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Lordknukle
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3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

1. Cut down Social Security progressively. All the seniors who are currently retired can keep their benefits until they die. All the people who have payed into the system but are not yet retired get the amount of money back that they payed into the system via a capital sum that they can spend on whatever they want.

2. Eliminate the payroll tax by 10% every year to cover for the current retirees and the capital sum outlays.

3. Implement a 10% flat tax for all tax brackets.

4. Eliminate Obamacare and replace with privatized healthcare.

5. Repeal regulatory acts such as Dodd-Frank.

6. Eliminate all welfare programs and instead replace it with a 50% maximum of allowance negative income tax.

7. Eliminate Estate Tax.

8. Cut federal spending to 15% of GDP.

9. Eliminate Medicare and Medicaid.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.
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3/6/2012 10:53:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
good god you want to cut all these taxes but you barely touch spending!
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3/6/2012 10:59:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 10:53:04 AM, imabench wrote:
good god you want to cut all these taxes but you barely touch spending!

Oh yes.... except social security, Obamacare, Medicaid, and Medicare.
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3/6/2012 11:28:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.

These kinds of things annoy me; when people add to their "important" policies the kind of things that every mainstream party pushes for: the only difference being some want to let the "aliens" who make the country money stay. It's a strange thing to add to something "important".
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3/6/2012 12:00:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 11:28:11 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.

These kinds of things annoy me; when people add to their "important" policies the kind of things that every mainstream party pushes for: the only difference being some want to let the "aliens" who make the country money stay. It's a strange thing to add to something "important".

Illegal aliens leach of off the resources of the country, not to mention that their children become citizens.
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3/6/2012 12:49:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 12:00:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 11:28:11 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.

These kinds of things annoy me; when people add to their "important" policies the kind of things that every mainstream party pushes for: the only difference being some want to let the "aliens" who make the country money stay. It's a strange thing to add to something "important".

Illegal aliens leach of off the resources of the country, not to mention that their children become citizens.

With an aging population and worry about social security, shouldn't an increase in young citizens be a good thing?
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3/6/2012 12:50:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 12:49:59 PM, Mimshot wrote:
At 3/6/2012 12:00:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 11:28:11 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.

These kinds of things annoy me; when people add to their "important" policies the kind of things that every mainstream party pushes for: the only difference being some want to let the "aliens" who make the country money stay. It's a strange thing to add to something "important".

Illegal aliens leach of off the resources of the country, not to mention that their children become citizens.

With an aging population and worry about social security, shouldn't an increase in young citizens be a good thing?

That's assuming that you would want social security to stay.

Refer to Point #1.
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3/6/2012 1:26:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 12:50:36 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 12:49:59 PM, Mimshot wrote:
At 3/6/2012 12:00:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 11:28:11 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.

These kinds of things annoy me; when people add to their "important" policies the kind of things that every mainstream party pushes for: the only difference being some want to let the "aliens" who make the country money stay. It's a strange thing to add to something "important".

Illegal aliens leach of off the resources of the country, not to mention that their children become citizens.

With an aging population and worry about social security, shouldn't an increase in young citizens be a good thing?

That's assuming that you would want social security to stay.

Refer to Point #1.

Dependency ratio is a problem even without social security.
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3/6/2012 6:27:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 12:00:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 11:28:11 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.

These kinds of things annoy me; when people add to their "important" policies the kind of things that every mainstream party pushes for: the only difference being some want to let the "aliens" who make the country money stay. It's a strange thing to add to something "important".

Illegal aliens leach of off the resources of the country, not to mention that their children become citizens.

Actually no illegals pay more in taxes then they get in benefits.
http://www.reason.org...

Illegal immigrants also are shown to reduce an areas level of poverty
http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Illegals also push up home prices
http://thinkprogress.org...

They also add trillions of dollars to our economy.
http://thinkprogress.org...

It would also take 300billion dollars to deport 10million immigrants
http://www.americanprogress.org...
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3/6/2012 6:33:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

1. Cut down Social Security progressively. All the seniors who are currently retired can keep their benefits until they die. All the people who have payed into the system but are not yet retired get the amount of money back that they payed into the system via a capital sum that they can spend on whatever they want.
This would result in people having 25% less for their retirement. So i ask how does making people poorer help?


3. Implement a 10% flat tax for all tax brackets.
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
4. Eliminate Obamacare and replace with privatized healthcare.
Considering that 1) Government health care (VA medicare) cost less and provide more better quality health care your plan is stupid
an 2) that half of Obamacare is private health care which is set up in a competition exchange program your idea shows that you don't know anything about Obamacare,
and 3) that ObamaCare slashing wasteful spending and overall is predicted to reduce total health care spending Id say your idea is stupid.

