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DanT
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3/30/2012 4:54:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This is the 3rd time I heard a Cuban immigrant compare Obama to Castro.
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3/30/2012 4:57:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Not surprising. The overwhelming majority of Cuban-Americans are staunchly conservative.
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3/30/2012 5:18:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
My 5th grade teacher was a Cuban immigrant,...same one who told me that people who don't have a religion are ignorant.

I'm not inclined to value this man's opinion. He obviously didn't spend enough time with Castro for him to make such a careless comparison....that, or he's suffering from Alzheimer's.
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3/30/2012 5:22:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 5:18:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
My 5th grade teacher was a Cuban immigrant,...same one who told me that people who don't have a religion are ignorant.

I'm not inclined to value this man's opinion. He obviously didn't spend enough time with Castro for him to make such a careless comparison....that, or he's suffering from Alzheimer's.

I bet he spent more time with Castro than you.
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3/30/2012 5:23:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 5:18:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
My 5th grade teacher was a Cuban immigrant,...same one who told me that people who don't have a religion are ignorant.:

They also tend to be Catholic.

I'm not inclined to value this man's opinion. He obviously didn't spend enough time with Castro for him to make such a careless comparison....that, or he's suffering from Alzheimer's.:

Yeah, you're right... Castro was the bees knees, which explains why thousands upon thousands fled on a perilous journey that often resulted in a slow and agonizing death.
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3/30/2012 5:27:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 5:23:43 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/30/2012 5:18:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
My 5th grade teacher was a Cuban immigrant,...same one who told me that people who don't have a religion are ignorant.:

They also tend to be Catholic.

I'm not inclined to value this man's opinion. He obviously didn't spend enough time with Castro for him to make such a careless comparison....that, or he's suffering from Alzheimer's.:

Yeah, you're right... Castro was the bees knees, which explains why thousands upon thousands fled on a perilous journey that often resulted in a slow and agonizing death.

I'm not saying Castro was great. I'm saying that the president should not be compared to an oppressive Cuban dictator.
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3/30/2012 5:28:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 5:22:34 PM, DanT wrote:
At 3/30/2012 5:18:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
My 5th grade teacher was a Cuban immigrant,...same one who told me that people who don't have a religion are ignorant.

I'm not inclined to value this man's opinion. He obviously didn't spend enough time with Castro for him to make such a careless comparison....that, or he's suffering from Alzheimer's.

I bet he spent more time with Castro than you.



Yes he has. Now which of my arguments did you disprove? Oh yeah, that's right...none.
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3/30/2012 5:32:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Yeah, you're right... Castro was the bees knees, which explains why thousands upon thousands fled on a perilous journey that often resulted in a slow and agonizing death.

I'm not saying Castro was great. I'm saying that the president should not be compared to an oppressive Cuban dictator.:

Maybe it was a comparison to economic policies..? Dunno...
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3/30/2012 5:34:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 5:28:30 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/30/2012 5:22:34 PM, DanT wrote:
At 3/30/2012 5:18:12 PM, 000ike wrote:
My 5th grade teacher was a Cuban immigrant,...same one who told me that people who don't have a religion are ignorant.

I'm not inclined to value this man's opinion. He obviously didn't spend enough time with Castro for him to make such a careless comparison....that, or he's suffering from Alzheimer's.

I bet he spent more time with Castro than you.



Yes he has. Now which of my arguments did you disprove? Oh yeah, that's right...none.

I know someone who's family were in Castro's inner circle, who fled to Florida. He says the same thing as this guy. Unfortunately I don't have it on film, but you would probably find some reason to doubt it anyhow.
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3/30/2012 5:40:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I know someone who's family were in Castro's inner circle, who fled to Florida. He says the same thing as this guy. Unfortunately I don't have it on film, but you would probably find some reason to doubt it anyhow.:

Growing up in Miami, my neighbor across the street was the son of President Batista (the guy who was overthrown by Castro in a violent coup d'etat). So, needless to say, they weren't exactly Fidel's biggest fans.

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3/30/2012 5:41:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 5:27:53 PM, 000ike wrote:
I'm saying that the president should not be compared to an oppressive Cuban dictator.

So we can't question the supreme leader? We can't compare the supreme leader to a dictator?
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3/30/2012 7:24:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'd be interested in seeing what younger generations of Cubans think about Obama.

You can kinda divide the cuban vote by who is for or against the embargo. The younger generation is overwhelmingly in favor of ending the embargo while the older generation (those who experienced Castro or their children) is overwhelmingly in favor of the embargo and any other means of subverting Castro's rule (hence, Congress panders to Cuban americans by STILL broadcasting anti-castro radio into Cuba, but the strategy backfired when the voting cubans weren't in the appropriate generation.
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3/30/2012 7:41:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 7:30:44 PM, Thaddeus wrote:
As a cuban immigrant I can tell you that I think he tastes delicious, especially with some chicken and curly fries.

I hope you had a wording error here.
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3/30/2012 8:04:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 7:24:15 PM, Wnope wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing what younger generations of Cubans think about Obama.:

I'm pretty sure it is as divided as Americans are.

You can kinda divide the cuban vote by who is for or against the embargo. The younger generation is overwhelmingly in favor of ending the embargo while the older generation (those who experienced Castro or their children) is overwhelmingly in favor of the embargo and any other means of subverting Castro's rule (hence, Congress panders to Cuban americans by STILL broadcasting anti-castro radio into Cuba, but the strategy backfired when the voting cubans weren't in the appropriate generation.:

I don't see the benefit in the embargo, even if you were a seething, foam-at-the-mouth anti-Castro advocate. All it does is hurt the Cuban people who, if they began importing American goods, might get a taste of what economic freedom and prosperity could bring and might demand a better way of life.

