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imabench
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3/5/2012 10:19:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
1) All plans must be at least open to both conservative and liberal ideas
2) All plans must beforehand be simple enough for anybody to understand
3) Anyone who does not agree with the first two should be thrown out of the room
4) All plans must plan on not excessively curb workers rights for the sake of the economy
5) All plans must plan on not excessively curb environmental protection for the sake of the economy
6) All plans that require the repeal of Obamacare should plan on coming up with an adequate system to replace it with
7) All plans must ponder deeply using controversial tools to fix the economy since some tools, such as minimum wage, do not definitively improve the economy and can even hurt it.
8) All plans designed to affect the most powerful country in the world cannot come from a person on a website who isnt even allowed to drive a car alone legally
9) Anyone who protests number 8 is probably somebody who isnt allowed to drive a car alone legally
10) All plans must plan on having exactly 10 points

OK Ive had my fun with this ;D
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3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:19:16 PM, imabench wrote:
1) All plans must be at least open to both conservative and liberal ideas

Check. My plan was open to both. It was just that one side was right on a lot more things.

2) All plans must beforehand be simple enough for anybody to understand

Check. My plan is simple enough.

3) Anyone who does not agree with the first two should be thrown out of the room

Agreed.

4) All plans must plan on not excessively curb workers rights for the sake of the economy

Agreed. I believe that a worker has the "right" to keep more of their money, decide whether or not they want to join a union, and not have to deal with high prices because of liberal environmental regulations.

So, yes, let us put workers rights above the union bosses.

5) All plans must plan on not excessively curb environmental protection for the sake of the economy

How about this?

We focus on protecting property and economic growth so we can have more efficient and green technologies and people will protect their own property.

Job killing environmental regulations don't help anyone.

6) All plans that require the repeal of Obamacare should plan on coming up with an adequate system to replace it with

Check. Consumer driven model.

7) All plans must ponder deeply using controversial tools to fix the economy since some tools, such as minimum wage, do not definitively improve the economy and can even hurt it.

How about free people on a free market?

8) All plans designed to affect the most powerful country in the world cannot come from a person on a website who isnt even allowed to drive a car alone legally

Check. I can drive legally alone.

9) Anyone who protests number 8 is probably somebody who isnt allowed to drive a car alone legally

Again, I can drive legally alone.

10) All plans must plan on having exactly 10 points

Check.

My plan passes.


OK Ive had my fun with this ;D
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3/5/2012 10:26:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:19:16 PM, imabench wrote:

7) All plans must ponder deeply using controversial tools to fix the economy since some tools, such as minimum wage, do not definitively improve the economy and can even hurt it.

Well yes, it does. mandating a higher wage means higher costs to business therefore they cut jobs to keep up with the added wages.
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3/5/2012 10:37:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Agreed. I believe that a worker has the "right" to keep more of their money, decide whether or not they want to join a union, and not have to deal with high prices because of liberal environmental regulations.
Really? So you think CEO's should make less money given that workers are the ones who produce everything.?
Name one environmental regulation in the use that results in "high prices"

At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
So, yes, let us put workers rights above the union bosses.
Considered union bosses fight for better, safer working conditions and better pay for workers your statement is contradictory

At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Job killing environmental regulations don't help anyone.
Name one
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3/5/2012 10:41:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:37:56 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Agreed. I believe that a worker has the "right" to keep more of their money, decide whether or not they want to join a union, and not have to deal with high prices because of liberal environmental regulations.
Really? So you think CEO's should make less money given that workers are the ones who produce everything.?
Name one environmental regulation in the use that results in "high prices"

At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
So, yes, let us put workers rights above the union bosses.
Considered union bosses fight for better, safer working conditions and better pay for workers your statement is contradictory


At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Job killing environmental regulations don't help anyone.
Name one

ok ok ok listen up you three, there are better ways to helping, not fixing just helping, the economy without throwing everything you dont like under the bus. Just try to take it one at a time dont try to overkill it all in the name of economic improvement.
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3/5/2012 10:48:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:37:56 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Agreed. I believe that a worker has the "right" to keep more of their money, decide whether or not they want to join a union, and not have to deal with high prices because of liberal environmental regulations.
Really? So you think CEO's should make less money given that workers are the ones who produce everything.?
Name one environmental regulation in the use that results in "high prices"

Um... the people who make everything wouldn't be making dittily squat except for the CEO! Without the person who hires them their in their house on welfare eating chips!

Almost all environmental regulations increase costs.
www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv23n1/shaw.pdf


At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
So, yes, let us put workers rights above the union bosses.
Considered union bosses fight for better, safer working conditions and better pay for workers your statement is contradictory


At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Job killing environmental regulations don't help anyone.
Name one

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3/5/2012 10:57:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:48:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Um... the people who make everything wouldn't be making dittily squat except for the CEO! Without the person who hires them their in their house on welfare eating chips!

