://thinkprogress.org...
^Another study finds that coal mining in Kentucky has a negative impact overall on the economy

http://thinkprogress.org...
^New study finds that Coal and Oil are more costly then renewable energy once health and environmental effects are included.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^New study fines that Coals negative effect on human health and the environmental cost the nation at least 125% more than the electricity generated from coal.
^Coal results in at least 30,000 American deaths each year.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org...
http://www.reuters.com...
^Coals negative impact on health and the environment is estimated to cost the united states over 400 billion dollars yearly.

http://www.sourcewatch.org...
^Total amount of money generated and spent on coal plants exceeded 500 billion in 2005.
^Meaning health care and environmental costs if added to the cost of coal would increase costs by over 80%.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^Green energy creates more than 3 times more jobs than fossil fuel energy.


I think this guy has a perfect response to this:




He may have bad arguments and bad sources, but your comeback is bad Jim. Good vid though.

I normally don't do that. But, Starcraftzz literally just makes obviously wrong claims about government regulation lowering costs and links to like 20 articles from left wing think tanks.

There is no point in responding to that nonsense, so I might as well have a little fun.
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2/24/2012 8:53:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
10.) He has practiced crony capitalism in giving special breaks to favorited industries. This leads to the wasting of taxpayer dollars on industries that could not make it on a free market.
Are you talking about the auto bailout of which half has been repaid and it saved 1.5million jobs?

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
11.) He has fought education choice in a number of ways which keeps workers from being able to choose the best schools for their children.
So far Obama has expanding early education funding which creates 4-10 dollars in benefits for every dollar spent.
He also removed wasteful subsidies to banks, which allowed him to increase higher education spending by 70billion dollars without increasing total spending.
He also implemented a "race to the top" which gave money to states whom made reforms to their education systems.

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
12.) He has created a huge amount of economic uncertainty that have kept the economic recovery much slower than it needed to be which has hurt workers.
How? The only uncertainly that has been created was when the GOP refused to increase the debt limit and shut down the government. You blaming Obama for republican actions is highly dishonest

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
13.) He has had an all out assault of the Religious and moral values that form the basis of America. This has resulted in an assault on the culture that many American workers hold dear.
Only a partisan hack with no brain thinks making it so your health insurance covers preventative health care and birth control is an "attack on religion"
Not to mention those actions will make people healthier and save money

At 2/24/2012 8:13:34 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
14.) He has failed to adequatley defend the United States. A strong defense is very important to defending all Americans.
Only a partisan hack thinks killing more Al-Qaeda leaders in 1 year then Bush did in 6 years and killing Bin Laden, and attacking Al-Qaeda in Pakistan is failing to defend America.
http://www.trackforum.com...
http://thinkprogress.org...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...

Come back when you have a clue (IE never)
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2/24/2012 8:56:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:48:40 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

I normally don't do that. But, Starcraftzz literally just makes obviously wrong claims about government regulation lowering costs and links to like 20 articles from left wing think tanks.

There is no point in responding to that nonsense, so I might as well have a little fun.

There is No point in responding because every time you do you get owned and post pure ignorance. You make dozens of bogus claims that you can't even support, that I end up dominating in about 10 minutes.
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2/24/2012 8:57:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:50:37 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Starcraftzzz,


I once again refer you to this:

And I refer you to 2nd grade so you can get a basic education.
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2/24/2012 8:58:01 PM
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At 2/24/2012 8:56:41 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:48:40 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

I normally don't do that. But, Starcraftzz literally just makes obviously wrong claims about government regulation lowering costs and links to like 20 articles from left wing think tanks.

There is no point in responding to that nonsense, so I might as well have a little fun.

There is No point in responding because every time you do you get owned and post pure ignorance. You make dozens of bogus claims that you can't even support, that I end up dominating in about 10 minutes.

You keep telling yourself that.

Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.
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2/24/2012 9:07:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 8:58:01 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:56:41 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 2/24/2012 8:48:40 PM, jimtimmy wrote:

I normally don't do that. But, Starcraftzz literally just makes obviously wrong claims about government regulation lowering costs and links to like 20 articles from left wing think tanks.

There is no point in responding to that nonsense, so I might as well have a little fun.

There is No point in responding because every time you do you get owned and post pure ignorance. You make dozens of bogus claims that you can't even support, that I end up dominating in about 10 minutes.

You keep telling yourself that.

Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.
What is ignorant is that you always tell us that regulations are bad yet you are unable to name even one.
Just take a look at your inability to even make an intelligent statement its very telling of how crappy our education system is, or maybe how dumb you are
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2/24/2012 10:12:16 PM
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Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.

You were a liberal at one point?
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2/24/2012 10:17:13 PM
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At 2/24/2012 10:12:16 PM, Contra wrote:
Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.

You were a liberal at one point?

Wouldn't doubt it. Jimtimmy went from anarcho-capitalism to a neo-conservative.
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2/24/2012 10:52:49 PM
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2/24/2012 11:22:41 PM
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At 2/24/2012 10:12:16 PM, Contra wrote:
Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.

You were a liberal at one point?

Yes. And, not just that. I was even a socialist for a while.
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2/24/2012 11:24:50 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:22:41 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 10:12:16 PM, Contra wrote:
Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.

You were a liberal at one point?

Yes. And, not just that. I was even a socialist for a while.

So now you just need to be a fascist and you'll cross all the paths (Note: I refer to fascism as left-leaning and authoritarian).
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2/24/2012 11:25:57 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:24:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:22:41 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 10:12:16 PM, Contra wrote:
Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.

You were a liberal at one point?

Yes. And, not just that. I was even a socialist for a while.

So now you just need to be a fascist and you'll cross all the paths (Note: I refer to fascism as left-leaning and authoritarian).

What would right -leaning authoritarian be?
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2/24/2012 11:26:29 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:25:57 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:24:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:22:41 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 10:12:16 PM, Contra wrote:
Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.

You were a liberal at one point?

Yes. And, not just that. I was even a socialist for a while.

So now you just need to be a fascist and you'll cross all the paths (Note: I refer to fascism as left-leaning and authoritarian).

What would right -leaning authoritarian be?

Conservative.
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2/24/2012 11:27:07 PM
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Ill bet $100 Jimtimmy hates Obama mostly cause hes black....
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2/24/2012 11:28:53 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:27:07 PM, imabench wrote:
Ill bet $100 Jimtimmy hates Obama mostly cause hes black....

No way, Thomas Sowell is his favorite economist...
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2/24/2012 11:29:07 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:27:07 PM, imabench wrote:
Ill bet $100 Jimtimmy hates Obama mostly cause hes black....

Not at all. In fact, I supported Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in 2008. Of course, I had come to support Mccain by the time the election came around.

I hate Obama because I think he is a weak leader with no understanding of economics.
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2/24/2012 11:32:01 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:24:50 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:22:41 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 10:12:16 PM, Contra wrote:
Ah, how I miss the ignorant state that is liberalism.

You were a liberal at one point?

Yes. And, not just that. I was even a socialist for a while.

So now you just need to be a fascist and you'll cross all the paths (Note: I refer to fascism as left-leaning and authoritarian).

Lol, too late. I was never a declared fascist. But, back when I was a conservative before I was anarchist, I was very sympathetic to fascist and ultra nationalist ideas. In fact, I was for a dictatorial leader who had a more market oriented economic policies but strong social controls.

So, I may have crossed all paths.
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2/24/2012 11:32:37 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:29:07 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:27:07 PM, imabench wrote:
Ill bet $100 Jimtimmy hates Obama mostly cause hes black....

Not at all. In fact, I supported Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in 2008. Of course, I had come to support Mccain by the time the election came around.


I hate Obama because I think he is a weak leader with no understanding of economics.

Hillary > Obama

Why?

