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Iraq War: We Won!

Zetsubou
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3/21/2012 4:26:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm actually shocked. I thought ql-Qaeda would beat the USA and the puppet government but it didn't. They're stable and standing.

- Annihilated the Iraqi Ba'ath Party as a force
- Ba'ath leaders executed or reformed
- al-Qaeda and the Islamists subjugated
- Iranian and Turkish regional interests prevented
- Shi'ites and Sunni communities aren't at war
- Kurds gained devolved autonomy
- Stable puppet government placed

All objectives met.

Since withdrawal insurgency has killed 1,200 people, that would approximately add up to 4,800 for this year which is less than most ongoing conflicts (Columbian Civil War, Mexican Drug War, Yemeni Civil War, Syrian Civil War, Sudanese Nomadic and Tribal conflicts, Lord's Resistance Army insurgancy and Naxalite Red Corridor in India).

I'm so proud. :' )
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3/21/2012 4:27:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yeah, shocker that we beat Al-Qaeda butt....
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3/21/2012 4:51:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:43:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Yes, only the 9th most unstable country in the world. We did it!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org...

the numbers show it getting better
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3/21/2012 4:55:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:51:12 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:43:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Yes, only the 9th most unstable country in the world. We did it!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org...

the numbers show it getting better

No its not. Last year it was 11th. Now its 9th.
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3/21/2012 4:56:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:56:03 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
How do you get an emoticon next to your name?

innomen gives us the power
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3/21/2012 4:57:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:55:39 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:51:12 PM, 16kadams wrote:
At 3/21/2012 4:43:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Yes, only the 9th most unstable country in the world. We did it!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org...

the numbers show it getting better

No its not. Last year it was 11th. Now its 9th.

the source said it got better
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3/21/2012 4:59:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:56:03 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
How do you get an emoticon next to your name?

Ok, when you choose to post something, look above the reply bar, and above the Top.

It should look like this:

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So, click on the Emoticon thing "Select", and there ya go.
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3/21/2012 5:02:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
We're good at killing people for our own selfish desires, REJOICE! @.@

my brother was in iraq for about a year for the marines. he doesn't really talk about what happened there but he acts as if it was like a vacation...
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3/21/2012 5:03:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 5:02:05 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
We're good at killing people for our own selfish desires, REJOICE! @.@


my brother was in iraq for about a year for the marines. he doesn't really talk about what happened there but he acts as if it was like a vacation...

Later on, like a year or two in, it wasn't that bad TBH......though, I doubt it was like a vacation.
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3/21/2012 5:05:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:56:03 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
How do you get an emoticon next to your name?

Idk
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3/21/2012 5:07:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 4:43:43 PM, darkkermit wrote:
Yes, only the 9th most unstable country in the world. We did it!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Subjective table is subjective, man.

Iraq will build up now under an American aligned puppet government. Iraq could have been lower on the list, on 40 or something, but it still be bombing Kurds and using chemical weapons on civilians. This ending is preferable.
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3/21/2012 5:13:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 5:02:05 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
We're good at killing people for our own selfish desires, REJOICE! @.@
We got rid of a monster we should have killed 20 years ago then spent half a decade preventing a terrorist theocracy from spawning. Civilians died but the ends justified the means.


my brother was in iraq for about a year for the marines. he doesn't really talk about what happened there but he acts as if it was like a vacation...
Iraq is less of a threat to the world and the minorities within it. The quality of life may have dropped but if that means we prevented innocents and children from dying slow painful deaths from sarin or VX nerve gas for decades to come I say it was worth it.
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3/21/2012 5:19:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 5:13:58 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 3/21/2012 5:02:05 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
We're good at killing people for our own selfish desires, REJOICE! @.@
We got rid of a monster we should have killed 20 years ago then spent half a decade preventing a terrorist theocracy from spawning. Civilians died but the ends justified the means.

Coolstorybro, replace a democratically elected, but immoral government with a dubiously moral undemocratic government, while waiting ten years for the situation to get worse and pull out a stop loss OR remove an immoral democratic government then get a democratic government and run like hell away from the devastatingly complex politics and social situation OR previous + foreign aid and treaties to mould a country slowly to democracy, so it doesn't hate you.

my brother was in iraq for about a year for the marines. he doesn't really talk about what happened there but he acts as if it was like a vacation...
Iraq is less of a threat to the world and the minorities within it. The quality of life may have dropped but if that means we prevented innocents and children from dying slow painful deaths from sarin or VX nerve gas for decades to come I say it was worth it.

There has been 3-5 years of staying in a country which would have done just as well with us not there with soldiers, while other countries doing so many times worse.
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3/21/2012 5:21:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 5:13:58 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 3/21/2012 5:02:05 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
We're good at killing people for our own selfish desires, REJOICE! @.@
We got rid of a monster we should have killed 20 years ago then spent half a decade preventing a terrorist theocracy from spawning. Civilians died but the ends justified the means.

And in 1963 we also decided to fund him as well.



my brother was in iraq for about a year for the marines. he doesn't really talk about what happened there but he acts as if it was like a vacation...
Iraq is less of a threat to the world and the minorities within it. The quality of life may have dropped but if that means we prevented innocents and children from dying slow painful deaths from sarin or VX nerve gas for decades to come I say it was worth it.

Quality of life is actually improving since there is no US-economic blockade that caused the deaths of thousands of Iraqis from starvation and lack of medical supplies.