CEO's dont hie each and every person, they hire people to do that for them. CEO's can also drive companies to the ground, and the welfare comment seems a tad stereotypical

Almost all environmental regulations increase costs.
www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv23n1/shaw.pdf

They dont exist to bring down costs they exist to protect the environment though.

Why is it that conservatives are so quick to through the environment into the guillotine if it means a tad more economic growth?
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

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3/5/2012 10:58:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:48:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:37:56 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Agreed. I believe that a worker has the "right" to keep more of their money, decide whether or not they want to join a union, and not have to deal with high prices because of liberal environmental regulations.
Really? So you think CEO's should make less money given that workers are the ones who produce everything.?
Name one environmental regulation in the use that results in "high prices"

Um... the people who make everything wouldn't be making dittily squat except for the CEO! Without the person who hires them their in their house on welfare eating chips!
LOL so according to you people who produce the cars dont contribute to the economy

At 3/5/2012 10:48:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Almost all environmental regulations increase costs.
www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv23n1/shaw.pdf
Notice how your source doesn't include the benefits of those regulations meaning your source is being dishonest and cherry picking.
When you include all the data regulations save the economy billions and billions of dollars
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http://mainstreetalliance.org...
http://www.grist.org...
http://www.whitehouse.gov...

At 3/5/2012 10:48:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
So, yes, let us put workers rights above the union bosses.
Considered union bosses fight for better, safer working conditions and better pay for workers your statement is contradictory

At 3/5/2012 10:48:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:24:21 PM, jimtimmy wrote:
Job killing environmental regulations don't help anyone.
Name one

http://www.cato.org...
Notice how your source doesn't include the benefits of the regulations, meaning your source is only sourced by people who do not think.
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3/5/2012 11:01:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:57:10 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:48:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Um... the people who make everything wouldn't be making dittily squat except for the CEO! Without the person who hires them their in their house on welfare eating chips!

CEO's dont hie each and every person, they hire people to do that for them. CEO's can also drive companies to the ground, and the welfare comment seems a tad stereotypical

You claim CEOs are bad? And fail? Contrary no CEO = no buisness. CEOs are essential to the company and they are the ones who let these lower end producers, produce. Welfare comment stereotypical?


Almost all environmental regulations increase costs.
www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv23n1/shaw.pdf

They dont exist to bring down costs they exist to protect the environment though.

Why is it that conservatives are so quick to through the environment into the guillotine if it means a tad more economic growth?

Better economy lower prices > trees. Also self regulation would help as if they pissed off people and people said "we aint buying this! It killed a seal!" they would stop killing seals for money, no added cost or poor economy.
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3/5/2012 11:05:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 11:01:53 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:57:10 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:48:18 PM, 16kadams wrote:
Um... the people who make everything wouldn't be making dittily squat except for the CEO! Without the person who hires them their in their house on welfare eating chips!

CEO's dont hie each and every person, they hire people to do that for them. CEO's can also drive companies to the ground, and the welfare comment seems a tad stereotypical

You claim CEOs are bad? And fail? Contrary no CEO = no buisness. CEOs are essential to the company and they are the ones who let these lower end producers, produce. Welfare comment stereotypical?
PLz learn to read. All CEO's ultimately get all their salary from proceed of their workers, CEO's do not producer anything
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3/5/2012 11:10:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
you know what im going to go ahead and let jimtimmy and 16kadams argue with starcraftzzz and leave them with a riddle.....

2 of you are retarded, the other is completely hostile and idiotic to anything contrary to their political philosophies.....

Ill let you all figure out who is who

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3/6/2012 8:40:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 11:10:38 PM, imabench wrote:
you know what im going to go ahead and let jimtimmy and 16kadams argue with starcraftzzz and leave them with a riddle.....

2 of you are retarded, the other is completely hostile and idiotic to anything contrary to their political philosophies.....

Ill let you all figure out who is who

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Well, Imabench is retarded, so that knocks out one.
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3/6/2012 9:54:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 8:40:27 AM, jimtimmy wrote:
At 3/5/2012 11:10:38 PM, imabench wrote:
you know what im going to go ahead and let jimtimmy and 16kadams argue with starcraftzzz and leave them with a riddle.....

2 of you are retarded, the other is completely hostile and idiotic to anything contrary to their political philosophies.....

Ill let you all figure out who is who

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Well, Imabench is retarded, so that knocks out one.

Well jimtimmy has a bad stutter, OCD, and admits to being a nervous, weird, scrawny, curlyhaired, unathletic, short, stuttering kid in high school...... So guess which one of the above you are d*ck hole
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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