Easier job for old MC.
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2/24/2012 11:34:13 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:32:37 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:29:07 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:27:07 PM, imabench wrote:
Ill bet $100 Jimtimmy hates Obama mostly cause hes black....

Not at all. In fact, I supported Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in 2008. Of course, I had come to support Mccain by the time the election came around.


I hate Obama because I think he is a weak leader with no understanding of economics.

Hillary > Obama

Why?

Easier job for old MC.

I was a liberal back then. I like Obama because he was more liberal and, I thought, a better candidate and president.

I switched during the general election.
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2/24/2012 11:41:17 PM
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When I was a socialist, I thought that workers were exploited by businessmen and investors.

More importantly, I saw the state as representing the collective. And, I thought that state ownership of the means of production would lead to a much more equal distribution of wealth that would benefit everyone.

I did not understand economic calculaton, incentives, the price system, competition, economies of scale, or anything having to do with economics.

Over time, I had more and more trouble simply dismissing all of the failing socialist countries and experiments as simply "not true socialism". I began to understand basic economics and basic history.

So, I switched from a socialist to a liberal Democrat. I didn't last there long because liberalism really was just moderate socialism, as far as I was concerned. So, I became a moderate who supported Mccain.

After this, I became a neo conservative and then an anarchist. Then, I became an anarcho capitalist. Now, I am basically a conservative. I wouldn't call myself a neo conservartive though, because I am still opposed to virtually all state intervention in the economy.
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2/24/2012 11:42:48 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:34:13 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:32:37 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:29:07 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:27:07 PM, imabench wrote:
Ill bet $100 Jimtimmy hates Obama mostly cause hes black....

Not at all. In fact, I supported Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in 2008. Of course, I had come to support Mccain by the time the election came around.


I hate Obama because I think he is a weak leader with no understanding of economics.

Hillary > Obama

Why?

Easier job for old MC.


I was a liberal back then. I like Obama because he was more liberal and, I thought, a better candidate and president.

I switched during the general election.

Oh, I thought it was because you were worried about the horrors of a woman running the country, so you took the lesser of two evils, and supported a black man.
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2/24/2012 11:44:55 PM
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At 2/24/2012 11:42:48 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:34:13 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:32:37 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:29:07 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:27:07 PM, imabench wrote:
Ill bet $100 Jimtimmy hates Obama mostly cause hes black....

Not at all. In fact, I supported Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in 2008. Of course, I had come to support Mccain by the time the election came around.


I hate Obama because I think he is a weak leader with no understanding of economics.

Hillary > Obama

Why?

Easier job for old MC.


I was a liberal back then. I like Obama because he was more liberal and, I thought, a better candidate and president.

I switched during the general election.

Oh, I thought it was because you were worried about the horrors of a woman running the country, so you took the lesser of two evils, and supported a black man.

I would have no trouble voting for a black man. I would have, for instance, supported Herman Cain over any white Democrat.

I am not a racist. I never was. I simply think Obama is a bad president.
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2/24/2012 11:46:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/24/2012 11:44:55 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:42:48 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:34:13 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:32:37 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:29:07 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 2/24/2012 11:27:07 PM, imabench wrote:
Ill bet $100 Jimtimmy hates Obama mostly cause hes black....

Not at all. In fact, I supported Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in 2008. Of course, I had come to support Mccain by the time the election came around.


I hate Obama because I think he is a weak leader with no understanding of economics.

Hillary > Obama

Why?

Easier job for old MC.


I was a liberal back then. I like Obama because he was more liberal and, I thought, a better candidate and president.

I switched during the general election.

Oh, I thought it was because you were worried about the horrors of a woman running the country, so you took the lesser of two evils, and supported a black man.


I would have no trouble voting for a black man. I would have, for instance, supported Herman Cain over any white Democrat.

I am not a racist. I never was. I simply think Obama is a bad president.

It was a joke....
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2/24/2012 11:47:19 PM
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Do you ever actually give him a chance to do anything or are you one of those standard issue haters who never give people any credit for anything or even a chance to do something or a chance to prove themselves?
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