At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
5. Repeal regulatory acts such as Dodd-Frank.
So why do you think that banking fraud is a good thing?
Why do you think the housing bubble and the following crises was good for the economy?
Do you even have any clue as to what Dodd-Frank does?

At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
6. Eliminate all welfare programs and instead replace it with a 50% maximum of allowance negative income tax.
Hm I actually like this idea
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
7. Eliminate Estate Tax.
So how is making it so children with rich parents never have to work good for the economy?

At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
8. Cut federal spending to 15% of GDP.
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
9. Eliminate Medicare and Medicaid.
ROTFL do you not even realize that Medicare is a government health care program? Because you already said in an earlier pointd privatize all healthcare
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3/6/2012 7:13:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Starcraft, what is your criteria for whether or not you believe the conclusions of a study?

Does it have to fit with your preconceived notions? Do you consider the source? Do you actually look at the data and methodology?

What would you do if the same source provided two conflicting studies?
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3/6/2012 7:19:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 7:13:24 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Starcraft, what is your criteria for whether or not you believe the conclusions of a study?

Does it have to fit with your preconceived notions? Do you consider the source? Do you actually look at the data and methodology?

What would you do if the same source provided two conflicting studies?
1) It has to be logically valid
2) It has to use real data
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3/6/2012 7:22:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 7:19:36 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 3/6/2012 7:13:24 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Starcraft, what is your criteria for whether or not you believe the conclusions of a study?

Does it have to fit with your preconceived notions? Do you consider the source? Do you actually look at the data and methodology?

What would you do if the same source provided two conflicting studies?
1) It has to be logically valid
2) It has to use real data

1 - It has to agree with your 'logic'.
2 - Its data has to agree with your opinion.

We clearly saw your bias toward information in the global warming thread when I presented satellite temperatures to you.
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3/6/2012 7:25:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
4. Eliminate Obamacare and replace with privatized healthcare.

5. Repeal regulatory acts such as Dodd-Frank.


4) Nothing like tens of billions or more to cover everybody instead of a Single-Payer system where all are covered at a lower price than we currently pay.

5) I didn't think you supported predatory loaning practices.
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3/6/2012 7:41:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 6:27:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 3/6/2012 12:00:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 11:28:11 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.

These kinds of things annoy me; when people add to their "important" policies the kind of things that every mainstream party pushes for: the only difference being some want to let the "aliens" who make the country money stay. It's a strange thing to add to something "important".

Illegal aliens leach of off the resources of the country, not to mention that their children become citizens.

Actually no illegals pay more in taxes then they get in benefits.
http://www.reason.org...

Nope. That article shows that high skills legal immigrants are good for the economy. Nothing about illegals.

Illegal immigrants also are shown to reduce an areas level of poverty
http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Same thing. Linking stuff doesn't make it correct.

Illegals also push up home prices
http://thinkprogress.org...

Yes. That is bad. High prices=bad for economy (without inflation). I know it's hard for you to comprehend, but that's true.

They also add trillions of dollars to our economy.
http://thinkprogress.org...

That shows that its not the illegal immigrants themselves that drive it up, but legalization of them instead.

Anyways, it's from Thinkprogress. Nothing from that website can be taken seriously.

It would also take 300billion dollars to deport 10million immigrants
http://www.americanprogress.org...

Control+F "300"

Nothing.
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3/6/2012 7:44:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 7:25:35 PM, Contra wrote:
4. Eliminate Obamacare and replace with privatized healthcare.

5. Repeal regulatory acts such as Dodd-Frank.


4) Nothing like tens of billions or more to cover everybody instead of a Single-Payer system where all are covered at a lower price than we currently pay.

A socialist healthcare system drives up costs, decreases quality, stagnates competition, and reduces incentives.

5) I didn't think you supported predatory loaning practices.

I agree that fraud needs to be prevented, but that is not what the real main function of Dodd-Frank is.

Instead, they presuppose that all monetary problems are caused by greed and they regulate the free market much more beyond fraud.
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3/6/2012 7:54:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 7:41:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 6:27:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
At 3/6/2012 12:00:07 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 11:28:11 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/6/2012 10:46:55 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
Since this is the new hip thing of the month, I guess I'll make one also.

10. Deport ALL illegal aliens.

These kinds of things annoy me; when people add to their "important" policies the kind of things that every mainstream party pushes for: the only difference being some want to let the "aliens" who make the country money stay. It's a strange thing to add to something "important".