But yest, dying from insurgency is the better option.
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3/21/2012 5:25:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 5:13:58 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 3/21/2012 5:02:05 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
We're good at killing people for our own selfish desires, REJOICE! @.@
We got rid of a monster we should have killed 20 years ago then spent half a decade preventing a terrorist theocracy from spawning. Civilians died but the ends justified the means.:

Naw, we trained and equipped that monster to later kill us... Longest war in US history.

Iraq is less of a threat to the world and the minorities within it. The quality of life may have dropped but if that means we prevented innocents and children from dying slow painful deaths from sarin or VX nerve gas for decades to come I say it was worth it.:

With that rationale, the US should engage 50% of all nations. Why is it the role of the United States to police the rest of the world?
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3/21/2012 5:28:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
As we can see, the Iraqi's are clearly better off.

Got a break a few [tens of thousands of] eggs to make an omelette. ^_^

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3/21/2012 5:41:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 5:19:23 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 3/21/2012 5:13:58 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 3/21/2012 5:02:05 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
We're good at killing people for our own selfish desires, REJOICE! @.@
We got rid of a monster we should have killed 20 years ago then spent half a decade preventing a terrorist theocracy from spawning. Civilians died but the ends justified the means.

Coolstorybro, replace a democratically elected, but immoral government with a dubiously moral undemocratic government, while waiting ten years for the situation to get worse and pull out a stop loss OR remove an immoral democratic government then get a democratic government and run like hell away from the devastatingly complex politics and social situation OR previous + foreign aid and treaties to mould a country slowly to democracy, so it doesn't hate you.
-- He was an enemy of western nations as they feared his WMD program
in the end he had no nuclear weapons

-- an enemy of the Kurds.
see the Al-Anfal Campaign, an act of genocide against Kurds. 182,000 people killed, half by airborne nerve agents. Thousands of villages exterminated.

-- democraticly elected
Dubious. But either way, I'm not a fan. France, USA and Britian remove democractically elected governments all the time with ease. See Haiti, a textbook success for America.

my brother was in iraq for about a year for the marines. he doesn't really talk about what happened there but he acts as if it was like a vacation...
Iraq is less of a threat to the world and the minorities within it. The quality of life may have dropped but if that means we prevented innocents and children from dying slow painful deaths from sarin or VX nerve gas for decades to come I say it was worth it.

There has been 3-5 years of staying in a country which would have done just as well with us not there with soldiers, while other countries doing so many times worse.
Just as well? That's foolish.

At 3/21/2012 5:21:53 PM, darkkermit wrote:
At 3/21/2012 5:13:58 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
We got rid of a monster we should have killed 20 years ago then spent half a decade preventing a terrorist theocracy from spawning. Civilians died but the ends justified the means.

And in 1963 we also decided to fund him as well.
The USA has more enemies that itself funded than enemies it did not.
Iraq is less of a threat to the world and the minorities within it. The quality of life may have dropped but if that means we prevented innocents and children from dying slow painful deaths from sarin or VX nerve gas for decades to come I say it was worth it.

Quality of life is actually improving since there is no US-economic blockade that caused the deaths of thousands of Iraqis from starvation and lack of medical supplies.

But yest, dying from insurgency is the better option.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

There was never a suppy blockade after 2005.
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3/21/2012 5:52:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There is NOTHING to be proud about, of the Iraq war. The level of war crimes should be enough to convince any patriot of it's injustice if they are informed.
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3/21/2012 5:54:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 5:25:06 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Iraq is less of a threat to the world and the minorities within it. The quality of life may have dropped but if that means we prevented innocents and children from dying slow painful deaths from sarin or VX nerve gas for decades to come I say it was worth it.:

With that rationale, the US should engage 50% of all nations. Why is it the role of the United States to police the rest of the world?
The only 'genocides' to pass the 200,000 mark in the last 20 years were in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Sudan, Congo and Rwanda. For the exception of Sudan, foreign countries always intervened. Ironically, I am opposed to all of those interventions except for Iraq and Congo. An aggressive war which is not irredentist must only be instigated of you country has reason to believe that the target emits significant thread to your own. Iraq was a threat to the USA for its sponsorship of terrorism and WMD facade. Congo is more complicated but it was intracontinental, no western countries intervened.

Furthermore Iraq was the most stable. The USA prefers to bomb their enemies away if the option exists, see Libya and Yugoslavia (Serbia).
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3/21/2012 5:56:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 5:28:25 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
As we can see, the Iraqi's are clearly better off.

Got a break a few [tens of thousands of] eggs to make an omelette. ^_^

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Would the numbers have been smaller under Saddam?
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3/21/2012 6:00:25 PM
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66,081 civilian deaths over 9 years is relatively nothing. Your perception of scale is really messed up.

In 1983 Saddam killed three times that number in a half of the time. Exterminating whole towns indiscriminately with neurotoxic nerve agents.

That is genocide, that is a war crime. You can't say the Iraqi people are not better off without being totally ignorant.
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3/21/2012 6:37:18 PM
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At 3/21/2012 6:00:25 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
66,081 civilian deaths over 9 years is relatively nothing. Your perception of scale is really messed up.

In 1983 Saddam killed three times that number in a half of the time. Exterminating whole towns indiscriminately with neurotoxic nerve agents.

That is genocide, that is a war crime. You can't say the Iraqi people are not better off without being totally ignorant.

I burn a dozen people alive everyday. Just two more on the side are really nothing.
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3/21/2012 6:54:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/21/2012 6:38:41 PM, FREEDO wrote:
By the way, try counting to 66,081.

why that number?
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3/21/2012 6:55:02 PM
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30th post!
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