As it stands now, it keeps the Cubans insular and totally in the dark about what their own country's regime is really doing. Many simply accept it because they don't know any better. They're pumped propaganda on a daily basis.
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3/30/2012 8:14:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 8:04:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/30/2012 7:24:15 PM, Wnope wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing what younger generations of Cubans think about Obama.:

I'm pretty sure it is as divided as Americans are.

You can kinda divide the cuban vote by who is for or against the embargo. The younger generation is overwhelmingly in favor of ending the embargo while the older generation (those who experienced Castro or their children) is overwhelmingly in favor of the embargo and any other means of subverting Castro's rule (hence, Congress panders to Cuban americans by STILL broadcasting anti-castro radio into Cuba, but the strategy backfired when the voting cubans weren't in the appropriate generation.:

I don't see the benefit in the embargo, even if you were a seething, foam-at-the-mouth anti-Castro advocate. All it does is hurt the Cuban people who, if they began importing American goods, might get a taste of what economic freedom and prosperity could bring and might demand a better way of life.

As it stands now, it keeps the Cubans insular and totally in the dark about what their own country's regime is really doing. Many simply accept it because they don't know any better. They're pumped propaganda on a daily basis.

I fully agree.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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3/31/2012 9:07:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 8:04:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/30/2012 7:24:15 PM, Wnope wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing what younger generations of Cubans think about Obama.:

I'm pretty sure it is as divided as Americans are.

You can kinda divide the cuban vote by who is for or against the embargo. The younger generation is overwhelmingly in favor of ending the embargo while the older generation (those who experienced Castro or their children) is overwhelmingly in favor of the embargo and any other means of subverting Castro's rule (hence, Congress panders to Cuban americans by STILL broadcasting anti-castro radio into Cuba, but the strategy backfired when the voting cubans weren't in the appropriate generation.:

I don't see the benefit in the embargo, even if you were a seething, foam-at-the-mouth anti-Castro advocate. All it does is hurt the Cuban people who, if they began importing American goods, might get a taste of what economic freedom and prosperity could bring and might demand a better way of life.

As it stands now, it keeps the Cubans insular and totally in the dark about what their own country's regime is really doing. Many simply accept it because they don't know any better. They're pumped propaganda on a daily basis.

I see the benefit. We can turn a communist nation into a democracy!
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3/31/2012 9:13:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I see the benefit. We can turn a communist nation into a democracy!:

How, if you are cutting off the very means to be democratic? The very best way to expose them captialism is to trade with them. The US seems to be complicit in keeping them under the communist veil. They're helping to facilitate that. It's completely backwards.
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3/31/2012 9:57:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/31/2012 9:13:03 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
I see the benefit. We can turn a communist nation into a democracy!:

How, if you are cutting off the very means to be democratic? The very best way to expose them captialism is to trade with them. The US seems to be complicit in keeping them under the communist veil. They're helping to facilitate that. It's completely backwards.

I agree, trade with other nations will help expose them to Capitalism and Democracy, and then they will demand reform if they wish to compete better with the US. Besides, why do we really care if Cuba is Communist if they are only one of six Communist nations left?
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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3/31/2012 9:57:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/31/2012 9:57:04 AM, Contra wrote:
At 3/31/2012 9:13:03 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
I see the benefit. We can turn a communist nation into a democracy!:

How, if you are cutting off the very means to be democratic? The very best way to expose them captialism is to trade with them. The US seems to be complicit in keeping them under the communist veil. They're helping to facilitate that. It's completely backwards.

I agree, trade with other nations will help expose them to Capitalism and Democracy, and then they will demand reform if they wish to compete better with the US. Besides, why do we really care if Cuba is Communist if they are only one of five Communist nations left?

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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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3/31/2012 3:18:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/30/2012 8:04:55 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
At 3/30/2012 7:24:15 PM, Wnope wrote:
I'd be interested in seeing what younger generations of Cubans think about Obama.:

I'm pretty sure it is as divided as Americans are.

You can kinda divide the cuban vote by who is for or against the embargo. The younger generation is overwhelmingly in favor of ending the embargo while the older generation (those who experienced Castro or their children) is overwhelmingly in favor of the embargo and any other means of subverting Castro's rule (hence, Congress panders to Cuban americans by STILL broadcasting anti-castro radio into Cuba, but the strategy backfired when the voting cubans weren't in the appropriate generation.:

I don't see the benefit in the embargo, even if you were a seething, foam-at-the-mouth anti-Castro advocate. All it does is hurt the Cuban people who, if they began importing American goods, might get a taste of what economic freedom and prosperity could bring and might demand a better way of life.

As it stands now, it keeps the Cubans insular and totally in the dark about what their own country's regime is really doing. Many simply accept it because they don't know any better. They're pumped propaganda on a daily basis.

Oh, I'm thoroughly against the embargo as well.

However, a lot of older Cuban americans, when cast out, had ties to the Batista regime, meaning their land and homes were confiscated. That, combined with Castro's oppressive rule, basically has the older Cuban generation wanting to get their licks in.

Basically, older generations have a very well-justified chip on their shoulder which leads to more retributive actions than useful policy.

That's why the younger generation is less in support of the embargo: they haven't experienced Castro or his oppression first-hand.