Illegal aliens leach of off the resources of the country, not to mention that their children become citizens.
Actually no illegals pay more in taxes then they get in benefits.
http://www.reason.org...
Nope. That article shows that high skills legal immigrants are good for the economy. Nothing about illegals.
Apparently you cannot read.
"A stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes."
"8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes"
"all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes [property and exercise taxes]"
National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average more to federal coffers than they consume."

At 3/6/2012 7:41:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 6:27:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
Illegal immigrants also are shown to reduce an areas level of poverty
http://www.washingtonpost.com...

Same thing. Linking stuff doesn't make it correct
You can ignore reality all you want

At 3/6/2012 7:41:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 6:27:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
Illegals also push up home prices
http://thinkprogress.org...
Yes. That is bad. High prices=bad for economy (without inflation). I know it's hard for you to comprehend, but that's true.
I see so according to you the housing slump is helping the economy.
Do you ever think before you post?

At 3/6/2012 7:41:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 6:27:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
They also add trillions of dollars to our economy.
http://thinkprogress.org...

That shows that its not the illegal immigrants themselves that drive it up, but legalization of them instead.
Now it shows that illegals ad trillions to the economy and that legalizing them would further add trillions.

At 3/6/2012 7:41:32 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 6:27:15 PM, Starcraftzzz wrote:
It would also take 300billion dollars to deport 10million immigrants
http://www.americanprogress.org...
Control+F "300"
Nothing.
So why do you think spending 300billion to shrink the economy as a good thing?
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3/6/2012 7:56:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Starcraft, I cannot wait for your trial.
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3/6/2012 7:58:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 7:56:24 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Starcraft, I cannot wait for your trial.




No. When he starts cursing, then we can consider a trial. Simply being rude isn't enough to ban someone.
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3/6/2012 7:59:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 7:44:30 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 3/6/2012 7:25:35 PM, Contra wrote:
4. Eliminate Obamacare and replace with privatized healthcare.

5. Repeal regulatory acts such as Dodd-Frank.


4) Nothing like tens of billions or more to cover everybody instead of a Single-Payer system where all are covered at a lower price than we currently pay.

A socialist healthcare system drives up costs, decreases quality, stagnates competition, and reduces incentives.
Like always reality disagrees with you
http://thinkprogress.org...
http://thinkprogress.org...
^3 studies show VA has better care than private hospitals, and costs less even though it treats older, sicker patients.
^VA health care delivers about 30% better quality care than private health care.
^VA Costs 40% less than private health care.

http://crooksandliars.com...
^Government health centers cost 41% less than private hospitals.

http://angrybear.blogspot.com...
==Public spending is 1:.71 more efficient in health outcomes then private spending.

http://www.dailykos.com...
^Nevada's government employee's public option cost 24% less than private insurance.

http://www.cms.hhs.gov...
==Medicare costs per beneficiary since 1970 have been 1.1% less than the private market.
==If the private markets cost inflation equaled that of Medicare private insurance would cost 44% less than it does today.

http://prorev.com...
===People who've had private and Medicare health insurance find Medicare to be better.
=Mediare has better health outcomes and provides more service then private health care

http://assets.opencrs.com...
1) USA spends 150% more than the OCED average.
2) OCED has 33% more patients
3) OCED has 71% more doctor visits
4) OCED has 25% more doctors
5 OCED has 46% more hospital beds
6) OCED has 75% less deaths due to medical errors

http://www.commonwealthfund.org...
http://www.who.int...
http://assets.opencrs.com...
http://www.oecd.org...
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Where America is worse.
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less

http://www.reuters.com...
^United states is ranked last on health care outcomes among 16 nations.

America spends 3.08 times more on health care per capita. Individual countries.
1) Canada gets 30% more medical service for every dollar it spends than America does.
http://www.openmedicine.ca...
Canada overall has higher survival rates in the medical field and better care.
3) American has the longest wait times. Canada has the 2nd longest yet their median wait times for elective surgeries were half that of Americans.

At 3/6/2012 7:44:30 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
5) I didn't think you supported predatory loaning practices.

I agree that fraud needs to be prevented, but that is not what the real main function of Dodd-Frank is.

Instead, they presuppose that all monetary problems are caused by greed and they regulate the free market much more beyond fraud.
Already so even according to you parts of Dodd-Frank would be beneficial and good for the economy.
Now tell us which parts you think would be bad for the economy. (Given that you know nothing about Dodd-Frank you could either go to google, or stop posting to save face for your ignorance)
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3/6/2012 8:00:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/6/2012 7:58:09 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/6/2012 7:56:24 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Starcraft, I cannot wait for your trial.




No. When he starts cursing, then we can consider a trial. Simply being rude isn't enough to ban someone.

Lol. He has already done that.

"You republicans are fvcktarded."
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